Obama gave us commerce by gun to your head; enslavement to health care sector

[Mr Neutron]

i do believe the crying baby here is the guy who totally tried to ignore germany's superior health care system (replete with government interference and heavy competition) and huffed and puffed and blew up his cheeks and with spittle flying and fat, crusty old fingers pounding the keyboard told me to move to germany.

And you would be wrong... but you must be used to that, by now.

 

[UncleBuck]

And you would be wrong... but you must be used to that, by now.

so let's talk about germany's health care system then.

they pay less than we do, and they insure all their citizens.

they have heavy government involvement in their health care system, yet all the insurers are private and mandated by government to be non-profit.

so more government interference than we have, yet way more competition and lower prices. reconcile that, would ya?

 

[UncleBuck]

Typical authoritarian response. You can't stand the fact that some people have more than you, so you're going to make 'em pay, no matter what.

pay less, actually.

didn't you hear? we pay the most in the world for health care of any wealthy nation.

excuse me for wanting to model our system after one that works better and costs less.

 

[Carne Seca]

so let's talk about germany's health care system then.

they pay less than we do, and they insure all their citizens.

they have heavy government involvement in their health care system, yet all the insurers are private and mandated by government to be non-profit.

so more government interference than we have, yet way more competition and lower prices. reconcile that, would ya?

You left out how strong Germany's economy is compared to the rest of the world.

 

[Mr Neutron]

pay less, actually.

didn't you hear? we pay the most in the world for health care of any wealthy nation.

excuse me for wanting to model our system after one that works better and costs less.

Well then move there. What are you waiting for? Who the fuck is the cry baby here?

 

[UncleBuck]

You left out how strong Germany's economy is compared to the rest of the world.

i also left out how germany's government meddles in the affairs of the private sector annually to negotiate prices on drugs and treatments

all that government interference, yet they pay less and take care of all their people. and the thought of going bankrupt due to medical bills there would be scandalous!

how does that work?

 

[UncleBuck]

Well then move there.

what an authoritarian thing to say.

What are you waiting for? Who the fuck is the cry baby here?

you are. you can't even address my point about government interference into the market being a good thing.

address the empirical evidence that contradicts your idiotic and limited worldview, and then we can discuss mustachioed, overweight, mexican whores.

 

[Mr Neutron]

what an authoritarian thing to say.

Don't try that shit on me. You are the one crying how bad it is in the US. So I suggested you move to Germany, since you think they have it all.

you can't even address my point about government interference into the market being a good thing.

address the empirical evidence that contradicts your idiotic and limited worldview, and then we can discuss mustachioed, overweight, mexican whores.

You address anything I say with insults and ridicule, what the fuck makes you think I will even TRY to debate you anymore. You have proven yourself a liar time and time again.
Here's a news flash for you, the US is NOT Germany. Also, when Germany institutes austerity to keep their economy from going in the tank, after bailing out the rest of Europe, I hope you enjoy it over there.
I can't battle wits with the unarmed, it's just not right, I'm not a progressive.

 

[UncleBuck]

Don't try that shit on me. You are the one crying how bad it is in the US. So I suggested you move to Germany, since you think they have it all.

so if i don't like it and want to change it, i can get out, but if you don't like it and you want to change it, you're a patriot?

doesn't work that way cocksucker.

You address anything I say with insults and ridicule, what the fuck makes you think I will even TRY to debate you anymore. You have proven yourself a liar time and time again.
Here's a news flash for you, the US is NOT Germany. Also, when Germany institutes austerity to keep their economy from going in the tank, after bailing out the rest of Europe, I hope you enjoy it over there.
I can't battle wits with the unarmed, it's just not right, I'm not a progressive.

funny, you say we can't compare the US to germany, yet you try to compare the US to estonia when you want to make an argument for austerity.

why you trying to have it both ways, cocksucker?

 

[Mr Neutron]

so if i don't like it and want to change it, i can get out, but if you don't like it and you want to change it, you're a patriot?

I'm not trying to change it, just undo all the shit the so-called progressives have changed. I AM a patriot, unlike you who want to change America into your socialist utopia. Forcing people to buy something for any reason is very unAmerican.

doesn't work that way cocksucker.

Thank you for proving me right, once again.

funny, you say we can't compare the US to germany, yet you try to compare the US to estonia when you want to make an argument for austerity.

Estonia? When did I say anything about Estonia?

why you trying to have it both ways, cocksucker?

And one more time, thanks. You're too kind.

 

[UncleBuck]

I AM a patriot, unlike you...

no, you're an old john who's stuck in the cold war.

 

[jumpin' buffalo]

Forcing people to buy something for any reason is very unAmerican.

I couldn't agree more. Secondly, all those people out there who support Obama's health insurance mandate - commerce by gun to your head - need to understand that if the government can force us to buy health insurance, there isn't anything that it can't force us to buy - commerce by gun to your head!

 

[ChesusRice]

They force me to buy auto insurance

 

[NLXSK1]

They force me to buy auto insurance

Only if you wish to own and operate a motor vehicle.

 

[ChesusRice]

Only if you wish to own and operate a motor vehicle.

Well you Don't have to live either

 

[NLXSK1]

Well you Don't have to live either

Dumbest thing I have ever heard you say. And THAT is SAYING something...

 

[Mr Neutron]

They force me to buy auto insurance

The federal government forces you to buy car insurance?

 

[Mr Neutron]

 

[jumpin' buffalo]

They force me to buy auto insurance

Auto insurance is a totally unrelated matter. It has no bearing on the health care debate.

 

[Doer]

Auto insurance is a totally unrelated matter. It has no bearing on the health care debate.

Right, you are. Driving is privilege. You don't have to drive. You are allowed to. So, you absolute are not forced to buy auto insurance. There is no penalty on your taxes every year if you don't.

You don't have to buy heath insurance and you can still drive.

And, up to now, there was no penalty on taxes if you were self insured for personal health cost
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So, the Court ruled. This is a tax structure. Not Heath Care. You are forced to pay Taxes. You are not forced to buy anything.

That is the Ruling of the Supreme Court.

There is tax upon tax here. It is a Value add tax at every level of the Heath Care Supply Chain.

My friends, you cannot ration anything, gas, food, etc, until you can control the supply chain. Obama Care was the new budget.

That's why we don't have a budget, they passed this all pervasive tax structure instead. Another 6 month limp just passed.

When we elect a Rock Star we want a bad boy. We don't care about facts anymore. We want Bad. We want a Dear Leader. We want someone that can "stick it to the Man." Wow, did we get fooled.