++Hellraizers++ DO AND DONTs and in and outs of the ebb&grow/ebb&flow systems
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hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
I root clones in growdan/rockwool cubes then transplat to either 4 or 6 in hugo blocks in a flood table then once there 18 in tall
i move then to ebb&grow buckets and flip them to flower the same day.
i move then to ebb&grow buckets and flip them to flower the same day.
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
You could veg them in your ebb, i just do it the way i do to aviod vegging under hids, I like t5 for veg.
not really sure how much room you have? Do you have a bloom room and veg room?
not really sure how much room you have? Do you have a bloom room and veg room?
Just one room.. But I do have a small tent with LED's where I was vegging when I was using dirt.. It would be nice to cut down on veg time but I will have to veg for a little while in my room no matter what. I guess what I need to know is what to put my clones in so at some point I can transplant them into my ebb and gro pots and hydroton? Can I put the growdan in my pots with the hydroton?
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
Well ideal setup would be to have your clones in just the inner bucket. while they veg! But if space is a issue i would do a drain to waist, in 6in pot with growdan and put like 1in of hydrotron on the bottom. Water like once a day, reason i say growdan is you can hand water and not take a chance on them drying out! Plus you can use all kinds of bennys to jack them roots up. And drain to waist
will help with space not having a res tank! For the best lighting you might want to get a t5 lighting setup if your planning on using your small tent to do this in.
So veg them in growdan 6in pots, and transplant to the ebb in hydrotron.
Hope this helps
will help with space not having a res tank! For the best lighting you might want to get a t5 lighting setup if your planning on using your small tent to do this in.
So veg them in growdan 6in pots, and transplant to the ebb in hydrotron.
Hope this helps
I should have the room to put my clones in the inner buckets. So then do you put your clones in a rapid rooter or root shooter plugs then into your inner buckets with hydroton or do you take your clones then put them directly into hydroton? Sorry for all the questions! Thanks
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
My clones are already rooted in r/w cubes
Do you use a cloner?
Do you use a cloner?
markybuds
Well-Known Member
theres no need to ever adjust your ph when using ph perfect.
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
I disagree if it goes outside 6.5 but thats my 2cents never let it go so maybe your right
No cloner.. In the past I would take clones in root shooter plugs then put them into dirt. But now that I'm using ebb and gro with hydroton I'm not sure what is the best option for my setup? Can I put the clones in r/w cubes then put them into bigger r/w cubes and veg them for a while then put bigger cube right into the hydroton?
I talked to someone at AN. He told me you do not need to adjust the PH at all when using PH perfect. He also mentioned that it could possibly be detrimental to do so. He also said the plants could uptake nutes as low as 4.0. Nut sure I would be comfortable with that myself. I will give it a try and not adjust my PH. After I mix my nutes I'm right around 5.9-6.0 anyway.Just FYI..
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
Yep you can paco, and if you want you can use rootshooters and go strait to hydrotron to
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
Yep rootshooters then inner buckets then off to the bloom room in the ebb system
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
Not geting what your asking?
nuglets
New Member
there's 2 types of ebb&flow systems. tables and individual grow sites (buckets). you can usually grow bigger plants in the buckets and you can set them up how you like.
brightskies
Member
Flooding in 68 seconds every 60 minutes...
Been lurking and learning here for a long time, my thanks to all. Still a rookie, always playing around and having just a little too much fun! Here's my latest creation. All feedback is encouraged, especially the constructive type! I already have a list going for next time.
It takes 68 seconds to flood all four 5-gal pots filled with hydroton (one pot has since been removed). Then they soak for about 30 seconds before taking 2 minutes to drain. The 1/3 hp utility pump on a 1 1/4" line blasts water into the controller bucket, creating a lot of surface tension and bubbles as it fills. Each pot is served by two direct 3/4 inch lines. All straight connectors, no nineties. Standing next to the pots, you can hear air gurgling through the lines as the water rushes to fill the buckets. The "drain" uses 3 smaller pumps and is a little slower.
Control bucket= Rubbermaid 20 gal. garbage can. 3/4 inch bulkhead fittings from hydro store. I only have 8 bulkheads installed, but it could accommodate many more all the way around. The bottom of this garbage can is really nice too, since there is a kind of gutter around the bottom, allowing the 3 pumps in the middle to be almost dry while still sucking water from the outer gutter.
Buckets= 5 gal buckets with TWO 3/4" holes/grommets in each. I'm running 3 under a 1k.
Float Switches= They are adjustable up and down, sliding on an acrylic rod and can be locked in any position. The float switch stand assembly sits somewhat freely in the bottom of the bucket, with the top rod extending through a tight hole in the rubbermaid lid to give it supprt. It is a somewhat fragile assembly, but I've never broken it. Even when I thought I should have! It came with the controller. No need to drill holes for the floats and the wires come out of the top.
