It's All The Tea Party's Fault!!!

[VTXDave]

Heh...Well I must say that this place has become simply too amusing for words. Having been gone for awhile and coming back certainly helps one take on a different perspective.

I've been having a great time perusing the threads and I'm detecting an underlying theme in the recent threads (especially the ones' regarding the US debt). I see a lot of "finger pointing" to this so called...."Tea Party". Interestingly enough, I once felt an affiliation toward this ideological party, but that was back in the day(s) of the Bush Administration and before it became hijacked by the warmongering Republicans whose agenda of promoting the American Empire overseas under the guise of "Freedom and Liberty" became woefully obvious to anyone with two synapses to rub together. BUT! I digress....

There was a time, in fact not too terribly long ago, where "Teabaggers" were simply dismissed as trivial...

Enter the Credit Crisis of 2011...Hmm....who can we pin this one on...I KNOW! LET'S PIN IT ON THE TEA PARTY!!!! LOL! Yeah! Let's do that! We can obfuscate, dodge, fill the media w/ misinformation and propaganda implicating them (but not us) and the STOOPID Americans, who take their marching orders from the media will lap it up! It'll even have more credence if we get Republicans and Democrats together denouncing these fascist bastards! LOL!

Wow...Talk about taking one's eye off the ball. On one side of the aisle we've got the elitist Democrats who, by and large (not all)want to raise taxes and keep entitlement programs going...You know, stuff like farm subsidies so that farmers can grow corn and turn it into HFCS cheaply...so that food manufacturers can engineer and produce cheap, unhealthy foods, subsidies to the Meat and Poultry Industry where we appoint former "Industry" execs to positions within the USDA and FDA that will oversee and regulate their old "cronies" so that we don't have Americans poisoned by salmonella and 35 million pounds of ground turkey gets recalled....wait a minute....ummm....forget we said that.

On the other side, we've got the warmongering Republicans, again by and large, that want to curtail taxes and entitlements....just as long as we can keep our wars and illegal occupations of sovereign nations intact...Please disregard the fact that our men and women are dying in Afghanistan while China gets the rights to mine the most lucrative Afghani copper ore deposit in the world....while the US military provides the security. Wait a minute...We got Osama....Why are we there still? Ummm....Nothing to see here folks...move along.

Easier to pin this mess on this once (in the not too distant past), trivial, nondescript "party". It's amazing how a party that was not too long ago dismissed as insignificant has managed to wield so much influence today. Have we underestimated their "power"?....Could it be?

Carry on my friends....We get the government we deserve....and we have none to blame but ourselves. That is all.

 

[NoDrama]

Preach it!!!!

 

[UncleBuck]

well, they did pretty much own the recent debate about the debt ceiling.

just sayin'...

a lot of generalizations in there, but the last line is the truest of them all.

 

[Banditt]

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[mame]

I'm not backing down from this.

The Tea Party made it very clear that they cared more about preserving their anti-tax record and idealogy than the deficit. They rejected the "grand bargain" and they rejected Bowles-simpson for ONE reason, they included new revenues... What did they pass instead? A smaller deficit reduction package that didn't include any tax increases... I dont know how ANYONE can possibly argue against 1) The Tea Party's move was purely idealogical, and 2) if the Tea Party didn't make that move, the "grand bargain" or something similar would have passed and our credit rating preserved. Because it was in fact an idealogical move by the Tea Party that lead to a plan that was insufficient in preserving our credit rating - it is the Tea Party's fault.

 

[londonfog]

Who the hell signs a pact not to increase taxes before they get in office..How do they know what will happen where they might have to do just that...Teabaggers who don't look ahead or think ahead...great job Teabaggers now sit back and look what you have accomplished...

 

[Charlie Ventura]

The TEA Party rules and is scaring the Bejeezes out of establishment Washington and those who support big government. The coming election in 2012 will take care of the rest of the Old Guard. Obama will be gone. Statists in both the Republican and Democrat parties will be gone. The majority in the House and Senate will be advocates of smaller government and a simpler tax code. So, where will the money come from to run the government? From savings created by eliminating wasteful programs and by abolishing ENTIRE departments. Hang on to your hats folks, its going to be a wild ride.

 

[VTXDave]

Obama will be gone. Statists in both the Republican and Democrat parties will be gone.

I'm hopeful too Charlie. Although based upon the last general election(s), I really hold no faith in my fellow citizens to make an informed choice.

