so it's mitt romney and paul ryan

Moses Mobetta

Moses Mobetta

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althor said:
DING DING.

Why do we have policies that make a company pack up and move overseas? Do you have any idea the pain in the ass relocating an entire company can be? The governments in these other countries realize having 30k employees to tax is worth giving a nice tax break + incentives to bring that company over there. You have to look at the bigger picture.
Liberal ideas can only possibly work in a Shangri La world. In the real world things have to have logic behind it.

If you want a good example of living the liberal idealogy, just look at California. They are the blueist of blue states and look at the absolute mess it is.
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Before you go off on the liberals about jobs going out of country Look up NAFTA - spearheaded by George Bush and passed by 132 republicans and 102 democrats. This cost us big in the way of job loss. Look at other legislation that actually gave breaks to corporations to send jobs overseas and you can see republicans and democrats have played a major part.
 
Johnny Retro

Johnny Retro

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londonfog said:
Jobs went overseas because places like China and India could give a flying fuck about workers rights. Slave labor is a hell of a lot cheaper than Union labor. One protects the rights of the worker the other does not. People like yourself say they understand this but say nothing about it....instead you go with the BS that investors are scared to invest. They investing..just doing it with cheaper labor. I still say something made in the USA will outlast something made in China any day of the week. Just because something is cheap does not mean it is better.
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I have actually commented on it quite often. Sorry you do not pay attention to them.

Oh really? The rich are investing? Many studies seem to disagree with you.

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-14/markets/31163301_1_cash-corporations-moody
http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/03/01/super-rich-holding-more-cash-less-in-stocks/
http://ibankcoin.com/risikokapitalgeber/2012/08/09/the-us-rich-are-hoarding-cash/
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Moses Mobetta said:
Before you go off on the liberals about jobs going out of country Look up NAFTA - spearheaded by George Bush and passed by 132 republicans and 102 democrats. This cost us big in the way of job loss. Look at other legislation that actually gave breaks to corporations to send jobs overseas and you can see republicans and democrats have played a major part.
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NAFTA is also highly to blame for a lot of the immigration we see coming from south of the border.

put mexican corn farmers up against our heavily subsidized corn farmers and just imagine what will happen.
 
Moses Mobetta

Moses Mobetta

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UncleBuck said:
NAFTA is also highly to blame for a lot of the immigration we see coming from south of the border.

put mexican corn farmers up against our heavily subsidized corn farmers and just imagine what will happen.
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For a bill that was supposed to give better paying jobs to Mexicans who would in turn buy more of our products and stimulate the economy like George Bush said - huge fail. Mexicans continue to be exploited with the same shitty wages, we lost lots of good union type jobs and the Mexicans can't afford to buy anything from us.
 
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ChesusRice

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Moses Mobetta said:
For a bill that was supposed to give better paying jobs to Mexicans who would in turn buy more of our products and stimulate the economy like George Bush said - huge fail. Mexicans continue to be exploited with the same shitty wages, we lost lots of good union type jobs and the Mexicans can't afford to buy anything from us.
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Didn't work out becuase the jobs went from Mexico to China and other countries as well
 
MuyLocoNC

MuyLocoNC

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UncleBuck said:
and he avoids answering the question once again. he simply refuses to admit that trickle down is a completely failed economic theory.

oh, and what's that about wealth hoarding that hurts the economy? it's not like we can learn anything from history.

it's not like pre-great depression levels of income inequality make the economy extremely unstable or anything.

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I'm not avoiding anything because I wasn't in the thread when you asked, but you were when I asked my question, so it's you who are ducking the question.

So, even if I give you your point about wealth hoarding hurting the economy, the question remains. How does taxing the wealthy folk's future earnings, get them to open up the vaults and put all that accumulated money out into the world so it can get everything rolling? It's a VERY simple question and I still haven't heard anything that even resembles an answer.

I know you love to deflect when cornered but it ain't happening this time. This is the cornerstone argument for tax increases and if you can't answer with anything other than "trickle down sucks", then you're exposing the fact you and the ilk like you are completely full of shit and it's nothing more than selective taxation justified by class warfare.

They have more than me, so they should pay more. Ahh, they do pay more. Well, they should pay WAY more than me. Ahh, they do pay WAY more than you. They should pay more anyways, enough until it's FAIR. How much is fair? Ummm, more. That's it, just more? Yeah, more. How do we know when the increase reaches "fair" status? Duuuh, more.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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MuyLocoNC said:
I'm not avoiding anything
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that's grand. count this as the Nth time you have avoided the question: WHAT HAVE BEEN THE SUCCESSES OF TRICKLE DOWN? WHY SHOULD WE PUT THAT ECONOMIC THEORY ON STEROIDS IF IT HASN'T WORKED FOR 30 YEARS?