Controller= Remote mounted on the wall. It works great, the only negative is the red led readout that is on for a bit of time before lights on. A little duct tape minimizes that. The controller itself is on a regular timer to prevent it from coming on during the dark period. Flood frequency adjusts from 1-999 minutes. Once the controller bucket is filled, there is an adjustable soak time of 1-999 seconds. It also has a one-button cycle feature which allows you to turn it on without having to mess with your settings. Once it is emptied, the flood frequency timer resets. It does not have a "slosh" feature. Once the float switches trip, that's it until the next cycle. So, you have to do a small bit of adjustment at set-up to get the right flood level in the pots themselves. I set my flood level so that the 4" rockwool block stays dry. So far, it has barely deviated from the original level I set; even with all of the root growth now in the pots. Not to mention that I somehow put the starts in a couple of inches too low in the hydroton/pot this time when they were babies and lost a couple of inches in flood height Definitely not a perfect run this time. They don't seem to care!
Flooding= A 1/3 hp utility pump, like a sump pump. The pump I got on amazon has a 1 1/4" output fitting, not all do. I also run a small 300 gph pump on a 1/2" line for back-up, in case the big pump fails.
Draining= Three 350 gph pumps in the control bucket for draining, all on 1/2" lines going back to the reservoir. But, I'm going to try to run another big pump for draining on the next run.
This is the first run with this new set-up; and the second run with this Dutchgrown Dieselrella plant. Last time, I grew one clone in a 2 gal. and another clone in a 5 gal. pot, using two "regular" control buckets. The 5 gallon plant grew significantly bigger. This new system seems to be blowing that one away so far.
Here's some pics. I just got done replacing a bad pump and see a couple of things I didn't put back into place just right:
All 3 plants are a Dutchgrown Dieselrella: cut/clone +18 days on T5, 15 veg with 1k, day 32 flw today. Last time, this plant took about 70 days flw to finish. She is vigorous!
Been lurking and learning here for a long time, my thanks to all. Still a rookie, always playing around and having just a little too much fun! Here's my latest creation. All feedback is encouraged, especially the constructive type! I already have a list going for next time.
It takes 68 seconds to flood all four 5-gal pots filled with hydroton (one pot has since been removed). Then they soak for about 30 seconds before taking 2 minutes to drain. The 1/3 hp utility pump on a 1 1/4" line blasts water into the controller bucket, creating a lot of surface tension and bubbles as it fills. Each pot is served by two direct 3/4 inch lines. All straight connectors, no nineties. Standing next to the pots, you can hear air gurgling through the lines as the water rushes to fill the buckets. The "drain" uses 3 smaller pumps and is a little slower.
Control bucket= Rubbermaid 20 gal. garbage can. 3/4 inch bulkhead fittings from hydro store. I only have 8 bulkheads installed, but it could accommodate many more all the way around. The bottom of this garbage can is really nice too, since there is a kind of gutter around the bottom, allowing the 3 pumps in the middle to be almost dry while still sucking water from the outer gutter.
Buckets= 5 gal buckets with TWO 3/4" holes/grommets in each. I'm running 3 under a 1k.
Float Switches= They are adjustable up and down, sliding on an acrylic rod and can be locked in any position. The float switch stand assembly sits somewhat freely in the bottom of the bucket, with the top rod extending through a tight hole in the rubbermaid lid to give it supprt. It is a somewhat fragile assembly, but I've never broken it. Even when I thought I should have! It came with the controller. No need to drill holes for the floats and the wires come out of the top.
Controller= Remote mounted on the wall. It works great, the only negative is the red led readout that is on for a bit of time before lights on. A little duct tape minimizes that. The controller itself is on a regular timer to prevent it from coming on during the dark period. Flood frequency adjusts from 1-999 minutes. Once the controller bucket is filled, there is an adjustable soak time of 1-999 seconds. It also has a one-button cycle feature which allows you to turn it on without having to mess with your settings. Once it is emptied, the flood frequency timer resets. It does not have a "slosh" feature. Once the float switches trip, that's it until the next cycle. So, you have to do a small bit of adjustment at set-up to get the right flood level in the pots themselves. I set my flood level so that the 4" rockwool block stays dry. So far, it has barely deviated from the original level I set; even with all of the root growth now in the pots. Not to mention that I somehow put the starts in a couple of inches too low in the hydroton/pot this time when they were babies and lost a couple of inches in flood height Definitely not a perfect run this time. They don't seem to care!
Flooding= A 1/3 hp utility pump, like a sump pump. The pump I got on amazon has a 1 1/4" output fitting, not all do. I also run a small 300 gph pump on a 1/2" line for back-up, in case the big pump fails.
Draining= Three 350 gph pumps in the control bucket for draining, all on 1/2" lines going back to the reservoir. But, I'm going to try to run another big pump for draining on the next run.
This is the first run with this new set-up; and the second run with this Dutchgrown Dieselrella plant. Last time, I grew one clone in a 2 gal. and another clone in a 5 gal. pot, using two "regular" control buckets. The 5 gallon plant grew significantly bigger. This new system seems to be blowing that one away so far.
Here's some pics. I just got done replacing a bad pump and see a couple of things I didn't put back into place just right:
All 3 plants are a Dutchgrown Dieselrella: cut/clone +18 days on T5, 15 veg with 1k, day 32 flw today. Last time, this plant took about 70 days flw to finish. She is vigorous!
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
Thanks for stoping by! Nice setup! Got to take in what you got going lol