Poor should have less fun, work harder.

[mr2shim]

working harder =/= higher pay

 

[beardo]

the poor should have less fun, if they don't whats the point in being rich or trying to get rich.

 

[NoDrama]

who says poor people don't work hard? it's much harder to bus and serve tables than it is to write out TPS reports. and have less fun? leisure time has fuckall to do with labor time.

Except you forgot that the guy doing the TPS reports can also wait on tables, unfortunately the same probably cannot be said of the bus boy being able to do TPS reports.

 

[ink the world]

Want to hear something surprising? most plane pilots qualify for food stamps as well as any military family if the head of household is less than a e-4

Trust me I know. I have friends that work "good" jobs that are the working poor. I'm lucky, I work for myself. So to a large extent I haven't had to endure the wage stagnation as most workers.

Seriously, all partisanship aside; I cannot understand how anyone looking at income levels and personal wealth over the last 30 something years can say trickle down works.

Is there some kind of emotional attachment to the policy for some people? Logic and history shoe it to be a failure, or is there something both you and I are missing? If so, I've yet to hear a supporter point out the real success of the policy

 

[beardo]

Want to hear something surprising? most plane pilots qualify for food stamps as well as any military family if the head of household is less than a e-4

That is not suprising.
Most pilots want to fly planes.
How much does a plane cost?
Most pilots would the planes for airlines even if they were not payed.
Pilots could find another job and earn more but they want to fly planes.
They could work a job and spend all there money on a small plane and be able to fly a few times a year if they were lucky, they would rather work for an airline for little pay and fly every day, pilots are like volenteer firefighters, they are guys doing their dream job.

 

[Harrekin]

I've concluded that you are just an asshole.

They should get a better fucking job, Jesus if you work in Burger King you can work up the ladder and get management experience, that can be used to move on and that's just one example.

Start in the mail room in an office, work upwards...receptionist in a car dealership? Work up.

What happened to gain for merit?

Oh...and treadmills

 

[ink the world]

Except you forgot that the guy doing the TPS reports can also wait on tables, unfortunately the same probably cannot be said of the bus boy being able to do TPS reports.

Yes!!

There's the American dream. Work 40 hours a week in a cubicle, then go wait tables for another 40 hours a week. All for what?

If you have a family that will pay the rent in a shithole apartment and get the bills paid. That's it, no chance to save $ for a home purchase or ever achieve the classic American middle class stature. Wasn't that way before trickle down started.

I know for a fact. My great-grandparents came here from Italy, worked in a factory making shoes like most immigrants in my area. They were able to work a normal job and own a home, go on a simple vacation every year....IE they attained a lower middle class stature with the equivalent of both working a Walmart job today.

 

[beardo]

Yes!!

There's the American dream. Work 40 hours a week in a cubicle, then go wait tables for another 40 hours a week. All for what?

If you have a family that will pay the rent in a shithole apartment and get the bills paid. That's it, no chance to save $ for a home purchase or ever achieve the classic American middle class stature. Wasn't that way before trickle down started.

I know for a fact. My great-grandparents came here from Italy, worked in a factory making shoes like most immigrants in my area. They were able to work a normal job and own a home, go on a simple vacation every year....IE they attained a lower middle class stature with the equivalent of both working a Walmart job today.

That was trickle down.
They worked for the rich people who owned the factory and did well by working hard, and were treated fairly by their employer for making the factory owners even richer.
We now have trickle up, the banks charge the poor more, the taxes are higher on the poor and middle class, the good paying entery level labor jobs are gone. The poor work hard to keep the rich getting richer but are not given the chance to achieve a higher standard of living, the poor have to compete to survive, forget getting ahead, this is globalisation, compete with Chineese and Indians and expect to have a similar standard of living, and illegal and legal immigrants here to compete with also and they want to work for less and live more people to a home, and they get preferential treatment.

 

[beenthere]

Cool, a business major, perhaps you can tell me how giving a 5 trillion tax cut to the wealthy on (top of the cut they already enjoy) will speed up paying down the national debt?
Or How will it protect their interest (not mine) overseas. Shouldn't they pay for the security they enjoy overseas provided by the Navy or Air Force?
Or how bout the laws keeping Iran from just buying up their company. (remember China offering 4 times the asking price of Union Oil?) Should I be required to pay for that?
Corporation of today, have board members from other countries who see people as expendable, and don't operate with the best interests of the country in mind.
Freedom is not free.

Well, pull up a seat and I well explain how the debt gets paid down and also how the tax cuts play a part in it.

First off, the links you supplied are true, in a sense!
Romney's tax cuts probably would in fact add up to $5trillion over the projected 18 years they claimed.
What your politifact.com doesn't factor in (on purpose) is the economic and tax revenue growth the cuts would generate. If you can't grasp that simple concept, go back to the Clinton years when he lowered taxes on businesses and investments and tax revenues shot through the roof!
This is a fact you cannot refute.

Another fact your fact checking website fails to mention is, Romney is making actual cuts to the budget. Did you know that if we doubled the tax on all of the wealthy, it wouldn't even come close to paying the interest on the debt, let alone pay it down?
Seriously, anyone with half a brain can figure out you cannot reduce the deficit without reducing spending, it's literally an impossibility.

