I use 10ml per gallon per water change which varies from week to 3 weeks.How are you guys using Aquashield? I just picked some up, running 2 gallon DWC buckets filled with about 1.5 gallons of water. My plan is 4 tsp in each bucket every 7 days.
nice. Ima step up my AS feeding a bit.I use 10ml per gallon per water change which varies from week to 3 weeks.
personally i have only heard like one or two positive instances with hygrozyme. I would just pick up some high concentration h202, give it a good 10 min bath with the stuff, then use a regular dose of the h202 for a sterile rez or run some bene's such as AS or Trantula (if you like AN)i have just started my first dwc for about 3 weeks now and i am haveing issues with root rot. i am only growing veg plants like peppers, tomatoes etc. cuz its with my daughter. i am not sure what i am doing but i am using hygrozyme with nuits and spraying roots with 35% (water btl cap in 1L spray bottle) then putting back in dwc. looks like some new roots are coming out but one of the plants droop choke and looks all saggy. one plant looks kinda normal and i think it is working. i am not sure if i am doing the amount of care to get rid of the rot. also water temp probably another reason for rot. plz inform thnx
AN microbe products are notorious for exasperating a slime problem in DWC. They shouldn't, but they do. Pretty much any other microbe product is fine. I prefer mycogrow solublepersonally i have only heard like one or two positive instances with hygrozyme. I would just pick up some high concentration h202, give it a good 10 min bath with the stuff, then use a regular dose of the h202 for a sterile rez or run some bene's such as AS or Trantula (if you like AN)
Ya im not a fan of AN myself. Thanks for stopping in Heisenberg! Your tea is the stuff of gods my friend.AN microbe products are notorious for exasperating a slime problem in DWC. They shouldn't, but they do. Pretty much any other microbe product is fine. I prefer mycogrow soluble
you dont use anything to keep you nute solution clean? dm zone, sm 90, h2o2, or even aquashield ?I use General Hydroponics 3 part.
I use Seaplex as a foilar spray
I use The bennies as a foliar spray.
thats all I use for veg.
When I flower Ill use the same nutes, but I might use bushmaster to stop stretch.
Ive battled root dissease , root rot was the first battle I had when I transplanted from a top feed to a dwc mid flower, SM-90 and H2O2 worked well for that, I added 3ml/gal of H2O2 at res changes and 3ml/gal of sm90, then 3ml/gal of both every three days, took a couple of weeks but it dealt with the root rot, Right now IM recovering from Brown slime algae, and H2O2 nor Sm90 do shit for that, So I started using beneficial bacteria, but I dont just add subculture to the res, I make a tea and innoculate that way, You cant run bennies and h2o2 sm90 together its either or, and I believe that bennies are better since they treat root rot, and other root dissease that h2o2 and sm90 wont, they also give you more room on ressy temps, and are more forgiving if you have light leaks, subculture b is expensive, so is subculture M (the other half of the ingredients in the tea) and making the tea makes the products last longer
so in short i wont be using h2o2 anymore, and sm90 just to help fight insects, or use as a wetting agent maybe. Bennies all the way
Sir, you are a troll and this discussion is over.
You can dump as much bleach and h2o2 on slimed roots as you want... it won't do dick to remove the slime. A shot glass of aquashield once a week is all you need. It's cheaper too. h2o2 dissipates in a few hours so adding it every few days isn't doing much, you could probably stop using it altogether and see the same results (ie: nothing)Wait a minute... let me get this straight. You store your worm shit soup in the fridge? Along with your meats, cheeses, eggs and milk? You guys are even bigger nut jobs than I originally suspected. Tell me, do you label it "Worm Shit - Don't Drink" or just wing it and hope that the guests don't get into it thinking its brisk ice tea?
And, oh wow, you get a whole week of shelf life out of it? So, if you follow the directions and brew 2 gallons and then use 1 cup for every 10 gallons in your res once per week, what do you do with the leftovers? Even if you stretch it and get 2 res treatments per 2 gallon batch ... then what? That means, in a grow my size, I'm going to use 2 cups out of a 32 cup batch then pitch 95% of it down the drain? No thanks. As I said, your worm shit soup is a huge hassle. It's wasteful and inefficient.
Lastly, who gives a fuck? Prokaryotes or Eukaryotes. Certain death awaits them both in my grow room. And, it only takes me 2 shot glasses per week of H2O2. Even better, I can pour it straight from a bottle.
