so it's mitt romney and paul ryan

[canndo]

The wedge is creating a false scenerio to further an agenda. I'll ask you the same question I asked Chesus. How does raising the effective rate on income taxes even touch the investment baker?

The way it works is that you answer the question I asked first, and then we move on. Is Romney's tax burden "fair when the majority of those who make less pay more as a percentage?

 

[ChesusRice]

Name calling is fun, wipe your chin and I'll try to explain. Romney's income is taxed at a capital gains rate. What Obama is calling for (and you) is a 3% increase in income taxes on those making more than 250k. How does this affect Romney when his money is not classified as income?

You also advocate for a flat tax

I challenge you to find a Flat tax scamnario that taxes capital gains
Here I will throw out some names for you to google
Steve forbes flat tax
Newt gingrich flat tax
Dick armey Flat tax
Grover Norquist flat tax
Herman cain Flat tax

 

[UncleBuck]

Romney is a goof, I'm not trying to defend him personally while you attack him personally.

He paid at least 700 times more than the basement dweller did to have those securities. How much more you want? What is fair to you?

again, uncited stat is uncited. you keep pointing out that he paid 700x more, but since he pays a tax rate of about half, that means he made 1,400x more.

it's not about wanting more, it's about leveling the playing field. when half of america does not have as much as wealth as the top 1 or 2 percent, how are they supposed to lobby congress for fairer treatment or stand any chance against the vultures?

do you want a plutocracy?

 

[canndo]

Romney is a goof, I'm not trying to defend him personally while you attack him personally.

He paid at least 700 times more than the basement dweller did to have those securities. How much more you want? What is fair to you?

If the bill for that penhouse is 1000 times more than the basement dwellers, that is what he should pay. The point here is that we all live in different rooms in this American Hotel, some get more, some get less, why should those that get less not have to pay proportionately?

 

[ginwilly]

He didnt pay shit for those securitys
he used other peoples money to buy them or got them from daddy

“'We were happy, studying hard. Neither one of us had a job, because Mitt had enough of an investment from stock that we could sell off a little at a time.
“'The stock came from Mitt’s father. When he took over American Motors, the stock was worth nothing. But he invested Mitt’s birthday money year to year — it wasn’t much, a few thousand, but he put it into American Motors because he believed in himself. Five years later, stock that had been $6 a share was $96 and Mitt cashed it so we could live and pay for education.

So? Charlie Sheen owes what he has made to his father too. If he had invested what he's made he'd be worth way more than Romney, maybe even as much as Jordan.

Your hate for Romney is clouding your senses. Raising income tax rates does nothing to change what investment bankers pay, for the third time. Surely it MUST be sinking in by now.

 

[ChesusRice]

So? Charlie Sheen owes what he has made to his father too. If he had invested what he's made he'd be worth way more than Romney, maybe even as much as Jordan.

Your hate for Romney is clouding your senses. Raising income tax rates does nothing to change what investment bankers pay, for the third time. Surely it MUST be sinking in by now.

May your chains rest lightly upon you

No fuck that
I hope you suffer if Romney ever gets in. Becuase only the stupid the rich and the bible thumpers would vote for Bishop moneybags

 

[ginwilly]

If the bill for that penhouse is 1000 times more than the basement dwellers, that is what he should pay. The point here is that we all live in different rooms in this American Hotel, some get more, some get less, why should those that get less not have to pay proportionately?

Fine, If the average American lives in basements you might be right. I'd be willing to bet he pays at least 1000 times more than the guy living in the basement.

How does raising income rates 3% on those making over 250k change the rate those investment guys pay? Last time I'll ask. I have to assume your blind hatred for those with more and illogical Obama nutswinging has clouded your thinking.

 

[canndo]

Fine, If the average American lives in basements you might be right. I'd be willing to bet he pays at least 1000 times more than the guy living in the basement.

How does raising income rates 3% on those making over 250k change the rate those investment guys pay? Last time I'll ask. I have to assume your blind hatred for those with more and illogical Obama nutswinging has clouded your thinking.

Tut tut tut Gin. My question first. Is it fair that Romney pays less as a percentage than the average tax payer? answer that and we can continue with your questions. I have no blind hatred toward Romney, My dislike is reasonable. I have the same dislike toward most sociopaths, it is not their fault but that does not mean I can bring myself to enjoy their company. But again, how about an answer?