So with all this said, show me where Obama has or is planning on reducing the debt, he's had almost 4 years!

 

[spandy]

I wonder how many poor people teach themselves a trade to offer the world to better themselvrs financially, or use the free public library and internet access to learn as much as they can about whatever they can, again, to better themselves financially in this world. Or free schooling offered, etc.

Then I wonder how many sit at home bhitching about it all while being mostly if not completely non-active in their attempts to better their position in life while geting high or being irresponsible and making babies they couldn't possibly care for or signing their life away to a bank because they are too stupid to read the contract first and understand it before putting their name on it.

If somone has to pick up their tab, don't you think those someone's should be entitled to a little extra thrill out of life? I mean fuck if I can't get ahead of the guy who doesn't even try then fuck it all and I don't want to help anymore. Close the welfare down.

 

[ink the world]

Another fact your fact checking website fails to mention is, Romney is making actual cuts to the budget. Did you know that if we doubled the tax on all of the wealthy, it wouldn't even come close to paying the interest on the debt, let alone pay it down?
Seriously, anyone with half a brain can figure out you cannot reduce the deficit without reducing spending, it's literally an impossibility.

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I agree we cant get there with only tax hikes. Of course there have to be cuts. Is there a middle ground here? Because I could support a tax hike and some cuts.

The problem I have is where the cuts are and aren't coming from. Romney has stated he'd actually increase military spending. If you're at all serious about this then you have to put defense spending on the table. Not something I've heard Romney or the GOP are willing to do.

 

[NLXSK1]

• I agree we cant get there with only tax hikes. Of course there have to be cuts. Is there a middle ground here? Because I could support a tax hike and some cuts.
  
  The problem I have is where the cuts are and aren't coming from. Romney has stated he'd actually increase military spending. If you're at all serious about this then you have to put defense spending on the table. Not something I've heard Romney or the GOP are willing to do.​
  
  
  
  

The times that revenue rolled into the government is when tax rates have been cut.

This is not only a Republican tool. Kennedy did it. Clinton did it by lowering capital gains tax rates. Regan did it by lowering taxes.

The reason it works is that it spurs economic activity. Unemployment goes lower, the GDP grows and the revenue more than makes up for the lower tax rates. The wealthy and corporations make more profit which they simply turn around and invest back in growth which just helps keep the cycle moving in an upwards direction.

Increased taxes and increased regulation do not increase business growth. I am not sure how anyone could imagine that could happen. In cases where taxes were increased and growth was increased it almost certainly was in spite of the raised taxes and based on other market factors like the internet bubble.

 

[UncleBuck]

Except you forgot that the guy doing the TPS reports can also wait on tables, unfortunately the same probably cannot be said of the bus boy being able to do TPS reports.

who made any claim about that? i only pointed out that the person bussing and waiting 6 5-tops on a friday night is busting their ass a lot harder than the guy pushing out TPS reports on 2:30 on a thursday.

 

[NLXSK1]

who made any claim about that? i only pointed out that the person bussing and waiting 6 5-tops on a friday night is busting their ass a lot harder than the guy pushing out TPS reports on 2:30 on a thursday.

What does how hard someone works physically or mentally have to do with their compensation?

 

[UncleBuck]

The times that revenue rolled into the government is when tax rates have been cut....The reason it works is that it spurs economic activity. Unemployment goes lower, the GDP grows and the revenue more than makes up for the lower tax rates. The wealthy and corporations make more profit which they simply turn around and invest back in growth which just helps keep the cycle moving in an upwards direction.

lol.

that's the fantasy about how trickle down works.

empirical data proves your ramblings to be completely false.

if trickle down works so well, where are the jobs? we've had this policy in place for 30+ years, where has it gotten us?

 

[Ringsixty]

She is just plain NASTY. Very sad.

 

[UncleBuck]

What does how hard someone works physically or mentally have to do with their compensation?

did you notice the title of this thread?

i was commenting that the poor quite often DO work harder.

and as far as people saying that the poor should work harder, why? i'm quite content to be "poor".

why should i work any harder if i'm perfectly happy as is, lawnmower guy?

 

[Harrekin]

did you notice the title of this thread?

i was commenting that the poor quite often DO work harder.

and as far as people saying that the poor should work harder, why? i'm quite content to be "poor".

why should i work any harder if i'm perfectly happy as is, lawnmower guy?

Define "harder"'with regards to work.

 

[NLXSK1]

lol.

that's the fantasy about how trickle down works.

empirical data proves your ramblings to be completely false.

if trickle down works so well, where are the jobs? we've had this policy in place for 30+ years, where has it gotten us?

What policy in place? I just stated 3 events in the last 50 years where taxes were reduced and revenue increased.

 

[NLXSK1]

did you notice the title of this thread?

i was commenting that the poor quite often DO work harder.

and as far as people saying that the poor should work harder, why? i'm quite content to be "poor".

why should i work any harder if i'm perfectly happy as is, lawnmower guy?

I never said you should work harder. I never said anything about it.

You are the one comparing the labor of a waitress/server to a guy who pushes out TPS reports. I simply asked the relevance of the point you were trying to make and you jump on me and try to divert the conversation.

Have you ever tried to have an adult conversation? You know, one which you ask questions and then answer the ones asked back? Didnt think so...