 

[capncash]

I'm not backing down from this.

The Tea Party made it very clear that they cared more about preserving their anti-tax record and idealogy than the deficit. They rejected the "grand bargain" and they rejected Bowles-simpson for ONE reason, they included new revenues... What did they pass instead? A smaller deficit reduction package that didn't include any tax increases... I dont know how ANYONE can possibly argue against 1) The Tea Party's move was purely idealogical, and 2) if the Tea Party didn't make that move, the "grand bargain" or something similar would have passed and our credit rating preserved. Because it was in fact an idealogical move by the Tea Party that lead to a plan that was insufficient in preserving our credit rating - it is the Tea Party's fault.

You really are ignorant if you believe the Tea Party is to blame for the US being downgraded.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

I'm not backing down from this.

The Tea Party made it very clear that they cared more about preserving their anti-tax record and idealogy than the deficit. They rejected the "grand bargain" and they rejected Bowles-simpson for ONE reason, they included new revenues... What did they pass instead? A smaller deficit reduction package that didn't include any tax increases... I dont know how ANYONE can possibly argue against 1) The Tea Party's move was purely idealogical, and 2) if the Tea Party didn't make that move, the "grand bargain" or something similar would have passed and our credit rating preserved. Because it was in fact an idealogical move by the Tea Party that lead to a plan that was insufficient in preserving our credit rating - it is the Tea Party's fault.

Uh, the Tea Party didn't pass ANYTHING instead. Most of them still voted against the debt ceiling increase...Why? Because the entire "default" premise was manufactured by the Dems for the sole purpose of strongarming the Republicans into increasing it. You just can't deal with a politician that doesn't throw his/her promises and values overboard for political expedience. The debt ceiling increase wasn't to stop a default, that's already been admitted...it was so no one had to deal with the real issues until after the 2012 elections.

Answer me this, what stopped the Dems from offering to cut $4 trillion over the next ten years with NO revenue increases to get the debt ceiling increase, if it wasn't an idealogical stance? Yeah, nothing did. Go shovel that blame horseshit somewhere else...you're only saying it because that's what the Obama/MSM machine is cranking out right now. Transparent and flaccid.

 

[MrDank007]

How many years did the dems have a supermajority and not produce a budget?

And BTW, FUCK S&P!!!
Out of all the finger pointing done in the credit crunch, the ones who gave subprime paper AAA ratings is still holding the cards unscathed. If there is anyone who needs regulation, it is the bond and debt rating agencies.

 

[VTXDave]

I'm not backing down from this.

The Tea Party made it very clear that they cared more about preserving their anti-tax record and idealogy than the deficit. They rejected the "grand bargain" and they rejected Bowles-simpson for ONE reason, they included new revenues... What did they pass instead? A smaller deficit reduction package that didn't include any tax increases... I dont know how ANYONE can possibly argue against 1) The Tea Party's move was purely idealogical, and 2) if the Tea Party didn't make that move, the "grand bargain" or something similar would have passed and our credit rating preserved. Because it was in fact an idealogical move by the Tea Party that lead to a plan that was insufficient in preserving our credit rating - it is the Tea Party's fault.

Nobody's asking you to back down. Quite frankly, I don't give a shit if you do or not. The Dems and the Reps got us into this mess....not the Tea Party. The US was in a downward spiral long before the Tea Party "hit the radar". To blame this mess on the Tea Party is delusional. The Dems and Reps alike got us into this mess, and to think that the same TWO PARTIES can get us out of it is delusional as well.

But you keep telling yourself that it's all the Tea Party and see where that gets you. Have fun.

 

[Charlie Ventura]

TEA Party advocates said many times that if the debt ceiling wasn't raised that there would be NO reason to default on our loans. There was plenty of money coming into the coffers of government on a monthly basis to pay our debts. The Democrats are the ones who were screaming default.

Default means different things depending upon which party one belongs to. To the Republicans, default means not paying the interest on the debt. That wasn't going to happen.

To the Democrats, default means not continuing to pay for unnecessary, wastful departments and programs.

 

[VTXDave]

...you're only saying it because that's what the Obama/MSM machine is cranking out right now.

Yep yep. Truly remarkable how blindly we take our marching orders without scrutinizing, yes?

 

[Johnnyorganic]

The credit rating was downgraded not because of the debt limit debate.

That talking point is well established among the Left. The trouble is nobody outside the Donkey Ranch is buying it.

