Ron Paul Has A Legit Shot.

[Purplestickeypunch]

wanna bet $10,000 dollars on that?

LOL @ Unclebuck Romney

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Well no, you're delusional. Polling is a lot like asking 10 people at a grocery store, except instead of 10, it's 10s of thousands which is more accurate. And in those polls Paul is finishing a very strong 3rd place. So he's not there yet, but I think the odds that he'll get there are very high at this point.

You don't work with polling or know much about statistics? All polls are 95% confidence with a +/-2.5% (or larger error), which would give a 1,537 sample size, or less. For a 99% confidence and +/-1% error, would give a 16,640 sample size. No one does that level of confidence unless you're doing high level precision manufacturing.

What counts most is a random sample selection. So even 20,000 people from a grocery store wouldn't cut it. Not even tens of thousands, if the sample is from a biased area. Say San Francisco, California vs Keene, New Hampshire for who would vote Ron Paul.

 

[Purplestickeypunch]

I don't think you understand what the supply of oil we have in America is like Vs the supply in the middle east. In the middle east, all the oil in near the surface and in the form of relatively pure crude oil. To get to most of the American oil supply you'd literally have to knock down and remove the rocky mountains. Then once you'd do that you'd end up with oil in rock form mixed with other minerals. Then you'd have to go through an extended refining and purification process way beyond anything we do now in order to get it to the point where it can be used as gasoline.

The reason we aren't doing that now is because it's actually cheaper to buy it from Saudi Arabia at cartel pricing and ship it to America. That's why oil companies have millions of acres of drilling leases that they aren't even using right now. It's not because we aren't letting them drill or because there is no oil. It's because most American oil is so damn expensive to get out of the ground and purify, that's it's not cost effective.

One day we will have to tap into all that oil, but that day is not today. Gas needs to be $10-15 dollars per gallon before oil companies will have any interest in it.

Huh. Funny I've read that the majority of our oil is in the Dakotas. Some say there is more there than in the middle east combined. It would make sense since we've been siting on it while they have been sucking it out.

And who says oil companies have to get involved? We would have a massive influx of troops that need things to do. Put them to work drilling for oil of shore or on land. Fuck the oil companies that are tied into other countries. We are still thanking BP for screwing up by the way.

 

[spandy]

http://www.dailypaul.com/192428/the-ad-that-will-guarantee-ron-paul-iowa

 

[sync0s]

It's not the polling % that's important here. You're right, those numbers do not represent an accurate statistic of what an actual vote would look like.

What they do tell us which is fairly reliable is that Romney is clearly trending down, Newt has peaked and seems like he's may start to decline, and Paul is holding strong, trending up. I find that to be very credible.

Elections are all about timing and momentum. Seems like republican voters are giving the candidates all "their turn" as the front runner, sort of like an audition. It's been Romney, Bachmann, Perry, Cain, now Newt. Seems very likely it's going to be Pauls turn next. And when it is Pauls turn, he's not going to have the same problems the other front runners have had. Paul isn't a say one thing do another type like Newt or Romney. He doesn't make gaffs like Newt, Perry, Bachmann, and Cain. He's not retarded like Perry and Bachmann. And if he can achieve front runner status in the next few weeks, he's going to do it at exactly the right time, when the voting starts. That's really the only time the polling is really crucial.

Basically, Paul doesn't have the same fundamental flaws the other candidates have. For that reason any popularity gains made by Paul are WAY more likely to become permanent. People aren't going to hear what Paul says, agree with it, and then later off discover something else he did they don't like. IF Paul can become the front runner I think there is a 95% chance he'll win the nomination unlike the other candidates who tend to go up or down in the polls.

The same things that have kept Ron Paul at a low popularity level to this point are the exact same things which are likely to make him a lock if he can achieve front runner status in the polls. Does that make sense?

No, I totally agree with you.

Let's hope you're right, because if Gingrich pulls the momentum to Iowa... or if the war monger neo-con Santorum get's the spotlight next... the Republicans are doomed.