 

[ginwilly]

May your chains rest lightly upon you

No fuck that
I hope you suffer if Romney ever gets in. Becuase only the stupid the rich and the bible thumpers would vote for Bishop moneybags

Can't answer the simple question so you resort to name calling. Is this the 12 year old posting on the Cheesy account?

Find a link that says I'm voting for Romney, I'm a Gary Johnson guy because I think Romney and Obama are the same people.

You would think you would back my idea because it actually would increase the percentage these guys pay. The fact that you won't even entertain it and instead attribute false facts to me leads me to believe it's a personal vendetta to you against people with more, not anything that rests in logic.

 

[ginwilly]

Tut tut tut Gin. My question first. Is it fair that Romney pays less as a percentage than the average tax payer? answer that and we can continue with your questions. I have no blind hatred toward Romney, My dislike is reasonable. I have the same dislike toward most sociopaths, it is not their fault but that does not mean I can bring myself to enjoy their company. But again, how about an answer?

Reading comprehension canndo. I have stated (on several occasions here) that we need to tax investment bankers on income. We need to define income as what you are paid and live off of. If I sell my second home it's taxed as capital gains, if I start flipping houses, then the government deems the sales as income, no longer as capital gains. I want to see investment bankers treated the same. This is FAIR.

I would almost double what Romney pays, you and Obama would do absolutely nothing to his rate. You and the name callers accuse me of trying to give the rich breaks. It makes no sense, none.

edit: if you are arguing that it would be fair if we all pay the same rate then you must be against a progressive tax rate. I know this isn't true, you don't want him to pay the same rate as the average American, you want him to pay much much higher.

 

[ChesusRice]

Can't answer the simple question so you resort to name calling. Is this the 12 year old posting on the Cheesy account?

Find a link that says I'm voting for Romney, I'm a Gary Johnson guy because I think Romney and Obama are the same people.

You would think you would back my idea because it actually would increase the percentage these guys pay. The fact that you won't even entertain it and instead attribute false facts to me leads me to believe it's a personal vendetta to you against people with more, not anything that rests in logic.

Your simple question has been answered multiple times in terms,grammar and sentence structure even a simpleton can understand
You just choose not to listen

 

[canndo]

Reading comprehension canndo. I have stated (on several occasions here) that we need to tax investment bankers on income. We need to define income as what you are paid and live off of. If I sell my second home it's taxed as capital gains, if I start flipping houses, then the government deems the sales as income, no longer as capital gains. I want to see investment bankers treated the same. This is FAIR.

I would almost double what Romney pays, you and Obama would do absolutely nothing to his rate. You and the name callers accuse me of trying to give the rich breaks. It makes no sense, none.

All you say here may be true but you have not come out and stated that Romney's tax payment with regard to the rest - is not "fair".


In response, no, Romney will not wind up paying any more if we simply tax income higher than we ordinarily are. He will still pay less than is "fair".

 

[canndo]

By the same token, Gin, a reduction in income tax will not affect the richest either, now will it? According to your protestations, reducing income tax on the wealthiest will not cause any change and will not "spur the job creators on" as has been so often claimed. In either case, the richest will not be affected - which is what is so... unfair, in the first place.

 

[ginwilly]

By the same token, Gin, a reduction in income tax will not affect the richest either, now will it? According to your protestations, reducing income tax on the wealthiest will not cause any change and will not "spur the job creators on" as has been so often claimed. In either case, the richest will not be affected - which is what is so... unfair, in the first place.

The job creators in this country are overwhelmingly small businesses. This is who tax breaks help and these are the people actually affected by raising taxes on Obama's so called "rich".

 

[ginwilly]

Your simple question has been answered multiple times in terms,grammar and sentence structure even a simpleton can understand
You just choose not to listen

no it hasn't been answered, not until canndo's post.

You should probably stick to calling people racists and copy/pasting other people's thoughts, yours are not too coherent.

 

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[MuyLocoNC]

the illiterate hillbilly is too much of a cowardly pussy to talk about the successes of trickle down economics. all he can do is repeat the same loaded question and lie completely about what i have said about trickle down.

pussy ass coward can't even defend the policy he wants to double down on.

So, even though I'm far more articulate and most certainly more well read than you'll ever be in your lifetime, now I'm an illiterate hillbilly. I have to keep repeatingit because you can't answer it and it completely debunks everything you've built your arguments upon. If raising taxes on future income of wealthy doesn't solve all the problems you say are caused by low taxes on the wealthy, then what is the justification for it? A "we hate you and are jealous of your success, fuck you tax?"