The credit downgrade is a result of the debt surpassing 100% of GDP. What's truly surprising is that anyone is surprised.

A minority of economists have been saying for at least six months that GDP has been overestimated. S&P subsequently adjusted the numbers and viola!

Debt stands at well over 130% of GDP using the correct figures.

THAT is the source of the credit downgrade.

The Teabaggers have been trying to reduce the reason for the credit downgrade (absurdly high debt), but the Leftists use this to try to demonize the Teabaggers.

The Left must assume Americans are simpletons.

But most of are not.

Like I stated previously; nobody, except those who desperately wish it to be true, is buying it.

 

[NoDrama]

How many years did the dems have a supermajority and not produce a budget?

And BTW, FUCK S&P!!!
Out of all the finger pointing done in the credit crunch, the ones who gave subprime paper AAA ratings is still holding the cards unscathed. If there is anyone who needs regulation, it is the bond and debt rating agencies.

Some have speculated that this downgrade was made to give S&P some credibility.

 

[mame]

Uh, the Tea Party didn't pass ANYTHING instead. Most of them still voted against the debt ceiling increase...Why? Because the entire "default" premise was manufactured by the Dems for the sole purpose of strongarming the Republicans into increasing it. You just can't deal with a politician that doesn't throw his/her promises and values overboard for political expedience. The debt ceiling increase wasn't to stop a default, that's already been admitted...it was so no one had to deal with the real issues until after the 2012 elections.

If you pay the bondholders and the military and SS, etc... Someone gets left out still somewhere right? I mean, 1.5 Trillion dollars worth of obligations would not be payed off as a result of failure to raise the debt ceiling... Failing to pay your obligations sounds a lot like default to me.

Answer me this, what stopped the Dems from offering to cut $4 trillion over the next ten years with NO revenue increases to get the debt ceiling increase, if it wasn't an idealogical stance? Yeah, nothing did. Go shovel that blame horseshit somewhere else...you're only saying it because that's what the Obama/MSM machine is cranking out right now. Transparent and flaccid.

the Democrats weren't willing to put the "full faith and credit of the United States" on the line for an idealogical agenda though, and they didn't. The Democrats, Obama and moderate Republicans were for the "grand bargain" deal; Once news got out that Beohner was close to accepting a deal with Obama that revenues would be included - Tea Party members attacked the deal and forced beohner to back out. Do you even understand what the word compromise means? Show me where the Democrats were unwilling to compromise, can you? The "Grand Bargain" was 18 percent revenue - revenue that most of congress was willing to accept as a compromise and a figure to the right of what most Americans believed constituted fair compromise but somehow it is the Democrats who are idealogically driven and who did not allow a fair compromise? Man, you should join the special olympics... Mental gymnastics and all...

 

[mame]

The credit downgrade is a result of the debt surpassing 100% of GDP. What's truly surprising is that anyone is surprised.

A minority of economists have been saying for at least six months that GDP has been overestimated. S&P subsequently adjusted the numbers and viola!

Debt stands at well over 130% of GDP using the correct figures.

THAT is the source of the credit downgrade.

This is wholly innaccurate; Our debt to gdp ratio is much lower than 130%.

In fact, the CBO estimates our Debt to GDP ratio to be 69% this year and the figures that S&P were using estimated that 4 trillion in cuts would stabilize our debt at 73% in a decade; that was the benchmark...

 

[MrDank007]

Some have speculated that this downgrade was made to give S&P some credibility.

Yeah apparently they downgraded the outlook on Berkshire to negative after Buffet's remarks (he has a stake in Moodys). I'm not saying we necessarily deserve an AAA rating, but fuck em anyway. I've written pitch books for these guys...they are bought i.e. suprime debacle. Trying to be legit now...thanks guys, good timing

 

[Carne Seca]

The TEA Party rules and is scaring the Bejeezes out of establishment Washington and those who support big government. The coming election in 2012 will take care of the rest of the Old Guard. Obama will be gone. Statists in both the Republican and Democrat parties will be gone. The majority in the House and Senate will be advocates of smaller government and a simpler tax code. So, where will the money come from to run the government? From savings created by eliminating wasteful programs and by abolishing ENTIRE departments. Hang on to your hats folks, its going to be a wild ride.

In other words, abolish medicare and medicaid and cripple key entitlement programs that had absolutely had nothing to do with this so called debt crisis. Keep spinning the bullshit.