so it's mitt romney and paul ryan

[ChesusRice]

Lol, so much hostility because you can't answer the question. Apparently I hit a sensitive nerve. And by the way, I've heard endlessly about how we need to raise taxes on the wealthy and it's always accompanied with the claim they are hurting the economy by greedily hoarding their wealth.

I'm not avoiding anything, I just came into the thread and asked a question.

Since the increase in tax rate on the wealthy won't amount to shit in terms of deficit reduction, it MUST be for job creation.

Suicidal Progressive still fits like a glove, by the way.

But of course in your opinion we must cut all welfare programs which amount to jack shit in terms of deficit reduction
But no way should we even think about raising taxes on the wealthy to the levels of the Clinton era
Becuase you think they amount to jack shit in deficit reduction

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Trickle down works great for me. The dude I bought my projector from paid over $15,000 new for it. It had 800 hours on it out of a 25,000 hour life. I paid $800 for it. Without the fickle super rich, I 'd never have anything like that, ever. He replaced it with a $20,000 digital projector.

 

[ink the world]

Lol, so much hostility because you can't answer the question. Apparently I hit a sensitive nerve. And by the way, I've heard endlessly about how we need to raise taxes on the wealthy and it's always accompanied with the claim they are hurting the economy by greedily hoarding their wealth.

I'm not avoiding anything, I just came into the thread and asked a question.

Since the increase in tax rate on the wealthy won't amount to shit in terms of deficit reduction, it MUST be for job creation.

Suicidal Progressive still fits like a glove, by the way.

The reality is that the top 2% of wage earners have had their income skyrocket while the rest of us have stagnated. This trend hardly started with Obama, it started a while ago. That isn't a talking point or my opinion, it's a fact.

Raising taxes on the rich isn't gonna take a huge chunk out of our deficit. Whats wrong with making a change because it's fair? Why should someone (take Romney as example) pay a lower tax RATE than you or I do? That's bullshit, it's a tipping of the system to favor 1 group: the self serving ultra rich

Where are all the jobs from the tax cuts for "job creators" from the Bush tax cuts? They never happened, and somehow it's Obamas fault? The policy sounded like it would work, I wish it had; but it didn't.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

I also own Ronald Reagan's two $30,000 ($60,000) Electrohome Cad/Cam projectors I bought for $30 for both. Trickle down FTW!

 

[ChesusRice]

Trickle down works great for me. The dude I bought my projector from paid over $15,000 new for it. It had 800 hours on it out of a 25,000 hour life. I paid $800 for it. Without the fickle super rich, I 'd never have anything like that, ever. He replaced it with a $20,000 digital projector.

Hate to burst your bubble but they are selling your high tech 1999 projection system for 100 bucks on craigslist

 

[ink the world]

Sweet TV!!

I bet it came in a bundle package w/ a VCR, a Sega Genesis and some Pat Benatar cassette tapes

 

[Johnny Retro]

Family. cn

Not sure what kind of family you have, but mine doesn't have a few million to invest in an up in coming business. And I'm sure most American's don't either.

 

[BA142]

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[cannabineer]

Not sure what kind of family you have, but mine doesn't have a few million to invest in an up in coming business. And I'm sure most American's don't either.

Most up&coming businesses seek investors of 1/100 to 1/1000th of that sort of money.
To interest a venture capitalist, it would have to be an unusual sort of business, say with a new-tech hook. But such a business is a showy exception. Most entrepreneurs are opening a corner store or restaurant. cn

 

[Johnny Retro]

fiscal cliff, fiscal cliff, fiscal cliff!

never once mentions aggregate demand.

never ever ever ever ever ever ever talks about the track record of trickle down. deflection and accusations are your entire arsenal.

No, confidence in the system is number 1 priority. There is no confidence among investors. Which means no investments in business. Which means no growth. Which means no jobs. Simple enough for you? And to add on to that: There is almost no confidence in the system now, so what happens when we raise taxes on them? Are they going to magically think "Gah! Time to invest!"? No, they are going to horde more cash and/or move to a more competitive country.

