Guide to Getting Rid of Root Rot
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BigBuddahCheese
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I use 10ml per gallon per water change which varies from week to 3 weeks.
Bigz2277
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nice. Ima step up my AS feeding a bit.
DWCRookieInHAWAII
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i have just started my first dwc for about 3 weeks now and i am haveing issues with root rot. i am only growing veg plants like peppers, tomatoes etc. cuz its with my daughter. i am not sure what i am doing but i am using hygrozyme with nuits and spraying roots with 35% (water btl cap in 1L spray bottle) then putting back in dwc. looks like some new roots are coming out but one of the plants droop choke and looks all saggy. one plant looks kinda normal and i think it is working. i am not sure if i am doing the amount of care to get rid of the rot. also water temp probably another reason for rot. plz inform thnx
Bigz2277
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personally i have only heard like one or two positive instances with hygrozyme. I would just pick up some high concentration h202, give it a good 10 min bath with the stuff, then use a regular dose of the h202 for a sterile rez or run some bene's such as AS or Trantula (if you like AN)
Heisenberg
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AN microbe products are notorious for exasperating a slime problem in DWC. They shouldn't, but they do. Pretty much any other microbe product is fine. I prefer mycogrow soluble
Bigz2277
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Ya im not a fan of AN myself. Thanks for stopping in Heisenberg! Your tea is the stuff of gods my friend.
DWCRookieInHAWAII
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Thanks for the info
budherder
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you dont use anything to keep you nute solution clean? dm zone, sm 90, h2o2, or even aquashield ?
leomguarita
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My friend. Tell us how you make your tea, and if you make it every week, or keep it some till next change. I always want to know how much each of the components ( Subcultures, flora nectar, etc ) do you use to make how much tea. I have a 4 gal N.Solution, how much tea should i use. Tell me about dosing all that.
Thank you
Leo
litesellme
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Its like the blind leading the blind!! Heisenberg tea is garbage. Don't even bother with physan 20, ozone, chlorine, sm90, or beni's. I promise you that its is just a losing battle. If it is in your root ball your toast. the only way to win a fight with pythium is systemics period. Listening to Heisenberg is just going to ruin your grow. I think my pics say it all
You guys
You guys
sunnysidehawaii
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Aloha growweedtoday,
I just discovered the beginning of root rot in my grow cabinet I was stupid enough to buy. They advertise and give you a little 1 gallon rubbermade shoe box deal with six little holes in the lid and 6 little baskets and all the bells and whistles. I must say it truely is not big enough for 6 plants but I do have one awesome plant that I just noticed tonight a smell when I opened it. This is my first indoor grow so thanks to you and I really mean that. You seem to know what to do. After cleaning it out, rinsing the roots, changing the water, adding new nutes (moon dust) and reading your advice, I will be up tomorrow bright and early, head on down to the store and get me some SM-90. This plant is so beautiful and I don't want to lose it. It grew as fast as advertized 1&1/2 months and about 1 to go to harvest. I did however, with the weekly changing of water and all, I never looked under the lid the little pot sat in. Mildew. It was gross. Cleaned that and disenfected as fast as a New York minute. Your the bomb-diggity. Thank you so much for your helpful eye opener article on root rot. Much Aloha, Sunnyside. I am an outdoor grower. I live in Hawaii, we got the great summer sun and long breezy days.
I just discovered the beginning of root rot in my grow cabinet I was stupid enough to buy. They advertise and give you a little 1 gallon rubbermade shoe box deal with six little holes in the lid and 6 little baskets and all the bells and whistles. I must say it truely is not big enough for 6 plants but I do have one awesome plant that I just noticed tonight a smell when I opened it. This is my first indoor grow so thanks to you and I really mean that. You seem to know what to do. After cleaning it out, rinsing the roots, changing the water, adding new nutes (moon dust) and reading your advice, I will be up tomorrow bright and early, head on down to the store and get me some SM-90. This plant is so beautiful and I don't want to lose it. It grew as fast as advertized 1&1/2 months and about 1 to go to harvest. I did however, with the weekly changing of water and all, I never looked under the lid the little pot sat in. Mildew. It was gross. Cleaned that and disenfected as fast as a New York minute. Your the bomb-diggity. Thank you so much for your helpful eye opener article on root rot. Much Aloha, Sunnyside. I am an outdoor grower. I live in Hawaii, we got the great summer sun and long breezy days.
