++Hellraizers++ DO AND DONTs and in and outs of the ebb&grow/ebb&flow systems

dickkhead

Active Member
on a 4x4 flood table what would you guys use for pots? I was going to do the smart pots in one 4x4 and thinkin about doing mesh bottom pots in the other? both with coco medium or pro mix
 

nuglets

New Member
i think if you are on a table then go for mesh bottom pots. something like these:

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then you need to fill the tray with hydroton or coco. i have a buddy who grows this way and he get's great results. i've seen some info that says that when you give roots room to spread out in the tray then you get better plants and they ar more stable and stronger. just make sure you put enough hydroton or coco to give good cover for the roots.
 

dickkhead

Active Member
i think if you are on a table then go for mesh bottom pots. something like these:

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then you need to fill the tray with hydroton or coco. i have a buddy who grows this way and he get's great results. i've seen some info that says that when you give roots room to spread out in the tray then you get better plants and they ar more stable and stronger. just make sure you put enough hydroton or coco to give good cover for the roots.
Thanks for that! What size mesh pots? And don't u meant fill the pots with coco or hydroton not the trey?
 

phillipchristian

New Member
You fill the pot and the tray. If you fill the tray then the roots can spread out in the tray and you get larger, healthier plants in my opinion. If you just use the pots then your roots will just auto prune themselves. Plus it saves you on water and nutes cause you don't have to use as much to flood the tray.
 

dickkhead

Active Member
You fill the pot and the tray. If you fill the tray then the roots can spread out in the tray and you get larger, healthier plants in my opinion. If you just use the pots then your roots will just auto prune themselves. Plus it saves you on water and nutes cause you don't have to use as much to flood the tray.
No doubt sounds like a hell of a clean up lol. But what size mesh bottom pots #10 or #12 and how many?
 

phillipchristian

New Member
No doubt sounds like a hell of a clean up lol. But what size mesh bottom pots #10 or #12 and how many?
How many will depend on the size of your tray and the size of the plants you are growing. If you are growing small plants or SOG then you can fit more on a tray. If you grow larger plants like I do you can't fit as many per tray. It's not 100% accurate but I find that for every 2.5' you go vertical then you need 1sq.ft. horizontally. That's based on where your plants finish at harvest. So if you veg to 12" and your strain will get to 3' by harvest then figure you can fit 16 on a tray.

Pot size is basically the same. Bigger plants need bigger pots. You don't have to go that big in this setup though cause the medium in the tray acts like a support system as well. I grow 4-5' plants and use 8" pots.

The cleanup is not bad at all. After you harvest just let the tray soak in some water and Hygrozyme for a day. 15ml per Gallon. This will get the plant matter of the hydroton. Drain it and use the table to wash your hydroton. Just connect the drain fitting to a hose and drain to waste. Get a garden hose and rinse it all out.
 

dickkhead

Active Member
How many will depend on the size of your tray and the size of the plants you are growing. If you are growing small plants or SOG then you can fit more on a tray. If you grow larger plants like I do you can't fit as many per tray. It's not 100% accurate but I find that for every 2.5' you go vertical then you need 1sq.ft. horizontally. That's based on where your plants finish at harvest. So if you veg to 12" and your strain will get to 3' by harvest then figure you can fit 16 on a tray.

Pot size is basically the same. Bigger plants need bigger pots. You don't have to go that big in this setup though cause the medium in the tray acts like a support system as well. I grow 4-5' plants and use 8" pots.

The cleanup is not bad at all. After you harvest just let the tray soak in some water and Hygrozyme for a day. 15ml per Gallon. This will get the plant matter of the hydroton. Drain it and use the table to wash your hydroton. Just connect the drain fitting to a hose and drain to waste. Get a garden hose and rinse it all out.
Thanks for that I'm in a 4x4 trey
 

akpaco

Active Member
HR, I changed my res yesterday and added some aquashield and I already had some root excel.. My question is I'm going to start having to add back since my plants are using a lot of water.. Could you explain to me the best way to do this? Thanks in advance..
 

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
Sup akpaco this might seem a bit redneck way of doing it but there really no math.
i just wait till the res is about half full then add water, till its full. Before i add nutes
i take note how high the ppm was before i added water, then after. Normally at half
full it would be 1300 and after adding water it would be 900, so i would add 100ml of
grow 100ml of micro and 100ml bloom, then a 25ml shot of sensi cal b. this gets it back
to around 1100ish
 

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
Addin sugars or sweeting agents in my exp only cause a outbreak of bad bactiria in the ebb&grow systems, although im still
searching for a stable sweetener. Best thing i have came across is pinapple rush by GH, but beware!
 

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
Aquashield update! Almost week 4 and the res is the cleanest ive seen in a grip!
ph is still solid and water/nute uptake is off the chain.

Another thing i have done is back of flooding to x2 a day for 15min from x3 at 15min.
and no change in the rapid growth. Checked the roots and im geting a more soil type
roots by flooding less, lots of super fine hairs vs the long worm looking types. I feel this
is a better root!
 

akpaco

Active Member
HR, Thanks! I have started using aquashield. I'm currently watering 4 times in 12 hours. Should I cut that back? Everything seems to be going pretty good.
 
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