Romney's assessment of his own loss. lol

smokinrav

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Over the past week, Republicans of all stripes have been grappling with the
reasons for Mitt Romney‘s
defeat and the attendant ramifications. The post-election postmortems have been
equal parts spin and soul-searching, reasoned analysis and recriminations. About
the only conservative leader who hadn’t weighed in yet was Romney himself.

Now we know what Romney made of a defeat that so stunned the Republican
nominee that he didn’t bother scratching out a concession speech beforehand.

In a conference call with top donors Wednesday afternoon, report Maeve
Reston of the Los Angeles Times
and Ashley
Parker of the New York Times
, Romney ascribed the loss to President Obama’s
ability to sway blacks, Hispanics and young voters with “gifts.”

With each cohort, Romney argued, Obama was able to point to a “gift” that
helped motivated them to support a second Obama term. Parker reports:

“In each case they were very generous in what they gave to those groups,” Mr.
Romney said.

“With regards to the young people, for instance, a forgiveness of college
loan interest, was a big gift,” he said. “Free contraceptives were very big with
young college-aged women. And then, finally, Obamacare also made a difference
for them, because as you know, anybody now 26 years of age and younger was now
going to be part of their parents’ plan, and that was a big gift to young
people. They turned out in large numbers, a larger share in this election even
than in 2008.”
Obama’s decision to give the children of some illegal immigrants a path to
citizenship “was a huge plus for that voting group,” Romney suggested. The
President’s health care overhaul, Romney said, also helped mobilize black and
Hispanic voters for the President. His own campaign’s turnout models had assumed
the voting rate of those groups — especially African American voters — would
plummet after the heady thrill of 2008 wore off.

In the wake of the party’s fifth loss in six presidential elections, GOP
elders have urged the party to closely examine its mistakes, including where its
messaging veered off track. But Romney’s analysis — that Obama won by doling out
largesse to Democratic special interest groups — masks the party’s structural
problems, not to mention his own. He may have been a killer consultant, able to
pinpoint the shortcomings of other people’s organizations, but he has gaping
blind spots when it comes to his own.

For one thing, the transactional aspect of politics works both ways. Some of
the donors Romney was addressing on the call, as well as at the Boca Raton
fundraiser where he made his damaging remarks about the 47% of Americans who
considered themselves “victims,” presumably have their own interests in mind
when they wrote those hefty checks. Perhaps they are motivated by Romney’s promise to
lower their taxes, to reduce regulations on their industries, to preserve
elements in the corporate code that benefit them. These are “huge” pluses as
well.

Romney’s explanation for his defeat is also woefully simplistic. He didn’t
lose Iowa or New Hampshire, two swings state filled with white voters, because
of Obama gave “gifts” to minorities.” He lost, there and elsewhere, because
women, 55% of women, voted for his opponent. He didn’t lose African Americans
because of Obamacare. Nor did he lose Hispanics because of the law; he lost them
because his position on immigration during the primaries essentially boiled down
to the words “self-deportation.” He lost because he tacked to the center too
late. He lost because voters found him out of touch with their problems, a
judgment reinforced by the caricature he paints of Obama supporters as grasping
and self-interested. He lost because less people found him likable than his
opponent. These comments may help explain why.


Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2012/11/14/romney-obama-won-by-bestowing-gifts-on-voters/#ixzz2CFVhzb38
 

squarepush3r

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Basically both sides pander to gifts. The Democrats generally pander to gifts such as food stamps, medical (Obamacare), unemployment benefits, welfare, stimulus in form for teachers/police/firefighters, green energy, etc... and possibly also immigration amnesty.

The Republicans usually favor stimulus in terms of military involvement, oil/coal expansions, lowering taxes on wealthy(which is just a gift to wealthy giving them more money).

So, of course all politics seems just who is the bigger recipient of gifts, for example the "trickle down economics" that seemed to start in the 1980's was that giving the rich more money would mean everyone would get more money. However, this mindset has failed to deliver in that the highest income bracket has seen the largest increase in wealth compared to middle class (remember occupy wallstreet). So, trickle down economics seems to failed according to the public, so then it becomes non believable when Romney says he wants to cut taxes for rich, who may just be a 1% voting demographic, the 99% don't believe it to be true that they will benefit from it. Chalk it up to rich greed in the past 30 years. Yes, some of the working class may be employed at a company who may lose jobs if their rich employer. So, the employer threatens the workers that if Obama is elected they may lose their jobs, however people called the bluff with the last election.