faller200
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My own opinion about root rot (and I'm no expert) is this. Why do we all look for a cure for root rot after it has already set in. The key is prevention. It's like cancer very hard or impossible to get rid of after you get it. There are many things you can do to help prevent cancer. Well there are many things that you can do to prevent root rot too. Such as keep temps cool, keep a clean environment and use bennie's from the very start. Don't wait till you have a problem to correct it. Do everything you can to prevent it in the first place. Just a side note. Nature does it with bennie's.
Weedo Bandito
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I've been growing in DWC since 2011. I've dealt with all sorts of grow room issues in that time including slime. Lots of grow gurus here on RIU seem to have theories and opinions on the cause, but when I looked into a couple of them, they turned out to be complete fiction. Heisenberg's sticky entitled "DWC Root Slime Cure aka How to Breed Beneficial Microbes" for instance, is outright bullshit. He says in his first sentence that, "When a clear snot forms on roots in a DWC…you probably have something called brown slime algae, which actually isn't algae at all, but a cyanobacteria. It loves oxygen and doesn't need light to grow.” Well, I Googled it and found that the exact opposite is true. Cyanobacteria IS algae. It's the same blue-green algae you find in pools and ponds the world over. Some blue-green algae blooms in the ocean are so big, they are visible from space. I'll admit that I have no fucking idea what causes root slime. Trust me though, neither does Heisenberg.
It seems clear that, whatever the cause is, it's everywhere. It's in the water you use, it's on the surface of your buckets, your air stones, your air lines, your measuring tools and your stir sticks. All it needs is the proper conditions in order to flourish. It’s not something that your grow catches or comes down with. Therefore, there is no cure to be found. The best that you can hope for is suppression and control. Since, according to my encyclopedia, there are approximately 5×10 to the 30th bacteria on Earth - far outnumbering plants and animals - bacteria of some kind seem the most likely culprits.
Some grower's believe that a microbial tea is the answer. They argue that the "good guy microbes" within the tea will eat the "bad guys" mucking up your grow. Make no mistake; lots of growers do this and report great success. Brewing the tea appears to be a big friggin hassle though. First, you have to buy all the ingredients; worm shit, molasses, ZHO etc. Then brew the tea. Apparently, the tea has almost no shelf life, so if you go this route, you will be brewing this worm shit soup constantly. That will require a dedicated bucket, air pump and air stone set up also. To me, the very idea of introducing a brew made chiefly from worm shit and complex carbohydrates/sugars into my grow operation to combat a bacteria problem is just crazy. Conceptually. I can't get my mind around how trying to solve a bacterial infection/algae bloom with shit is the answer. Anybody else have trouble with this? The only thing I want growing in my op is weed.
The easiest, most cost effective way I have found to suppress root slime is to keep your DWC sterile using a few chemicals ideally suited for that purpose. I use an Iodophor sanitizer to clean and sterilize everything including my buckets, air stones, air lines, measuring tools and stir sticks at every res change. Iodophor is widely used as a sanitizer in the restaurant and brewing industries because its cheap, effective and fast. Just a two minute soak is all you need. It evaporates directly from liquid to gas as it dries and leaves no traces, tastes or odors. Then, I add a shot glass full (30 to 40 mils) of 35% strength H2O2 to each 5 gallon bucket (3 gallons of water) every 4 days. I have no slime issues and everything is always nice and clean.
Lots of guys talk about H2O2, but blow it off as ineffective. They use terms like "safe level" and "usual dose" but don't bother to explain what they think that a "safe level" or "usual dose" is. Has anyone ever seen a plant that suffered from too much H2O2? Me neither. I would argue that they are under using the product. H2O2 is not a one-off treatment. It will kill, on contact, both "good guy microbes" as well as the "bad guy microbes" but you have to continue to use it in order to derive any benefit.
It seems clear that, whatever the cause is, it's everywhere. It's in the water you use, it's on the surface of your buckets, your air stones, your air lines, your measuring tools and your stir sticks. All it needs is the proper conditions in order to flourish. It’s not something that your grow catches or comes down with. Therefore, there is no cure to be found. The best that you can hope for is suppression and control. Since, according to my encyclopedia, there are approximately 5×10 to the 30th bacteria on Earth - far outnumbering plants and animals - bacteria of some kind seem the most likely culprits.
