Closet 2.0: Dialed in. Back with more PAR T5's, Sannies Genetics, Earth Juice, ++

[AltarNation]

Thanks man... yep, definitely will have results posted up here when the time comes.

Just ordered myself an air pump and stone to get my EJ bubblin'!

 

[giggles26]

No worries, we get dem good ladybugs up here. :]

Sometimes they fade to an orangey color when they're older, so i prefer other ways of identification... ladybugs have black heads and wings, while their lookalikes have orange/yellow wings and orange heads.

Haha yep that's why I said orange bastards lol.

 

[PSUAGRO.]

Depending on how "hot" your soil is....It's an easy read when the girls get hungry/ personally I wouldn't add anything until a month in, Start off small and check their signs..

You'll be amazed what aerating your water/nutes does to the girls.........be safe grower.

 

[AltarNation]

Depending on how "hot" your soil is....It's an easy read when the girls get hungry/ personally I wouldn't add anything until a month in, Start off small and check their signs..

You'll be amazed what aerating your water/nutes does to the girls.........be safe grower.

Wait... do you mean I should aerate for plain watering too?

And, well, I'm more than a month in if you count from seed. But I did intentionally enrich the bottom 1/3rd of each pot by adding extra worm castings to the mix for that part. Then I layered up to a lighter regular soil-less mix ratio.

Think I should just wait til I see some yellowing? Or would you say just go ahead and start feeding? I do intend to start at 25% strength.

 

[AltarNation]

Haha yep that's why I said orange bastards lol.

Righto, I just wanted to articulate for third parties because I keep seeing people warning against orange, but sometimes an older ladybug will start to go orange... I think it's important to note that it's the "extra parts" that are a different color.. ie, the head hood and the wings. :0] So just an orangeish but-otherwise-black ladybug, is still good, is all. haha. Wasn't correcting your really, just articulating that detail for anyone who comes across the thread.

 

[giggles26]

Righto, I just wanted to articulate for third parties because I keep seeing people warning against orange, but sometimes an older ladybug will start to go orange... I think it's important to note that it's the "extra parts" that are a different color.. ie, the head hood and the wings. :0] So just an orangeish but-otherwise-black ladybug, is still good, is all. haha. Wasn't correcting your really, just articulating that detail for anyone who comes across the thread.

Ha, yea seeing as there is a lot of misiformation on this site might as well give them the dumbed down version

 

[PSUAGRO.]

Wait... do you mean I should aerate for plain watering too?

And, well, I'm more than a month in if you count from seed. But I did intentionally enrich the bottom 1/3rd of each pot by adding extra worm castings to the mix for that part. Then I layered up to a lighter regular soil-less mix ratio.

Think I should just wait til I see some yellowing? Or would you say just go ahead and start feeding? I do intend to start at 25% strength.

Yes plain water too......the roots will love it

Always easier to fix deficiency than a toxicity/ worm castings will feed the soil for months, I wouldn't add anything other than benificial bacteria/ carb catalysts at this point.....first sign too show is always Nitrogen/ MJ is a heavy N user.....when the yellowing start at the bottom/middle of the plant you can start adding more nutes(low dose increasing slowly)

good luck

 

[polyarcturus]

Wait... do you mean I should aerate for plain watering too?

And, well, I'm more than a month in if you count from seed. But I did intentionally enrich the bottom 1/3rd of each pot by adding extra worm castings to the mix for that part. Then I layered up to a lighter regular soil-less mix ratio.

Think I should just wait til I see some yellowing? Or would you say just go ahead and start feeding? I do intend to start at 25% strength.

yeah he meant aerate the water prior to feeding. i do it too.

as for feeding i would follow psuagros plan. cause im the same way. i dont feed till i see a def, but if i do, its like you said 25%-50% for the first feeding.

my bad didnt see your post there psuagro.

 

[AltarNation]

Thanks guys, I appreciate your perspectives. I will hold off 'til I see signs of need. :0]

I did not realize there was a benefit to aerating water without nutes in it... can someone explain why that's beneficial? Isn't oxygenation established while it's flowing out of the faucet into the container?? Or does water actually oxygenate significantly more heavily if left bubblin?

 

[polyarcturus]

well i let my water sit for 24 hours prior to use but so long as you bubbliung say like for 5min before you water, this will significantly increase DO in the water.

 

[AltarNation]

well i let my water sit for 24 hours prior to use but so long as you bubbliung say like for 5min before you water, this will significantly increase DO in the water.

Gotcha... I have well water with a low ppm and no chlorine so I haven't bothered leaving water sitting before use. I'd imagine I'm oxygenating it on the way out of the tap... maybe I'll try bubbling it anyway...

 

[AltarNation]

Got the door up today. Pics later.

When I took out the plants I noticed most of them were curling downward and pretty limp... my first thought was I just waited a little too long to water, so I just got a lot of water on them now... but I am wondering now, because I've noticed there are a few places where the leaves are sort of curling around maniacally, and I have some yellowing on the tips of new growth on a couple. Just the verrrry tips of the relatively young growth... so I'm wondering what's up... I am a little worried I have too much N in my soil. I have noticed there is definitely some significant purpling going on too, including on the bottom sides of one of the ones that curled the most.

