When I Hear People Talk about Welfare

[Harrekin]

firstly im sure there are alot of reasons a person may not be able to work, such as mental or physical illness. secondly the woman in the article was not on welfare but rather unemployment. lastly, if you think being on welfare OR unemployment are so great you should give it a shot, and please tell us how it goes.

Not everywhere is the US genius, over here disability, unemployment, etc is called Social Welfare so you can stfu with your stupid semantics argument, the woman in that article left work because welfare was slightly worth more that she was earning as a waitress. So now the people left grinding are paying for her to walk on beaches and wake up late because she chose to quit? Her boyfriend is at the same thing.

Is that where you want your country to end up?

 

[desert dude]

"Is that where you want your country to end up? "

No.

 

[Harrekin]

"Is that where you want your country to end up? "

No.

Well then the Welfare State model some people here applaud is a proven fallacy. It promotes a phenomenon know as "Welfare Dependency" or is referred to as a "poverty trap". It doesn't help people at all, it makes them subservient and lazy.

You don't even have to believe me, it's not hypothetical, it's proven and I only gave one example out of thousands in a country with only 400,000 recipients. That's what you call "rampant".

 

[mame]

Well then the Welfare State model some people here applaud is a proven fallacy. It promotes a phenomenon know as "Welfare Dependency" or is referred to as a "poverty trap". It doesn't help people at all, it makes them subservient and lazy.

You don't even have to believe me, it's not hypothetical, it's proven and I only gave one example out of thousands in a country with only 400,000 recipients. That's what you call "rampant".

No, it doesn't; Try not to present opinions (or in this case, propaganda) as fact. That BS about "welfare dependency" is so overblown that it can only compare to a fat chicks period panties...

 

[Harrekin]

No, it doesn't; Try not to present opinions (or in this case, propaganda) as fact. That BS about "welfare dependency" is so overblown that it can only compare to a fat chicks period panties...

Yeah, youre really gonna try say that to a guy who has known a multitude of people who have purposely had children to guarantee a cheque weekly and basically free housing (in private housing areas)? Don't bullshit me with your propaganda, socialism is stealing from some to pay the lazy so they vote for you.

EDIT: As I said before, I support optional social insurance to help people who have paid in but fall upon bad times, but "welfare entitlement" in countries that have it has become generational man. This is fact, you can't dispute it.

 

[mame]

Yeah, youre really gonna try say that to a guy who has known a multitude of people who have purposely had children to guarantee a cheque weekly and basically free housing (in private housing areas)? Don't bullshit me with your propaganda, socialism is stealing from some to pay the lazy so they vote for you.

It's funny how your worldview can only be supported by anecdotal evidence. Can you produce any (credible) evidence to support your assertion or are you going to rely on the famous Ronald Reagan argument? Did you know that they never found the Welfare Queen?

This is fact, you can't dispute it.

No, it is not and yes I can dispute it.

 

[Gastanker]

"Although the numbers show that Whites get the biggest chunk of public aid dollars, welfare critics still charge that Blacks shouldn’t collect 33 percent of welfare benefits when they only make up 12 percent of the general population."

So whites compromise 66% of the population while blacks are 12%. Can you imagine if 181% of the welfare budget was being spent on whites? Pretty sure people would be outraged if whites were using near 3x their quota of welfare dollars...

"Among the poorest of the poor–single mothers, living below the poverty line with minor children to support 39.7 percent of AFDC clients are Black single mothers and 38.1 percent are White women with children."

Wait... so if 66% of the population is white while 12% is black that means that black single mothers are 550% more likely to receive support than white single mothers?

I'm no racists but you can't claim that whites claim benefits at the same rate that "blacks" claim benefits. My source is the obamacrat - a pro obama web site. http://theobamacrat.com/2012/01/05/welfare-recipients-which-race-gets-more-benefits/

 

[UncleBuck]

"Although the numbers show that Whites get the biggest chunk of public aid dollars, welfare critics still charge that Blacks shouldn’t collect 33 percent of welfare benefits when they only make up 12 percent of the general population."

So whites compromise 66% of the population while blacks are 12%. Can you imagine if 181% of the welfare budget was being spent on whites? Pretty sure people would be outraged if whites were using 3x their quota of welfare dollars...

"Among the poorest of the poor–single mothers, living below the poverty line with minor children to support 39.7 percent of AFDC clients are Black single mothers and 38.1 percent are White women with children."

Wait... so if 66% of the population is white while 12% is black that means that black single mothers are 550% more likely to receive support than white single mothers?