Some grower's believe that a microbial tea is the answer. They argue that the "good guy microbes" within the tea will eat the "bad guys" mucking up your grow. Make no mistake; lots of growers do this and report great success. Brewing the tea appears to be a big friggin hassle though. First, you have to buy all the ingredients; worm shit, molasses, ZHO etc. Then brew the tea. Apparently, the tea has almost no shelf life, so if you go this route, you will be brewing this worm shit soup constantly. That will require a dedicated bucket, air pump and air stone set up also. To me, the very idea of introducing a brew made chiefly from worm shit and complex carbohydrates/sugars into my grow operation to combat a bacteria problem is just crazy. Conceptually. I can't get my mind around how trying to solve a bacterial infection/algae bloom with shit is the answer. Anybody else have trouble with this? The only thing I want growing in my op is weed.
The easiest, most cost effective way I have found to suppress root slime is to keep your DWC sterile using a few chemicals ideally suited for that purpose. I use an Iodophor sanitizer to clean and sterilize everything including my buckets, air stones, air lines, measuring tools and stir sticks at every res change. Iodophor is widely used as a sanitizer in the restaurant and brewing industries because its cheap, effective and fast. Just a two minute soak is all you need. It evaporates directly from liquid to gas as it dries and leaves no traces, tastes or odors. Then, I add a shot glass full (30 to 40 mils) of 35% strength H2O2 to each 5 gallon bucket (3 gallons of water) every 4 days. I have no slime issues and everything is always nice and clean.
Lots of guys talk about H2O2, but blow it off as ineffective. They use terms like "safe level" and "usual dose" but don't bother to explain what they think that a "safe level" or "usual dose" is. Has anyone ever seen a plant that suffered from too much H2O2? Me neither. I would argue that they are under using the product. H2O2 is not a one-off treatment. It will kill, on contact, both "good guy microbes" as well as the "bad guy microbes" but you have to continue to use it in order to derive any benefit.
And as it was said in the other post where you said exactly the same thing, this is bullshit.
First of all, cyanobacteriae are definately NOT algae, they are bacteria. Algae are eucariotes, cyanobacteria (and other bacteria) are procariotes.
Second, tea can stand in the frigge for a week without a problem. It has very short shelf life only at room temperature.
Third, it's very easy to do. I brew it every week and it's no work at all. Mix three ingredients, pour some water and leave it bubbling for 48 hours, then filter, use and store the rest in the fridge. Whole process takes 10 to 15 minutes of your time. You do need some equipment and you do need to read a bit, but its no science.
Fourth, there should be no sugar in well prepared EWC tea. Sugar is used up by the bacteria in your brew.
Fifth, it's not the worm shit, its the bacteria in worm shit, which are well known to be benneficial.
And most important, whatever you call it, it works. Many people have solved their problems by using microbial products.
First of all, cyanobacteriae are definately NOT algae, they are bacteria. Algae are eucariotes, cyanobacteria (and other bacteria) are procariotes.
Second, tea can stand in the frigge for a week without a problem. It has very short shelf life only at room temperature.
Third, it's very easy to do. I brew it every week and it's no work at all. Mix three ingredients, pour some water and leave it bubbling for 48 hours, then filter, use and store the rest in the fridge. Whole process takes 10 to 15 minutes of your time. You do need some equipment and you do need to read a bit, but its no science.
Fourth, there should be no sugar in well prepared EWC tea. Sugar is used up by the bacteria in your brew.
Fifth, it's not the worm shit, its the bacteria in worm shit, which are well known to be benneficial.
And most important, whatever you call it, it works. Many people have solved their problems by using microbial products.
Weedo Bandito
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Wait a minute... let me get this straight. You store your worm shit soup in the fridge? Along with your meats, cheeses, eggs and milk? You guys are even bigger nut jobs than I originally suspected. Tell me, do you label it "Worm Shit - Don't Drink" or just wing it and hope that the guests don't get into it thinking its brisk ice tea?