I've already stated the affects of "trickle down". Take a look at the economy from 1980(fixed it for you)- 2008. We had a booming economy. Now you are going to say "you fail look at 2008". And I will retort with a tax reform cannot prevent a bubble created by policy. Then you will say "the wage rate never increased". Ok, take your pick, would you like an abundance of jobs with median wages or a shortage of jobs with high wages? Yes, I agree that corporations are greedy and wage rates need to increase in times of prosperity. Not sure how that would be accomplished in the skilled job market without heavy government interference. And yes of course we can raise the minimum wage for low/no skilled (in times of prosperity). But by taxing them more does not translate to prosperity to lower class. It promotes further wasteful government spending.

 

[Johnny Retro]

Most up&coming businesses seek investors of 1/100 to 1/1000th of that sort of money.
To interest a venture capitalist, it would have to be an unusual sort of business, say with a new-tech hook. But such a business is a showy exception. Most entrepreneurs are opening a corner store or restaurant. cn

Opening a restaurant can cost anywhere between 100k- a few million. Again, not money my family just has laying around.

Right on the venture capital point. But to even achieve that much in your company, you have to have millions invested already. Yes, there are outliers I.E in the social media space. But in general, a tech company will have already spent big bucks before venture capital comes along.

 

[londonfog]

No, confidence in the system is number 1 priority. There is no confidence among investors. Which means no investments in business. Which means no growth. Which means no jobs. Simple enough for you? And to add on to that: There is almost no confidence in the system now, so what happens when we raise taxes on them? Are they going to magically think "Gah! Time to invest!"? No, they are going to horde more cash and/or move to a more competitive country.

I've already stated the affects of "trickle down". Take a look at the economy from 1980(fixed it for you)- 2008. We had a booming economy. Now you are going to say "you fail look at 2008". And I will retort with a tax reform cannot prevent a bubble created by policy. Then you will say "the wage rate never increased". Ok, take your pick, would you like an abundance of jobs with median wages or a shortage of jobs with high wages?

I wish we would just start manufacturing in this country. Fools like yourself do not realize that is one of the major problems with our system now. Its jobs out there...sadly they are overseas.

 

[UncleBuck]

Lol, so much hostility because you can't answer the question. Apparently I hit a sensitive nerve. And by the way, I've heard endlessly about how we need to raise taxes on the wealthy and it's always accompanied with the claim they are hurting the economy by greedily hoarding their wealth.

I'm not avoiding anything, I just came into the thread and asked a question.

Since the increase in tax rate on the wealthy won't amount to shit in terms of deficit reduction, it MUST be for job creation.

Suicidal Progressive still fits like a glove, by the way.

and he avoids answering the question once again. he simply refuses to admit that trickle down is a completely failed economic theory.

oh, and what's that about wealth hoarding that hurts the economy? it's not like we can learn anything from history.

it's not like pre-great depression levels of income inequality make the economy extremely unstable or anything.

 

[londonfog]

and he avoids answering the question once again. he simply refuses to admit that trickle down is a completely failed economic theory.

oh, and what's that about wealth hoarding that hurts the economy? it's not like we can learn anything from history.

it's not like pre-great depression levels of income inequality make the economy extremely unstable or anything.

The only trickle down that works is in a porn movie

 

[Johnny Retro]

I wish we would just start manufacturing in this country. Fools like yourself do not realize that is one of the major problems with our system now. Its jobs out there...sadly they are overseas.

I actually do understand this. Are you mad about something to come and attack me?

So, mr londonfrog why do figure those jobs have gone overseas? And how do you figure we get them back?

 

[UncleBuck]

No, aggregate demand is number 1 priority. There is no demand, which means no investments in business. Which means no growth. Which means no jobs. Simple enough for you?

fixed it for you.

the uncertainty fairy is a myth, just like trickle down.

I've already stated the affects of "trickle down". Take a look at the economy from 1980(fixed it for you)- 2008. We had a booming economy.

so, with a booming economy and increased worker productivity, we should see wages rise as well since it trickles down, right?

WRONG. you lose. thaks for playing.