Am I looking at N overdose? Is there anything I can do to make them more happy? Obviously can't adjust the mix now. I am watering through heavily on the ones that look like they got it the worst. Only one is purpling on the leaf bottoms...

 

[PSUAGRO.]

I need pics really..............hmmmm you say new growth/ how's your RH and heat temps at the canopy????

 

[AltarNation]

My temps and humidity have been steady... I've been maintaining 50-60% humidity and 68-75 degrees temp... though humidity dipped to about 40 last night, which I corrected when I noticed.

It does seem to be effecting new growth and not the old growth, yeah. At least that's the yellow tips phenomenon. Though the one that is purpling, the purpling is mostly showing up on new growth as well. (Stems are already purple, but it's actually crawling into the leaves themselves...)

Over thanksgiving I had to leave the plants for a few days so I cracked the windows, and then it actually got pretty cold... but I came home on a cold day in the evening (20-30 degrees outside) and it was still over 50 in the room. Is it possible I cold shocked one plant that was a little more susceptible to purpling while the rest did not?

Several of the others have purpling in the stems, but I didn't think anything of it til I saw it crawl into the baby leaves on this one plant, since purpling in the stems seems pretty common in healthy plants... though, now that I think about it, when I pulled the plants out into normal-colored white light today, I did think some of them were remarkably dark green, almost to the point that I could say it looked a little odd.

I will be able to determine whether or not the drooping is a factor when I see how much they perk back up from the watering.

And yeah, I've got some pics taken, I just haven't gotten 'em off my camera yet, I'll get on that momentarily.

 

[AltarNation]

Psuagro, here's a couple shots of some yellow tips on the newer growth.

As for wilting/curling, I'm going to give them til tomorrow and see how much they perk back up from the water before freakin' out about it...

I did notice a couple of the biggest fan leaves on the Herijuana plant were straight drying out... about half brittle, but still green. This was happening to my seedlings when the humidity was absurdly low, before i added the dome... so maybe that is also just a matter of accidentlly letting it dry out a little too much... but it was weird, the crisp had only crawled about halfway up the leaf... so I can't tell if it's some sort of nutrient burn or dehydration.

I'll check them out first thing in the morning for more perspective, having watered them thoroughly this evening.

 

[AltarNation]

Okay, they recovered from the drooping, so I guess that was all the dehydration. What I'm not sure about is how some of the bottom leaves are drying out... I can't tell if they just got too dry and crisped up and now are trying to recover, or if these leaves are suffering some sort of nutrient burn or something. I'll take some pics of a couple offending leaves and post 'em up here soon.

I'm not too worried about it overall, they plants still seem very healthy overall...

I decided to make sure the door was all air-tight and light-leak-proof along the seams before posting up pics, so I've been weather stripping the doorway. I had to do the door too, because the door is not a perfect fit (my fault, didn't cut it perfectly for the shape of the doorway, which turned out to not be exactly square) and it also bows slightly due to being made of plywood. I'm working with the bow, though, and should still be ableto have it lie flat and lightproof once I get a clasp in on the other side.

 

[polyarcturus]

seems to me as if your underfeeeding and under watering, had similar probs over here recently as i got tuned in with my nutes.

the burn sounds like dehydration, the edges that are left on the leaves, look like burnt paper?(brown?)

 

[AltarNation]

seems to me as if your underfeeeding and under watering, had similar probs over here recently as i got tuned in with my nutes.

the burn sounds like dehydration, the edges that are left on the leaves, look like burnt paper?(brown?)

Yeah, sorta... I will take pics and show ya what it looks like...

I do think I underwatered last time, and I guess I waited too long to catch them up. The wilting all went away, but the dried out patches on the bottom leaves are still there. I will be more careful to make sure to keep them well-watered for sure.

what exactly would I be underfeeding though? Nitrogen should be the only thing is' using a ton of at this point, right? And N-deficiency usually shows a yellowing on the bigger, older leaves first, yes? The only yellowing I'm getting is those tiny tips on the newer growth, and that's just one plant...

To be clear, I have not added nutes at all yet, and they are going off of the worm castings in the soil mix. I gave an extra portion or two of worm castings to the mix I used for the first 1/3rd of each pot, then I filled the rest with a normal mix... so I feel like I should be good on N for now...

 

[AltarNation]

Here's some pics... the first shot with the really ugly leaves is way under the plant near the base of the stem... the second picture is one of the external big fan leaves. The third shot shows the same leaf from underneath with light behind it... the dark spots are the dead parts, while the translucent spots are the spots that are still alive, as far as I can tell.

The yellow in the first pic could be the very first signs of N-deficiency I suppose... and I can see the slightest hint of yellowing on the big leaf, but it seems to be more of a browning on the dead spots... the spots that aren't dead show no yellowing..

 

[PSUAGRO.]

I would continue with NO ferts.........they are not showing an N def/ very dark green leaves/ slight clawing and burnt tips lead me to believe that it has more than enough nutes still in the soil mix..........first set of pics poly is right about your watering habits/ dryed out a little too far........second set shows leaves getting caught in a wet soil/ light deprivation.......no biggie it's normal.......if any of these signs spread to the middle and/or top canopy==then start worrying