I'm no racists but you can't claim that whites claim benefits at the same rate that "blacks" claim benefits. My source is the obamacrat - a pro obama web site. http://theobamacrat.com/2012/01/05/welfare-recipients-which-race-gets-more-benefits/

you must not be familiar with the history of america.

 

[Gastanker]

you must not be familiar with the history of america.

Pretty sure the poor Koreans, Chinese, Mexicans, Indians, Pakistanis... that immigrate to the US are at even more of a disadvantage than the blacks of the US... I guess their hardword and statistics don't count though when considering the years of oppression that occurred generations and generations ago? Give me a break.

When will the "white man is holding me back" argument die? 1000 years? I honestly never hear any other races using it anymore. I can see it in 100o years; "The Chinese and Indians are holding me back man, it's not my fault."

 

[UncleBuck]

Pretty sure the poor Koreans, Chinese, Mexicans, Indians, Pakistanis... that immigrate to the US are at even more of a disadvantage than the blacks of the US... I guess their hardword and statistics don't count though when considering the years of oppression that occurred generations and generations ago? Give me a break.

When will the "white man is holding me back" argument die? 1000 years? I honestly never hear any other races using it. I can see it in 100o years; "The Chinese and Indians are holding me back man, it's not my fault."

i guess you're right.

must be something about the melanin in their skin that makes black people inherently lazy welfare bums.

thank you for pointing this out to me.

 

[NLXSK1]

• must be something about the melanin in their skin that makes black people inherently lazy welfare bums.​

  
  
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Or the government repeatedly telling them they are entitled.

 

[UncleBuck]

Or the government repeatedly telling them they are entitled.

i am very entitled to food stamps based on my earnings, but i don't use them. must be because i am white and don't have an entitlement mentality.

according to you, black people have an entitlement mentality. those are your words.

can either you or gastanker explain to me what it is about having some extra melanin in your skin equals an entitlement mentality?

 

[PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1]

If there was no "Welfare" there would be "Chaos",,,IMO!!!

 

[Gastanker]

i guess you're right.

must be something about the melanin in their skin that makes black people inherently lazy welfare bums.

thank you for pointing this out to me.

I'm not saying they are lazy but there definitely seems to be a different regard to welfare between races. I hang out with my white friends and some will ashamedly admit to being on welfare or unemployment to which the others may understand but are not approving. I hang out with my Korean friends and it will NEVER EVER come up as they would never accept handouts from the government - you go to family, and then friends, and then starve if need be. My Hispanic friends will accept WIC for the most part but shy away from anything else. By black friends sit around bragging about how much they get and eagerly share information on how to receive more benefits. They aren't lazy about it - many spend hours and hours researching how to get more from the government. Just a very different mentality.

I cannot explain to you this entitlement mentality - makes no sense to me. You would be surprised at how many of my friends have questioned me on why I don't receive benefits - it's happened multiple times but from only one race of friends... Just an honest observation. Again hard to deny statistically.

 

[mame]

lolTHAT'S RACIST!!!1!

 

[NLXSK1]

i am very entitled to food stamps based on my earnings, but i don't use them. must be because i am white and don't have an entitlement mentality.

according to you, black people have an entitlement mentality. those are your words.

can either you or gastanker explain to me what it is about having some extra melanin in your skin equals an entitlement mentality?

I just wrote the words in front of your face.

The government repeatedly telling black people that they are entitled to things.

Edit: It is not just the government...

 

[Gastanker]

87.4% of the identity theft fishing e-mails I receive on my server come from Nigerian IP addresses. These are statistics - I'm not saying all Nigerians are thieves, or that even 87% are or even 15%, but you would be a fool to say that the majority of fishing e-mails don't originate from Nigeria. Make sense?

 

[Harrekin]

Hey before I get called a racist, I'm talking about my experiences here in Ireland(a full blown "Welfare State", where you guys are aspiring to be), where something like 99.8% of welfare claimants are white.

So maybe let's keep the stupid "you're racist" shit out of it.

 

[NLXSK1]

Hey before I get called a racist, I'm talking about my experiences here in Ireland(a full blown "Welfare State", where you guys are aspiring to be), where something like 99.8% of welfare claimants are white.

So maybe let's keep the stupid "you're racist" shit out of it.

I agree actually... Plenty of white people are being told they are entitled by government as well. Look at occupy wall street...

 

[desert dude]

Hey before I get called a racist, I'm talking about my experiences here in Ireland(a full blown "Welfare State", where you guys are aspiring to be), where something like 99.8% of welfare claimants are white.

So maybe let's keep the stupid "you're racist" shit out of it.

C'mon, Harrekin, if they can't call you "racist" they generally have nothing to say at all. You're not trying to stifle conversation, are you?