Now you are going to say "you fail look at 2008".

only to point out that your timeline is dishonest. trickle down did not cause the crash. that's just you trying to deflect and talk about how barney frank magically controlled a GOP led congress for 6 years and made bush talk about his ownership society in SOTU addresses and campaign commercials.

I agree that corporations are greedy and wage rates need to increase in times of prosperity. Not sure how that would be accomplished...

i can tell you how that is NOT accomplished: trickle down.

so since we know this economic theory does not work, tell me again why we need to follow little lord fauntleryan's magic fairy dust prescription and double (or triple) down on this failed economic policy.

 

[althor]

I actually do understand this. Are you mad about something to come and attack me?

So, mr londonfrog why do figure those jobs have gone overseas? And how do you figure we get them back?

DING DING.

Why do we have policies that make a company pack up and move overseas? Do you have any idea the pain in the ass relocating an entire company can be? The governments in these other countries realize having 30k employees to tax is worth giving a nice tax break + incentives to bring that company over there. You have to look at the bigger picture.
Liberal ideas can only possibly work in a Shangri La world. In the real world things have to have logic behind it.

If you want a good example of living the liberal idealogy, just look at California. They are the blueist of blue states and look at the absolute mess it is.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Hate to burst your bubble but they are selling your high tech 1999 projection system for 100 bucks on craigslist

Is it a Dwin HD-700? Color filtered and corrected lenses replacement? Power supply insulation fix, otherwise it dies a little over 1,000 hours? Real 75 ohm replaced video input wires, stock is 50 ohm? I only know of six hotroded ones like mine in existance.

How will you feed it a signal? It uses negative sync. Computers, Xbox 360, etc output positive sync. Btw, the Dwin transcoder only accepts NTSC signals, not ATSC HDTV. It won't accept even VGA RGB-HV from a computer, like I said, wrong sync. How do you bypass YCbCr HDMI/DVI HDCP? Hint, even if you do, the image will be shifted one fourth to the right. The projector has no shift controls, since this was a high end monitor in the day.

So, for $100, how do you get it working?

Do you you even know how to set it up?

Physical toe-in. Converge. Focus. Set raster size. Neck tube magnet adjustment. Drive setting. Beam focus. Screen voltage. Pedestal type. RGB grayscale. Contrast and brightness for all IRE, with a proper low end IRE gamma bump. Proper video timing settings for either 720p or 1080i60/72 hz, ie front porch, back porch, total and the exact refresh to the nearest hundredth. Hint, atsc and ntsc don't resfresh at exactly 24.00 or 60.00 hz.

You can buy from someone like Curt Palme, and he'll walk you through all you need to know and what you need extra. But not for $100.

Do you know how to tell what condition the projector is in? How many tube and chassis (standby) hours there are?

 

[londonfog]

I actually do understand this. Are you mad about something to come and attack me?

So, mr londonfrog why do figure those jobs have gone overseas? And how do you figure we get them back?

Jobs went overseas because places like China and India could give a flying fuck about workers rights. Slave labor is a hell of a lot cheaper than Union labor. One protects the rights of the worker the other does not. People like yourself say they understand this but say nothing about it....instead you go with the BS that investors are scared to invest. They investing..just doing it with cheaper labor. I still say something made in the USA will outlast something made in China any day of the week. Just because something is cheap does not mean it is better.

 

[Johnny Retro]

DING DING.

Why do we have policies that make a company pack up and move overseas? Do you have any idea the pain in the ass relocating an entire company can be? The governments in these other countries realize having 30k employees to tax is worth giving a nice tax break + incentives to bring that company over there. You have to look at the bigger picture.
Liberal ideas can only possibly work in a Shangri La world. In the real world things have to have logic behind it.

If you want a good example of living the liberal idealogy, just look at California. They are the blueist of blue states and look at the absolute mess it is.

Municipalities defaulting on there debt. Scary shit that is foreshadowing our country. I wonder what the affects on the federal government will be if wide spread muni defaults continue to occur. The scary thing is, my state IL, has a 7,000 per capita shortage of pension money. California only has around 4500. Gotta love living in a democratic state. Apparently we still choose the Keynesian model and continue to spend our way into prosperity. What could ever go wrong?