And, oh wow, you get a whole week of shelf life out of it? So, if you follow the directions and brew 2 gallons and then use 1 cup for every 10 gallons in your res once per week, what do you do with the leftovers? Even if you stretch it and get 2 res treatments per 2 gallon batch ... then what? That means, in a grow my size, I'm going to use 2 cups out of a 32 cup batch then pitch 95% of it down the drain? No thanks. As I said, your worm shit soup is a huge hassle. It's wasteful and inefficient.
Lastly, who gives a fuck? Prokaryotes or Eukaryotes. Certain death awaits them both in my grow room. And, it only takes me 2 shot glasses per week of H2O2. Even better, I can pour it straight from a bottle.
And, oh wow, you get a whole week of shelf life out of it? So, if you follow the directions and brew 2 gallons and then use 1 cup for every 10 gallons in your res once per week, what do you do with the leftovers? Even if you stretch it and get 2 res treatments per 2 gallon batch ... then what? That means, in a grow my size, I'm going to use 2 cups out of a 32 cup batch then pitch 95% of it down the drain? No thanks. As I said, your worm shit soup is a huge hassle. It's wasteful and inefficient.
Lastly, who gives a fuck? Prokaryotes or Eukaryotes. Certain death awaits them both in my grow room. And, it only takes me 2 shot glasses per week of H2O2. Even better, I can pour it straight from a bottle.
Weedo Bandito
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Sticks and stones Spanky.
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Hydroburn
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You can dump as much bleach and h2o2 on slimed roots as you want... it won't do dick to remove the slime. A shot glass of aquashield once a week is all you need. It's cheaper too. h2o2 dissipates in a few hours so adding it every few days isn't doing much, you could probably stop using it altogether and see the same results (ie: nothing)
Heisenberg
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I've never labeled myself as a grow guru, for the record. Please provide sources for your claim that cyanobacteria is algae. My source says
"Because they are photosynthetic and aquatic, cyanobacteria are often called "blue-green algae". This name is convenient for talking about organisms in the water that make their own food, but does not reflect any relationship between the cyanobacteria and other organisms called algae. Cyanobacteria are relatives of the bacteria, not eukaryotes, and it is only the chloroplast in eukaryotic algae to which the cyanobacteria are related."
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/bacteria/cyanointro.html
If the tea is too much hassle for you, then fair enough. No where do I claim that tea treatments are effortless, and they are meant to gain a measure of control, not to be a perpetual requirement for growing. Once an outbreak is handled, treatments are optional. Using laziness to support your point of view is not terrible persuasive.
An argument from incredulity. Just because you are unable to imagine something doesn't mean it's false. The concept of diversity and competition is what protects you from microbe infection on a daily basis. Your skin is covered in bacteria that help out compete pathogens, your mouth is full of bacteria that help displace decomposes, and "worm shit" is an integral part of any soil garden. If we shrugged off any concept which seems counter-intuitive to us, we would have to throw out the majority of scientific knowledge. Using your lack of imagination to support your point of view is not terribly persuasive.
Here is one example of how loss of diversity can lead to infection.
"The team reports this week in the journal Science Translational Medicine that sinusitis may be linked to the loss of normal microbial diversity within the sinuses following an infection and the subsequent colonization of the sinuses by the culprit bacterium, which is called Corynebacterium tuberculostearicum." http://www.ucsf.edu/news/2012/09/12718/sinusitis-linked-microbial-diversity
I have always been very upfront that the tea is for those who have tried everything else and failed. Many outbreaks of slime are resistant to sterilizers, unless we add amounts that would also kill plants. There are some who would say brewing tea is easier than constantly cleaning every piece of equipment and the entire growroom. I myself would argue that those things should be done anyway, but your assertion that sterilization is easier than brewing tea is not universal.
Again, the tea is meant for situations where slime resists h202 treatments. If you think h202 treatments are not detrimental to plants, then cite your source. If you have never seen proper levels of h202 recommended, then I question how much effort you could have put into research. The use of h202 is a risk vs benefit call.
Using inexperience as support for your point of view is not terrible persuasive.
The entire reason you mentioned cyanobacteria was to correct what you thought was a factual error. You were wrong, and now your defense is that facts don't matter? Using a double standard to support your point of view is not terribly persuasive.