LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

[PetFlora]

I was thinking the same thing. No I don't have a store front yet. I could but this just happened I wasn't ready. I just called the factory to locate a local dealer and the lead scientist happened to pick up the phone. In this case you are testing a new tube for a product line that will be available everywhere. These are hand made and not in production yet so they are it. I am talking in the mail Monday or Tuesday. I can speak to him on Monday re drop shipping. How can I PM on this site? I can't find the button. I agree I would prefer to not put everything that needs to be discussed up here.

Hmmmm. I have been in close contact with Jeff Saghy at UVL for several months, who says HE spearheads the 660 project. I was hoping to get a couple free bulbs in exchange for info provided and some postings. Once the bulbs arrived last week, he shot me an email telling me they are $25 per. I reminded him of goods exchanged for postings. He came back saying he went to the CEO who said no freebies. I declined. And they could have put 2 into the package I received from them yesterday with my finally replaced 3 Red Lifes. So I'm guessing that they had no takers at $25 per, and coincidentally, you called.

Part of me wants to give Jeff a piece of my mind, but will keep quiet for now to see whether you actually get free bulbs. I definitely want 2 660s, if they are free.

 

[PetFlora]

What would be the best bulb for veg and flower combined? I've done quite a bit of skimming through this thread and have yet to find an answer. All I really want is one bulb type that can be purchased at a reasonable price. No mixing blues and reds ect. The only thing (I've yet to find anyways) was fiji purple or something. Haven't had enough time to properly research the subject or read all 300 sum odd pages of this thread. Your help would be greatly appreciated.

I guess you never heard the phrase "Jack of All trades, a Master of None". Why do farmers plant in the Spring and harvest in the Fall? The Suns light is completely different, as are weather conditions. The slight warmth combined with blue dominant sun rays is conducive to growing seedlings into plants, whereas cooler weather and warmer spectrums are conducive to flower/fruits. Without these differences neither plants nor fruits will reach their genetic potential.

Next, we now know that Sats prefer blue dom light, whereas Indicas prefer red dom. So your choice of plant alone will have an impact.

Lets use ZooMed FloraSuns as an example: decent blue and vg red through 650. You may be able to get away with 650 during veg, but it is likely to send plants into flower prematurely. It's a great bulb to introduce near the end of the grow stage for say ~ 2 weeks then compliment with Red Lifes (630) + 660s assuming they Ge R Dun. Adding Coral waves provides uvB + IR which are very important in small quantities.

What's my point? This thread is about how to max yield AND quality. You don't get that by expecting one bulb to do all be all.

 

[PetFlora]

BTW, just curious, do you do odor control at all? The whole room instead of the tent, or what? I know Florida is not exactly a 'friendly' place for these sorts of things so I figured you must have the whole room filtered...?

No odor control. House sits well away from nosy noses. If it was an issue I would get a scrubber for the room

 

[AltarNation]

No odor control. House sits well away from nosy noses. If it was an issue I would get a scrubber for the room

Coolies... guess you don't have a lot of house guests? Or do you vent out a window and the house stays fresh otherwise? I have a nice spot for keeping away from noses for the most part, but still worry about house guests and maintenance people and stuff like that!

 

[AltarNation]

I guess you never heard the phrase "Jack of All trades, a Master of None". Why do farmers plant in the Spring and harvest in the Fall? The Suns light is completely different, as are weather conditions. The slight warmth combined with blue dominant sun rays is conducive to growing seedlings into plants, whereas cooler weather and warmer spectrums are conducive to flower/fruits. Without these differences neither plants nor fruits will reach their genetic potential.

Next, we now know that Sats prefer blue dom light, whereas Indicas prefer red dom. So your choice of plant alone will have an impact.

Lets use ZooMed FloraSuns as an example: decent blue and vg red through 650. You may be able to get away with 650 during veg, but it is likely to send plants into flower prematurely. It's a great bulb to introduce near the end of the grow stage for say ~ 2 weeks then compliment with Red Lifes (630) + 660s assuming they Ge R Dun. Adding Coral waves provides uvB + IR which are very important in small quantities.

What's my point? This thread is about how to max yield AND quality. You don't get that by expecting one bulb to do all be all.

Good post. ++ agree!! This thread is not for those looking to take the easy road!

One question, I never haerd that Sativas prefer blue dominant! Is that for veg only or both?? Still should swing towards red for flowering right? Just not as far as you would with indicas or something?

 

[hyroot]

Hmmmm. I have been in close contact with Jeff Saghy at UVL for several months, who says HE spearheads the 660 project. I was hoping to get a couple free bulbs in exchange for info provided and some postings. Once the bulbs arrived last week, he shot me an email telling me they are $25 per. I reminded him of goods exchanged for postings. He came back saying he went to the CEO who said no freebies. I declined. And they could have put 2 into the package I received from them yesterday with my finally replaced 3 Red Lifes. So I'm guessing that they had no takers at $25 per, and coincidentally, you called.

Part of me wants to give Jeff a piece of my mind, but will keep quiet for now to see whether you actually get free bulbs. I definitely want 2 660s, if they are free.

So does that mean they are done with the testing phase? Will be in stores soon? Once a price is figured out.....

 

[AltarNation]

So does that mean they are done with the testing phase? Will be in stores soon? Once a price is figured out.....