 

[UncleBuck]

LOL @ Unclebuck Romney

LOL @ you saying that my parents will not get SS checks. or me for that matter. the fund is good until 2037 as is, 2084 at reduced benefits.

raise the cap and its good forever. but you go on with your hyperboles and exaggerations, don't allow reality to stand in your way.

 

[UncleBuck]

No, I totally agree with you.

Let's hope you're right, because if Gingrich pulls the momentum to Iowa... or if the war monger neo-con Santorum get's the spotlight next... the Republicans are doomed.

prepare for frothiness.

 

[Dan Kone]

You don't work with polling or know much about statistics? All polls are 95% confidence with a +/-2.5% (or larger error), which would give a 1,537 sample size, or less. For a 99% confidence and +/-1% error, would give a 16,640 sample size. No one does that level of confidence unless you're doing high level precision manufacturing.

What counts most is a random sample selection. So even 20,000 people from a grocery store wouldn't cut it. Not even tens of thousands, if the sample is from a biased area. Say San Francisco, California vs Keene, New Hampshire for who would vote Ron Paul.

Yeah, dude. I don't remember saying anything the contradicts that, so completely unnecessary to proclaim I don't understand how polling works. f- off

 

[Dan Kone]

Huh. Funny I've read that the majority of our oil is in the Dakotas. Some say there is more there than in the middle east combined. It would make sense since we've been siting on it while they have been sucking it out.

It's estimated we have 100-200 years worth of oil supply.

And who says oil companies have to get involved? We would have a massive influx of troops that need things to do. Put them to work drilling for oil of shore or on land. Fuck the oil companies that are tied into other countries. We are still thanking BP for screwing up by the way.

That wouldn't likely reduce the cost of extraction/refining enough to the point where it'd be cheaper than the Saudi/Canadian/Mexican oil we use now.

It's good that we have that supply. We'll likely need it in the future. Pulling all the worlds oil out of the ground RIGHT NOW would likely just give us a temporary price reduction at the cost of future scarcities. Let the middle east pull up all their oil. When they are out we'll be flush with oil and by then oil will be much more valuable.

 

[sync0s]

Someone should build a tank that runs on Mcdonalds grease... that way when the world calls American's fat, we can just kill them....

 

[Harrekin]

It's estimated we have 100-200 years worth of oil supply.



That wouldn't likely reduce the cost of extraction/refining enough to the point where it'd be cheaper than the Saudi/Canadian/Mexican oil we use now.

It's good that we have that supply. We'll likely need it in the future. Pulling all the worlds oil out of the ground RIGHT NOW would likely just give us a temporary price reduction at the cost of future scarcities. Let the middle east pull up all their oil. When they are out we'll be flush with oil and by then oil will be much more valuable.

As price goes up demand goes down, as demand goes down the price goes down again and generally stabilises somewhere in the lower middle. Don't leave it too long to drill up is all I'm saying

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Yeah, dude. I don't remember saying anything the contradicts that, so completely unnecessary to proclaim I don't understand how polling works. f- off

1,600 is a lot less than, "except instead of 10, it's 10s of thousands which is more accurate." You're the one mocking that other guy and seem to think an astronomical sample size is any more accurate. But that's ok? Then when called on it say you already knew and fuck off.

On top of that you make a thread bitching about what happened to Bush against Obama. Bush was so hated many people chanted, "anyone but Bush!" Lots more people hate Obama. It's just the MSM are trying to hide it and others are afraid of being called racist. Obama's ineptness is the same difference between tens of thousands and 1,600 compared to Bush. But the whole lot of you fell for it. Just because he had political correctness. Rather than your side trying to find another candidate who replaces Obama, you let the opposition nominate someone who will run circles around that stuttering oaf people call president.You must be a real joy to hang around.

Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermin_Supreme

I'd vote for that Democrat presidential candidate over Obama. If I voted for him America would be zombie free and I'd have a pony too.

 

[Purplestickeypunch]

LOL @ you saying that my parents will not get SS checks. or me for that matter. the fund is good until 2037 as is, 2084 at reduced benefits.

raise the cap and its good forever. but you go on with your hyperboles and exaggerations, don't allow reality to stand in your way.

We are pretty much bankrupt. They have already been tearing into the SS kitty to fund things that the wars have already used. (Robing Peter to pay Paul).

