• Here is a link to the full explanation: https://rollitup.org/t/welcome-back-did-you-try-turning-it-off-and-on-again.1104810/

If anything good can be said of Congress....

canndo

canndo

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Rob Roy said:
I don't think state's have "rights" nor do I think the Federal gov. does. People have rights. The most essential right is peaceful self determination. I agree with you people have blinders when it comes to their ideology. For instance some people purport to be for leaving others alone, then they want the government to act as their strongman to make other people do something they have no interest in doing. Odd huh ?
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States are more or less soverign Rob, in that they are but are still members of the FED, they do indeed have rights as stated in the 10th amendment.

Rob, you are still wishing to live in a world that cannot exist so long as humans inhabit it. We are not the individuals you would have us be.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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canndo said:
States are more or less soverign Rob, in that they are but are still members of the FED, they do indeed have rights as stated in the 10th amendment.

Rob, you are still wishing to live in a world that cannot exist so long as humans inhabit it. We are not the individuals you would have us be.
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States are sovereign ? That may have been the intention of a bunch of old dead white guys centuries ago, but the mission creep of the federal government has whittled that down eh?

Concerning my wishes....The world was flat to most people until 500 years or so ago right ? I am the individual I would have me be. Are you ? Does your philosophy rely on controlling others or leaving them alone ?
 
canndo

canndo

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Rob Roy said:
States are sovereign ? That may have been the intention of a bunch of old dead white guys centuries ago, but the mission creep of the federal government has whittled that down eh?

Concerning my wishes....The world was flat to most people until 500 years or so ago right ? I am the individual I would have me be. Are you ? Does your philosophy rely on controlling others or leaving them alone ?
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My philosophy and my personal conduct involve and include control, control of my surroundings as much as possible. We all do it, we manipulate the world around us up to an including our fellow humans.


The world being flat has nothing to do with the penchant of man. Man is an apex predator Rob, we are the current in a long line of killers, we kill others and we kill ourselves, that is the nature of man, in fact it is the nature of primates. Why would you have yourself believe that many is not what he is?
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Rob Roy said:
States are sovereign ? That may have been the intention of a bunch of old dead white guys centuries ago, but the mission creep of the federal government has whittled that down eh?

Concerning my wishes....The world was flat to most people until 500 years or so ago right ? I am the individual I would have me be. Are you ? Does your philosophy rely on controlling others or leaving them alone ?
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I have recently found out that this is not so. The Greeks knew by the 6th century BC that the earth was spherical, and Eratosthenes calculated a marvelously precise terrestrial radius around 240 BC. The Medieval scholars, both secular and religious, maintained the teaching that the earth was a sphere. The flat-Earth idea seems to be a sort of Chauvinism, a modern-fabricated myth to make the Enlightenment seem grander by disparaging the late Medieval cultures of learning.
cn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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canndo said:
My philosophy and my personal conduct involve and include control, control of my surroundings as much as possible. We all do it, we manipulate the world around us up to an including our fellow humans.


The world being flat has nothing to do with the penchant of man. Man is an apex predator Rob, we are the current in a long line of killers, we kill others and we kill ourselves, that is the nature of man, in fact it is the nature of primates. Why would you have yourself believe that many is not what he is?
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Rational self interest is part of my philosophy. If I respect others that I am around there is a higher possibility they will respect me. Mutual respect is a good thing no ?

Your answer backs me up. YOU wish to be in control of yourself and YOUR environment. I endorse that, yet I think I go further than you do. I DON'T wish to control other people, or seek others to do it for me.
 
canndo

canndo

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cannabineer said:
I have recently found out that this is not so. The Greeks knew by the 6th century BC that the earth was spherical, and Eratosthenes calculated a marvelously precise terrestrial radius around 240 BC. The Medieval scholars, both secular and religious, maintained the teaching that the earth was a sphere. The flat-Earth idea seems to be a sort of Chauvinism, a modern-fabricated myth to make the Enlightenment seem grander by disparaging the late Medieval cultures of learning.
cn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth
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Yes, something having to do with the length of the shadows cast by sticks driven into the ground at some distance from one another. We still use the metaphore of a flat earth but as always precision and a myth free society is generaly better for all.

Am I preaching so early in the morning? Must be the El Ray Del Mundo talkiing
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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canndo said:
Yes, something having to do with the length of the shadows cast by sticks driven into the ground at some distance from one another. We still use the metaphore of a flat earth but as always precision and a myth free society is generaly better for all.

Am I preaching so early in the morning? Must be the El Ray Del Mundo talkiing
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No; it was my tangent du jour. The flat earth myth was a Victorian meme that still has a lot of presence. Is there a lesson here about stuff? Perhaps. I'm too diffuse right now to corner it. cn
 
Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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cannabineer said:
No; it was my tangent du jour. The flat earth myth was a Victorian meme that still has a lot of presence. Is there a lesson here about stuff? Perhaps. I'm too diffuse right now to corner it. cn
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I see dumbing down of US Citizens along the same lines as the Victorian meme.
 
ink the world

ink the world

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NLXSK1 said:
No, I have never said my taxes went up. I have been starting a business the last 2 years, I have no income to tax... LOL!!!