You constantly attach problem after problem on the shoulders of the rich and their low, low tax rates, but you can't simply explain how increasing their tax rates will solve the problems. It's hardly a loaded question, it's simply asking you to outline why you think this will accomplish anything. Other than giving the politicians a little more cake to divvy up.

You're getting bent out of shape over someone asking you to explain your position. Sell me motherfucker, I'm a registered Independent, I am your objective. If you can flip me, you can flip anyone. So do it, tell me how it's gonna help specific problems and how. I've never heard it from the administration, Democratic leadership or talking puppet heads. I need the info.

And finally, I've NEVER in this thread pronounced my current economic strategy of late. And it has changed recently. That's why I'm not answering your question, because it's not directed at me, unless you can show me where I said I did, which I didn't. Asking you to explain your position, doesn't expose my position at all. You overreacted and started flinging accusations. I reject that on it's face.

However, YOU have stated your position, quite clearly. Which is why it's appropriate to ask for the explanation I've asked for numerous times.

Seriously, sell me. I got the cash.

 

[UncleBuck]

The job creators in this country are overwhelmingly small businesses. This is who tax breaks help and these are the people actually affected by raising taxes on Obama's so called "rich".

lol. another one of those long debunked myths. something like 97% of small businesses would not be affected by a return to clinton era tax levels, and taxes are about the last thing taken into consideration during a hiring decision.

 

[UncleBuck]

So, even though I'm far more articulate and most certainly more well read than you'll ever be in your lifetime, now I'm an illiterate hillbilly. I have to keep repeatingit because you can't answer it and it completely debunks everything you've built your arguments upon. If raising taxes on future income of wealthy doesn't solve all the problems you say are caused by low taxes on the wealthy, then what is the justification for it? A "we hate you and are jealous of your success, fuck you tax?"

You constantly attach problem after problem on the shoulders of the rich and their low, low tax rates, but you can't simply explain how increasing their tax rates will solve the problems. It's hardly a loaded question, it's simply asking you to outline why you think this will accomplish anything. Other than giving the politicians a little more cake to divvy up.

You're getting bent out of shape over someone asking you to explain your position. Sell me motherfucker, I'm a registered Independent, I am your objective. If you can flip me, you can flip anyone. So do it, tell me how it's gonna help specific problems and how. I've never heard it from the administration, Democratic leadership or talking puppet heads. I need the info.

And finally, I've NEVER in this thread pronounced my current economic strategy of late. And it has changed recently. That's why I'm not answering your question, because it's not directed at me, unless you can show me where I said I did, which I didn't. Asking you to explain your position, doesn't expose my position at all. You overreacted and started flinging accusations. I reject that on it's face.

However, YOU have stated your position, quite clearly. Which is why it's appropriate to ask for the explanation I've asked for numerous times.

Seriously, sell me. I got the cash.

i'm having fun throwing insults your way because you constantly assail anyone who doesn't want to dismantle the social safety net as a "suicidal progressive" or "liberal lemming". it's funny, so i throw the insults right back your way.

instead of making up strawmen, perhaps you can point out what problems i lay at the feet of the wealthy and their lower tax rates. let's see if you're even paying attention, or if you're just looking for an excuse to accuse me of just being jealous and envious. because i find that accusation simply hilarious.

and instead of being such of a pussy, maybe you can tell us how successful trickle down has been and why we need to go all in with it. seems like if trickle down were successful at all, you'd have no problem exalting its successes.

 

[ginwilly]

lol. another one of those long debunked myths. something like 97% of small businesses would not be affected by a return to clinton era tax levels, and taxes are about the last thing taken into consideration during a hiring decision.

Long debunked by people who have no skin in the game doesn't mean it's true. Until you've taken out that 2nd mortgage to make payroll you have no right to judge what affects 3% has on another person. I can live without 3% of my income as I'm sure most of here can. I don't advocate raising taxes until DC proves they can spend responsibly. I will be willing to chip in to get the debt down when that time comes.

You on the other hand already think the government deserves this money more than the guy who owns the laundromat. You want to take from him, yet you yourself aren't willing to give more. Nothing is stopping you from paying your alms to your Gods but instead you want to use force to take from others while keeping yours. And you act quite smug about it, that's gross and speaks volumes.