It's estimated we have 100-200 years worth of oil supply.



That wouldn't likely reduce the cost of extraction/refining enough to the point where it'd be cheaper than the Saudi/Canadian/Mexican oil we use now.

It's good that we have that supply. We'll likely need it in the future. Pulling all the worlds oil out of the ground RIGHT NOW would likely just give us a temporary price reduction at the cost of future scarcities. Let the middle east pull up all their oil. When they are out we'll be flush with oil and by then oil will be much more valuable.

WOW You have little faith in evolving from fossil fuels. I think solar and nuclear will take over if we let it. Hybrid cars are going a long way on a gallon. Pair that with a hydrogen engine and we will be off fossil fuels for the most part. It can happen. If we can spend money blowing things up; we can spend money to put the R&D in to making alternative energy a reality.

 

[Dan Kone]

1,600 is a lot less than, "except instead of 10, it's 10s of thousands which is more accurate." You're the one mocking that other guy and seem to think an astronomical sample size is any more accurate. But that's ok? Then when called on it say you already knew and fuck off.

I was clearly and obviously making generalizations about scientific polling vs asking 10 people in a grocery store.

So let me double down on what I was saying before. Fuck off.

On top of that you make a thread bitching about what happened to Bush against Obama.

I did? I don't recall that. If that's true at all, must have been a long time ago. Not sure what that has to do with this. So let me repeat. Fuck off.

Bush was so hated many people chanted, "anyone but Bush!" Lots more people hate Obama.

Well Obama at his worst polls much higher than Bush when he left office so that isn't true.

It's just the MSM are trying to hide it and others are afraid of being called racist. Obama's ineptness is the same difference between tens of thousands and 1,600 compared to Bush. But the whole lot of you fell for it. Just because he had political correctness.

WTF are you even talking about? You sound like a freaking mental patient. Again, fuck off.

You must be a real joy to hang around.

Says the guy who's lecturing me for no apparent reason.

Just in case I wasn't clear about this before... Fuck off.

 

[Dan Kone]

As price goes up demand goes down, as demand goes down the price goes down again and generally stabilises somewhere in the lower middle. Don't leave it too long to drill up is all I'm saying

We're talking about a finite resource that by all predictions is going to start to become very scarce in about 30-50 years. If it were up to me, we'd hold on to all of it and wait until the middle east goes dry.

 

[Dan Kone]

WOW You have little faith in evolving from fossil fuels.

Indeed.

I think solar and nuclear will take over if we let it.

Nuclear will prove to be too expensive in comparison with solar IMO. Solar is already becoming cheaper.

Hybrid cars are going a long way on a gallon. Pair that with a hydrogen engine and we will be off fossil fuels for the most part. It can happen. If we can spend money blowing things up; we can spend money to put the R&D in to making alternative energy a reality.

Sounds good to me. I'll vote for you for president.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

Won't vote for Ron Paul

Great personal freedoms policies
Great foreign, stay the fuck out of the shit, policies

Near total deregulation to let the average citizen get raped without a kiss blows it for me.

Because you're obviously not getting raped now and doing things differently is definitely too scary to try?

You have to be nucking futs to vote for Obama again.

 

[budlover13]

Im afraid if RP is Elected, were gonna have another JFK situation.. he was also for the people.

And i have already voluteered for that duty should it be necessary

Really. Volunteered. Pay room and board and i will do my job.

 

[OGEvilgenius]

And i have already voluteered for that duty should it be necessary

Really. Volunteered. Pay room and board and i will do my job.

You just volunteered to kill Ron Paul.

 

[budlover13]

That's the only thing other candidates can really hit him with. His views on Israel are extremely unpopular. However I believe the republicans are so sick of Romney and will be sick of Newt for the same reasons, that they will tolerate Paul's opinions on Israel. I actually think the major of republicans are ready for the pull out in Iraq and Afghanistan, so the rest of Paul's foreign policy isn't really a huge knock against him.

Funniest part about the Israel situation is that Israel's own leader, Netanyahu, supports Ron Paul's policies.

/ discussion imo.