So, yes I believe the republicans learned it is difficult to get elected on tax cuts for the rich when they make up 1% of the voting base, your opponent supports programs that are perceived to effect a higher % voting population, such as food stamps, Obamacare, etc...


However, Romney is wrong, I think this just shows that the 1% have a smaller control over the countries opinions so Romney pandering "free stuff" or "gifts" to rich failed him, and he lost.
 

Canna Sylvan

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This is what I said all along. Obama is the male Oprah yelling,"everybody gets a car!" No one wants to think they should work. He caters to the 47% lazy fucks. I work my ass off and I'm still poor. But I don't ask for gifts. That makes me better.
 

UncleBuck

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This is what I said all along. Obama is the male Oprah yelling,"everybody gets a car!" No one wants to think they should work. He caters to the 47% lazy fucks. I work my ass off and I'm still poor. But I don't ask for gifts. That makes me better.
first of all, you bitched and moaned when the tax break obama gave you expired and you were too dumb to even figure it out. i had to inform you of it.

second of all, voters that broke for romney, those 55 and older, get more "free shit" from the government than anyone else.

so shut your fucking face, rabbit.
 

Canna Sylvan

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Hey dumb fuck. Taxes are theft used to pay wars. We had no income tax before Lincoln killed more people than all wars we've been in since. Getting my stolen taxes back isn't a gift.It's taking back the night like you say women do with abortion.
 

UncleBuck

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Hey dumb fuck. Taxes are theft used to pay wars. We had no income tax before Lincoln killed more people than all wars we've been in since. Getting my stolen taxes back isn't a gift.It's taking back the night like you say women do with abortion.
i see your ignore button is working perfectly, rabbit.

 

Canna Sylvan

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And old person hater. Old people worked their ass off to support your punk ass who sells weed and pays NO TAXES, mooch. You should be on your knees fellating some old dude with a wrinkly dick for payment.
 

UncleBuck

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And old person hater. Old people worked their ass off to support your punk ass who sells weed and pays NO TAXES, mooch. You should be on your knees fellating some old dude with a wrinkly dick for payment.
i pay federal and state income taxes every single year, silly rabbit. we've been over this.
 

UncleBuck

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At a supposed effective rate of 25% on your 10 grand of legit earnings?

Just LOL.
the (way less than) $10k earnings i usually do nowadays are taxed at next to nothing, just payroll taxes, SS, medicare, state taxes etc. you get the federal income taxes back, although i get to say that i pay federal income taxes. they keep that money interest free for the year or so.

also, why is 'window licker' offensive? licking windows seems pretty dumb, but i haven't heard it used on this side of the pond.
 

Harrekin

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the (way less than) $10k earnings i usually do nowadays are taxed at next to nothing, just payroll taxes, SS, medicare, state taxes etc. you get the federal income taxes back, although i get to say that i pay federal income taxes. they keep that money interest free for the year or so.

also, why is 'window licker' offensive? licking windows seems pretty dumb, but i haven't heard it used on this side of the pond.
Retards tend to be licking windows as they go by on their "special bus".

Hence the term "window licker" means you're retarded.
 

Carne Seca

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This is what I said all along. Obama is the male Oprah yelling,"everybody gets a car!" No one wants to think they should work. He caters to the 47% lazy fucks. I work my ass off and I'm still poor. But I don't ask for gifts. That makes me better.
Hey, dumb ass. That makes you one of the 47%.
 

303blunt303

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hell na that just shows how dumb those people are who belive the 47% crap
just today romney proved that he doesnt care about the 47% of america
 

Canna Sylvan

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Your money wealth doesn't make you part of the SYMBOLIC 47%. Whether or not it's 47%, those people stand for taking from others, stealing. Robin Hood syndrome. It doesn't matter if you do it because you're wronged. You think you are. I can't, you can't!
 

FlyLikeAnEagle

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Your money wealth doesn't make you part of the SYMBOLIC 47%. Whether or not it's 47%, those people stand for taking from others, stealing. Robin Hood syndrome. It doesn't matter if you do it because you're wronged. You think you are. I can't, you can't!

It aint cool acting like a jive turkey so close to Thanksgiving.
 

Carne Seca

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Your money wealth doesn't make you part of the SYMBOLIC 47%. Whether or not it's 47%, those people stand for taking from others, stealing. Robin Hood syndrome. It doesn't matter if you do it because you're wronged. You think you are. I can't, you can't!
You do realize that Republican talking point LIE is tired and worn out, right? Romney is now a laughing stock for his elitist out-of-touch comments. Hence the reason for this thread. To laugh at Romney.

I'm laughing real hard right now. And yes, you are part of the 47%.
 
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