Sounds like we're about to enter the first phase of hands-on testing but that they are going to charge us 25 dollars a bulb to do so. Not sure what the logic is there, honestly, but I'm willing to pay for all-red bulbs so what ever. Cost just as much for the Red Lifes.

I'm talking to cjd about possibly getting at least a guarantee with that... so that if the 660nm bulbs fail maybe they could be replaced with the same number of UVL Red Lifes as a guarantee.

 

[cjd]

hyroot,
This would be the 1st and maybe the only needed "real world" test. If nothing comes up in our testing you are testing what will be sold. The line is a couple of months out. The 25.00 +/- should be the retail price. This is only part of an entire line of Horticulture bulbs and will not be sold thru their current dealers. There are 4 more that have not been spoken for. They are exactly 658nm 54w @48" and they are 25.00 ea.

 

[AltarNation]

Thumbs up cjd... someone take those last 4 so we can see some action

 

[hammer21]

Have some questions for the t5 pros getting ready to launch my dual 16 bulb badboys after reading this whole thread got questions
1.trying to get the perfect par with multi different spectrums bulbs is this hurting the grow because you have to raise the lights so high to get the mixture you are after by doing this you are getting less lumens?
2. Would it be better to use just 2 types of bulbs with the spectrum you are after may not be perfect but close and get better lumens?
3. A lot of places are selling 46 inch bulbs and 48 inch bulbs all say 54 watt are some measuring the bulbs and some are measuring the fixture are they the same and will all fit my badboys?
thanks all

 

[PetFlora]

Hammer: The fixtrures are 48". I have a BB, it uses 46" bulbs, they are 54 watts

I am using 3 different bulbs in veg (total of 6) Once they bulk up, I will add 2 more bulbs

 

[PetFlora]

To pay $50 for the 660s when FloraSuns already have a nice 650-700 spike did not make sense to me for my 8 bulb set up- 6 of which cover a broad red range. Now if I was starting from scratch, I would not have a variety of bulbs I now have.

ZooMed FloraSuns (nice 650-660 + tapering off into 700) + Red Lifes (630) + Coral Waves with small but useful 700+. This combination already provides a strong wide red band plus sufficient B/G during flower

I would need to replace my FloraSuns with maybe UVL AquaSuns (good B/G spike) or ATI Special Blue Actinic (both of which I have) to fill in the B/G that the FloraSuns also provide- then use the Red Lifes + 660s + Coral Waves. I think these 2 bulbs sets would make for a good A/B, but for me it requires another 8 bulb fixture to run a ligit side-by-side ++++ more plants. Now if they gave me the bulbs, I would begin to put that together

 

[PetFlora]

Has anyone seen reasonable priced end-caps or ballasts for T5 lighting? I want to wire up my own under-lighting, but I'm fairly poor.

Go back into this thread. Pr0f posted a place for kits/parts

 

[kpmarine]

Go back into this thread. Pr0f posted a place for kits/parts

I have no trouble finding parts, I was seeing if anyone knew a place that was particularly low-priced.

 

[hyroot]

So how do we or I go about getting these uvl 660 bulbs......? whether be testers or not. Even before I ever order anything online. I read everything I can find on a store and/or site that I can find. To see if they're reputable or not. Im very weary of where I buy from.

 

[AltarNation]

hyroot, cjd has been discussing an arrangement with me via PM but I can't vouch for his legitimacy. I'm honestly probably just going to risk it and hope paypal saves my ass if it ends up being a scam or something. None the less, he's looking for someone to take the last of what he has available. It would be nice if we had some way of being assured of his legitimacy but I don't know what can be done really.

 

[jsamuel24]

Fliping the switch tomarrow after I wake up. Changed bulbs to flower today and finished getting my spidermites (Damed clones) sorted out for the time being. Now to pray they dont come back and put me on the defense again. Tomarrow gonna set up my SLR camera and take new photos with the great lenses instead of my Iphone like my last few have been. Planing on making a time laps of the Flowering cycle I think. I am not enjoying these last two days. Fighting spider mites, not being able to smoke since I have a DT before my interview with Apple on tuesday. Yay for cleansers, now I just hope it works lol. Post more tomarrow.

 

[PetFlora]

AN: UV Lighting is a for real company. I have had many discussions with Jeff Saghy. It was his idea to develop a line of horticulture bulbs. They would have sold me direct. You could call them direct as easily as cjd did.

jsam: When you get clones, place in a bag, and dust them in DE. Remove and put stems in water. After 15 minutes, shake off the DE and submerge them in 3% H2O2 for like 5-10 minutes. That should kill damn near anything, and totally non-toxic.

 

[AltarNation]

AN: UV Lighting is a for real company. I have had many discussions with Jeff Saghy. It was his idea to develop a line of horticulture bulbs. They would have sold me direct. You could call them direct as easily as cjd did.

It's not UVL I'm worried about, but the poster with 15 posts who claims to be able to middle man. (no offense cjd, just being cautious) But you're right, I could call up UVL and ask them about whether or not this arrangement is already in progress. That could ease my mind for sure. I'm not sure who cjd's been speaking with though... he didn't indicate it was the same guy as you necessarily. I guess I'll just call them up and ask about a direct purchase arrangement for the ones I was going to grab, that would be safer.

 

[AltarNation]

Hey PF, I am trying to respond to your PM but your box is full. Clear some out so I can send ya a response