MuyLocoNC said:
it's you who are ducking the question.
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learn to read, specifically post #235.

i mean, i know three toothed southern hillbillies like yourself have to have your liberal cousin come in and read the words on the google box, but it's OK. we're just understanding like that. he'll gladly read post #235 for you so that you can realize i already answered your retarded, loaded question.

now go on and tell me how awesome trickle down has worked, especially in regards to it trickling down, cletus.
 
canndo

canndo

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ChesusRice said:
Nah I think the scary future is pretty much the domain of the Republican party
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No no, we have as much claim on "scary future" as the right.


Global warming
An end to oil
GMO foods
Chemicals in our environment
The oceans failing
The rain forest failing
Population explosions


We got a bunch of stuff, but most of it is far more creative than those end of the world rightist scenarios.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
canndo said:
No no, we have as much claim on "scary future" as the right.


Global warming
An end to oil
GMO foods
Chemicals in our environment
The oceans failing
The rain forest failing
Population explosions


We got a bunch of stuff, but most of it is far more creative than those end of the world rightist scenarios.
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Aw c'mon. Four horsemen? Trumpets? Zombie recall? That's pretty creative if you ask me. cn
 
canndo

canndo

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althor said:
DING DING.

Why do we have policies that make a company pack up and move overseas? Do you have any idea the pain in the ass relocating an entire company can be? The governments in these other countries realize having 30k employees to tax is worth giving a nice tax break + incentives to bring that company over there. You have to look at the bigger picture.
Liberal ideas can only possibly work in a Shangri La world. In the real world things have to have logic behind it.

If you want a good example of living the liberal idealogy, just look at California. They are the blueist of blue states and look at the absolute mess it is.
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You are Correct! This country should rescind it's minimum wage laws and allow coroporations that are considering moving to places where workers get 48 cents an hour and work 60 hour weeks, to be able to do the same in this country.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
canndo said:
You are Correct! This country should rescind it's minimum wage laws and allow coroporations that are considering moving to places where workers get 48 cents an hour and work 60 hour weeks, to be able to do the same in this country.
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And institute GoldwaterCare™! It'll improve the breed. cn
 
MuyLocoNC

MuyLocoNC

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UncleBuck said:
that's grand. count this as the Nth time you have avoided the question: WHAT HAVE BEEN THE SUCCESSES OF TRICKLE DOWN? WHY SHOULD WE PUT THAT ECONOMIC THEORY ON STEROIDS IF IT HASN'T WORKED FOR 30 YEARS?



learn to read, specifically post #235.

i mean, i know three toothed southern hillbillies like yourself have to have your liberal cousin come in and read the words on the google box, but it's OK. we're just understanding like that. he'll gladly read post #235 for you so that you can realize i already answered your retarded, loaded question.

now go on and tell me how awesome trickle down has worked, especially in regards to it trickling down, cletus.
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I'll answer yours when you FINALLY answer mine, since I asked mine first. And I do have an answer for yours. Quit dodging and insulting and looking at your feet and answer it.

I read #235 and dismissed it in my very next post as a non-answer. Maybe YOU need to learn how to read, pal. The call for higher taxation on the wealthy is being justified by you and all the Dems in Washington because of the vast amounts of wealth they are hoarding. That's a fact, it ain't something I'm making up. It's the central tenet of this call for higher taxes on the rich. So, with that in mind, answer the fucking question. how does raising taxes on future income of the wealthy open up their secret vaults of accumulated wealth and get them to send it out into the world.

I'm not budging on this, it's the fucking backbone of every progressive's call for tax increases even if you outright lie and somehow try to make the argument it's not. Laughable, since we've all heard it countless times.

And since the insults are flying from that rotten, haywire mass you call a brain, the challenge still stands. Anytime you want to compare brainpans, just say the word. I don't sweat you for a second.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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MuyLocoNC said:
I'll answer yours when you FINALLY answer mine, since I asked mine first. And I do have an answer for yours. Quit dodging and insulting and looking at your feet and answer it.

I read #235 and dismissed it in my very next post as a non-answer. Maybe YOU need to learn how to read, pal. The call for higher taxation on the wealthy is being justified by you and all the Dems in Washington because of the vast amounts of wealth they are hoarding. That's a fact, it ain't something I'm making up. It's the central tenet of this call for higher taxes on the rich. So, with that in mind, answer the fucking question. how does raising taxes on future income of the wealthy open up their secret vaults of accumulated wealth and get them to send it out into the world.

I'm not budging on this, it's the fucking backbone of every progressive's call for tax increases even if you outright lie and somehow try to make the argument it's not. Laughable, since we've all heard it countless times.