I've never labeled myself as a grow guru, for the record. Please provide sources for your claim that cyanobacteria is algae. My source saysI've been growing in DWC since 2011. I've dealt with all sorts of grow room issues in that time including slime. Lots of grow gurus here on RIU seem to have theories and opinions on the cause, but when I looked into a couple of them, they turned out to be complete fiction. Heisenberg's sticky entitled "DWC Root Slime Cure aka How to Breed Beneficial Microbes" for instance, is outright bullshit. He says in his first sentence that, "When a clear snot forms on roots in a DWC…you probably have something called brown slime algae, which actually isn't algae at all, but a cyanobacteria. It loves oxygen and doesn't need light to grow.” Well, I Googled it and found that the exact opposite is true. Cyanobacteria IS algae. It's the same blue-green algae you find in pools and ponds the world over. Some blue-green algae blooms in the ocean are so big, they are visible from space. I'll admit that I have no fucking idea what causes root slime. Trust me though, neither does Heisenberg.
If the tea is too much hassle for you, then fair enough. No where do I claim that tea treatments are effortless, and they are meant to gain a measure of control, not to be a perpetual requirement for growing. Once an outbreak is handled, treatments are optional. Using laziness to support your point of view is not terrible persuasive.Some grower's believe that a microbial tea is the answer. They argue that the "good guy microbes" within the tea will eat the "bad guys" mucking up your grow. Make no mistake; lots of growers do this and report great success. Brewing the tea appears to be a big friggin hassle though. First, you have to buy all the ingredients; worm shit, molasses, ZHO etc. Then brew the tea. Apparently, the tea has almost no shelf life, so if you go this route, you will be brewing this worm shit soup constantly. That will require a dedicated bucket, air pump and air stone set up also.
An argument from incredulity. Just because you are unable to imagine something doesn't mean it's false. The concept of diversity and competition is what protects you from microbe infection on a daily basis. Your skin is covered in bacteria that help out compete pathogens, your mouth is full of bacteria that help displace decomposes, and "worm shit" is an integral part of any soil garden. If we shrugged off any concept which seems counter-intuitive to us, we would have to throw out the majority of scientific knowledge. Using your lack of imagination to support your point of view is not terribly persuasive.To me, the very idea of introducing a brew made chiefly from worm shit and complex carbohydrates/sugars into my grow operation to combat a bacteria problem is just crazy. Conceptually. I can't get my mind around how trying to solve a bacterial infection/algae bloom with shit is the answer. Anybody else have trouble with this? The only thing I want growing in my op is weed.
I have always been very upfront that the tea is for those who have tried everything else and failed. Many outbreaks of slime are resistant to sterilizers, unless we add amounts that would also kill plants. There are some who would say brewing tea is easier than constantly cleaning every piece of equipment and the entire growroom. I myself would argue that those things should be done anyway, but your assertion that sterilization is easier than brewing tea is not universal.The easiest, most cost effective way I have found to suppress root slime is to keep your DWC sterile using a few chemicals ideally suited for that purpose. I use an Iodophor sanitizer to clean and sterilize everything including my buckets, air stones, air lines, measuring tools and stir sticks at every res change. Iodophor is widely used as a sanitizer in the restaurant and brewing industries because its cheap, effective and fast. Just a two minute soak is all you need. It evaporates directly from liquid to gas as it dries and leaves no traces, tastes or odors. Then, I add a shot glass full (30 to 40 mils) of 35% strength H2O2 to each 5 gallon bucket (3 gallons of water) every 4 days. I have no slime issues and everything is always nice and clean.
Again, the tea is meant for situations where slime resists h202 treatments. If you think h202 treatments are not detrimental to plants, then cite your source. If you have never seen proper levels of h202 recommended, then I question how much effort you could have put into research. The use of h202 is a risk vs benefit call.Lots of guys talk about H2O2, but blow it off as ineffective. They use terms like "safe level" and "usual dose" but don't bother to explain what they think that a "safe level" or "usual dose" is. Has anyone ever seen a plant that suffered from too much H2O2? Me neither. I would argue that they are under using the product. H2O2 is not a one-off treatment. It will kill, on contact, both "good guy microbes" as well as the "bad guy microbes" but you have to continue to use it in order to derive any benefit.
Using inexperience as support for your point of view is not terrible persuasive.Has anyone ever seen a plant that suffered from too much H2O2? Me neither.
The entire reason you mentioned cyanobacteria was to correct what you thought was a factual error. You were wrong, and now your defense is that facts don't matter? Using a double standard to support your point of view is not terribly persuasive.Lastly, who gives a fuck? Prokaryotes or Eukaryotes. Certain death awaits them both in my grow room.