I am not running a business INVOLVED IN REAL ESTATE. That does not mean that I am not investing in real estate, it simply means I am not doing real estate as my primary business.




This is DIRECT evidence how stupid the average person is regarding business people. I said my revenue exceeded 50K. Obviously to someone clueless it means I am making 50K... That is before taxes, expenses, etc...
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Jackass, when you say "clearing $50,000 you are saying you profited $50,000. You never mentioned revenue in your post, only what you "cleared".

You stated you wouldn't expand your business because of the costs of Obamacare, I don't believe that. Your business that had "cleared" $50000 and now only has a gross revenue of $50000 has more than 50 employees.

I might not be brilliant, but I know WTF "clearing" is and I am smart enough to operate a profitable business. You? Not so much
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Yes, please continue to tell me what I said before, what is going on with my businesses IRL, etc... It is fascinating to see what those rose colored glasses distort.

The government is currently spending 40% more than it is taking in. The democratic budget has trillions in deficits forever. The republican budget doesnt balance for over a decade. I am not interested in creating a pile of wealth that makes me a target for the confiscatory processes of the government. I am part of Atlas shrugging.

Obama runs around attacking job creators and small business people as the evil rich that must be punished because they dont deserve what they worked hard to obtain. He talks about them like they are criminals to be punished. Then people wonder why unemployment is so high and the number of small businesses created is at the lowest point in recorded history. It is because people like me are not willing to be scapegoated for simply working hard and trying to make it.

Therefore, and as I said about 2 years ago. Myself and other people are choosing to open smaller businesses if any at all. And the politicians through fiscal and environmental policy are making it happen.

10 years ago my goal was 10 million in real estate holdings. But the politics and policies of the past 8 years have made me decide not to even try.

So, today my goal is somewhere between 50K & 80K per year and by keeping my expenses low I can purchase a property every now and then. I get to do whatever I want and will be working less than 40 hours per week on average.

Why even try to be on the top when all it gets you is jealousy, greed, envy and targeting from the political class?
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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Nlxsk1

Dude, not cool. For mentioning A* S*, I'm very tempted to take back your likes. That bitch had no concept of reality, she may have been a tweeker.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Canna Sylvan said:
Nlxsk1

Dude, not cool. For mentioning A* S*, I'm very tempted to take back your likes. That bitch had no concept of reality, she may have been a tweeker.
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Sue me, I liked the book. It was a good demonstration of what happens when the ruling class pushes the producers too far. But you can just look at almost every other country on the globe to find parallel examples.

I havent really looked into Ayn Rand past that book and really dont care to.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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UncleBuck said:
i'm trying to decide if you are retarded or 15 years old.
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I guess we have to use *short bus* speech here for the retarded...

My taxes have not gone up yet because I havent paid any income taxes. You might be shocked but it costs money to start a business. Those expenses are deductible from the income before paying taxes, unlike your treadmill job.

Over the last 6 months my business has exploded. I am bringing in much more than 4K per month. ER: clearing 50K income per year. That is referring to business income, not personal income. Just because I now am making over 50K per year does not mean that I magically have 50K.

I can understand why you hate the rich so much. You seem to think they just magically get money deposited in their accounts by the banking fairy...

So, my taxes have not gone up since I havent paid taxes (YET). You are missing the point completely and trying to cling to an irrelevant part of the argument that you think you can win.

The government (not obama, not the dem's but the entire government) is spending like drunken sailors. We are headed for a credit and currency crash. Why the hell would I want to spend the next 20 years building up a fortune only to see it confiscated or destroyed by idiotic fiscal policy??

I have given you my personal opinion and the actions I have taken based upon the government and Obama's policies. They are not debatable as they are my experiences, opinions and actions and as such are not going to be re-written by you no matter how much you try to twist the truth. There are trillions of dollars in private business capital sitting on the sidelines because the goverment is so disfunctional that in late August of 2012, businesses and citizens do not know the tax rate they will be paying in less than 4 months. The fucking senate has not passed a budget in 3 years. The government is spending 40% more than it is taking in and there is no serious discussion of stopping that anytime soon.

But somehow, repeatedly you assert that Obama is doing just fine, he has no control over the unemployment rate, gas prices, or anything else that is going wrong. Government legislation, tax policy and inaction on fiscal stability are causing the slowest recovery in history. But hey, Romney wont disclose his tax returns so he is the anti-christ...

Some days I dont know why I bother...
 
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ChesusRice

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NLXSK1 said:
Sue me, I liked the book. It was a good demonstration of what happens when the ruling class pushes the producers too far. But you can just look at almost every other country on the globe to find parallel examples.

I havent really looked into Ayn Rand past that book and really dont care to.
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YOu specifically said
You would not start a business because of overwheliming taxes and goverment regulations
I remember it well
 
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