And since the insults are flying from that rotten, haywire mass you call a brain, the challenge still stands. Anytime you want to compare brainpans, just say the word. I don't sweat you for a second.
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you're just reinforcing stereotypes of moronic southern hillbillies as you repeat your loaded question.

and you're too much of a yellow-pussied bitch to admit that the economic theory you want to put on steroids is an abject failure.

trickle down: the theory that gave us 30 years of stagnant wages! YAY!

only demand is going to open the vaults you talk about in your loaded question, and stagnant wages are not so good at upping aggregate demand.

how do we know the toothbrush was invented in north carolina? if it was invented anywhere else, it would be called a teethbrush.

have fun voting for your savior romney!
 
MuyLocoNC

MuyLocoNC

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UncleBuck said:
you're just reinforcing stereotypes of moronic southern hillbillies as you repeat your loaded question.

only demand is going to open the vaults you talk about in your loaded question, and stagnant wages are not so good at upping aggregate demand.
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Born and raised in Orange County Ca, thank you. Spent my high school years in Corvallis, OR. Then stationed at the Pentagon. Then all but the last 6 years in Fairfax, VA. Not exactly redneck or hillbilly fodder. Anything else to deflect there, genius?

Loaded question huh? It's only the foundation of every argument you Dems make on here and in the MSM for tax increases, but it's a loaded question to ask how it's going to fix the problems you decry as being caused by the wealthy hoarding their money.

Then you went and doubled down in the post I quoted above. So, I'll rephrase the question to fit the assertion you JUST FUCKING MADE!

How does raising tax rates on future earnings of the wealthy, solve stagnant wages and unlock the vast hoarded wealth to increase aggregate demand. Are you actually making the case that higher taxes makes rich people want to pay their employees more? That the government taking a higher percentage of their income, somehow makes them go out and spend more? That higher capital gains taxes makes the wealthy want to invest more? Not less or the same, but actually more? That MUST be the case you're making since there's no other explanation for your above statement, I'd sure like to hear how you got there.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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MuyLocoNC said:
Loaded question huh? It's only the foundation of every argument you Dems make on here and in the MSM for tax increases, but it's a loaded question to ask how it's going to fix the problems you decry as being caused by the wealthy hoarding their money.

How does raising tax rates on future earnings of the wealthy, solve stagnant wages and unlock the vast hoarded wealth to increase aggregate demand. Are you actually making the case that higher taxes makes rich people want to pay their employees more? That the government taking a higher percentage of their income, somehow makes them go out and spend more? That higher capital gains taxes makes the wealthy want to invest more? Not less or the same, but actually more? That MUST be the case your making since there's no other explanation for your above statement, I'd sure like to hear how you got there.
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I just can't believe fixing the economy is the reasoning behind raising taxes on the rich, it's about a perceived fairness. Stating a man paying 1000X what I pay as not paying his fair share boggles my mind, but I truly believe that's the argument. The economical drivel is a tool used to try convince people.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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MuyLocoNC said:
Born and raised in Orange County Ca, thank you. Spent my high school years in Corvallis, OR. Then stationed at the Pentagon. Then all but the last 6 years in Fairfax, VA. Not exactly redneck or hillbilly fodder. Anything else to deflect there, genius?

Loaded question huh? It's only the foundation of every argument you Dems make on here and in the MSM for tax increases, but it's a loaded question to ask how it's going to fix the problems you decry as being caused by the wealthy hoarding their money.

Then you went and doubled down in the post I quoted above. So, I'll rephrase the question to fit the assertion you JUST FUCKING MADE!

How does raising tax rates on future earnings of the wealthy, solve stagnant wages and unlock the vast hoarded wealth to increase aggregate demand. Are you actually making the case that higher taxes makes rich people want to pay their employees more? That the government taking a higher percentage of their income, somehow makes them go out and spend more? That higher capital gains taxes makes the wealthy want to invest more? Not less or the same, but actually more? That MUST be the case you're making since there's no other explanation for your above statement, I'd sure like to hear how you got there.
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the illiterate hillbilly is too much of a cowardly pussy to talk about the successes of trickle down economics. all he can do is repeat the same loaded question and lie completely about what i have said about trickle down.

pussy ass coward can't even defend the policy he wants to double down on.
 
canndo

canndo

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ginwilly said:
I just can't believe fixing the economy is the reasoning behind raising taxes on the rich, it's about a perceived fairness. Stating a man paying 1000X what I pay as not paying his fair share boggles my mind, but I truly believe that's the argument. The economical drivel is a tool used to try convince people.
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Romney, someone worth a quarter billion dollars paid 13.9 percent in the only year he has released where the rest of us pay far more, up to almost 30 percent is not "fair" now is it.
 
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