tomalock
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Reality, see below
The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2
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undertheice
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i have to wonder which you would prefer, the fantasy world of the rights of the individual upheld or the fantasy world of the individual will subjugated to the desires of the mob and its "representatives"? it's all very well to rail against the extremes of human perversity, but regulating the thoughts and actions of the individual never stops there. for those who control, too much is never enough. for the unruly mob, there is never an end to their demands.
we all aspire to create a great society. we all have that perfect fantasy realm of our dreams. the question is whether the illusion of equality (it is always an illusion) is worth becoming the property of the state or if we should allow the few their sins for the sake of the greater liberty.
UncleBuck
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with respect to civil rights, you are delusional.
those "sins" caused direct harm to others. your freedom to be a bigot does not override the freedom of others not to be harmed by your bigotry.
your freedom to swing your fist ends at my face is another way to put it (without purple prose or waxing poetic so that you may fap to your own scribblings later tonight).
budlover13
King Tut
How can we lose with Chuck Norris on our side? lol!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6efKKFFLZJs&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6efKKFFLZJs&feature=youtu.be
UncleBuck
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i can just imagine it.
black guy tries to go to the auto parts store to buy a new radiator hose. walks in, store owner says "hey, can't you read the sign? no negroes allowed!".
black guy smirks and says "ha, nice try, man. but i know that shit is optional!"
store owner looks down and says "yeah, you got me. come on in! you buy a hose from that shop down the road and you'll be buying another one in 2 months, if it even fits, that is! let me show you to the good hoses..."
and a hearty laugh was shared between the two. they became best friends and played poker together every other thursday. amen.
londonfog
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What is your cause now if it is not a true one ?????
londonfog
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Damn now we posting polls with no links or telling where they came from...WTF
londonfog
Well-Known Member
Not all, but you do know what they say about one bad apple...
budlover13
King Tut
True. But each community and/or state should root out that problem if they are against it. i sure as hell would in my area. And i think that the majority of people would do the same thing.
budlover13
King Tut
Found a very timely(seeing as we're talking about changing the status quo) quote from John F Kennedy:
"Those that make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable."
"Those that make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable."
budlover13
King Tut
i'm not referring to RP supporters with this. i'm talking about the American people, regardless of political differences and beliefs. The people of the WORLD are doing it already and if you don't think it's headed our way then you have not been paying very much attention to the news or the people. If you don't think that it is coming, protests, riots(hell, the US will put on a show the likes the world has not yet seen lol. We're, as a whole, the rudest, most egocentric, selfish people in the world in my experience) then i will once again use the "mantra of RP cultists" as you so eloquently state, you need to wake up.
budlover13
King Tut
i HOPE Ron Paul can help us through the coming times. At LEAST i know where he stands.
You are once again comparing hurting someone to not helping them. They are not the same thing. If you really don't see a difference, than by your estimate you are murdering 16,000 children a day by not feeding them. I mean, granted, you aren't taking their food, but by not sending them food you have you are hurting them and killing them, by your own guidelines.
londonfog
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and what countries have you been to make this comparison...I spent 22 years USAF a good portion of it traveling to all parts of the world as part of a flight crew...Americans have a whole lot more then others and most really have no stomach for this so called violent revolution that you speak of..People who are revolting in other countries that you hear about are ran by dictators and have no rights...Hell they would die just for typing what you just did on the INTERNET ( if they had INTERNET ..let along a computor)..so your talk of a violent revolution coming in this country sir IMO is very unlikely ....Hell most would not want to miss American Idol or Dancing with the stars...Do you really think America is so bad people would die and be willing to kill other Americans for it to change ???? I say a few nuts like Tim McVeigh but do you call that a revolution ???? I call that terrorism..our revolution is done when we vote...another thing these people can not do in other countries
Dan Kone
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You asked me that question as if it was something I actually said, which I did not.
I can't speculate on the mind state of every single person in the south long before I was born but I do know that segregation in the south wasn't optional and people supported it so strongly they needed to bring in the national guard to end it.
You guys can keep trying to rewrite history all you want, but glorifying the good ol' days when we had segregation is shameful. You should be embarrassed. That was a dark time in our history that we should try to progress past, not relive. I really don't get the whole glorification of slavery and racism thing.
londonfog
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You have a sick way of thinking...Kinda glad that I don't know many people like you...If you see someone bleeding out on the ground I guess you would just walk on by...Hell you not hurting them you just didn't help them. could have called 911...could have seen if you could have slowed the bleeding by appling pressure, but nope your sorry azz would walk right by thinking I'm not hurting them I'm just not helping him...and to think you actually got a fool who says he likes this...
Dan Kone
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When businesses throw up "whites only" signs on the front of their establishments, that isn't optional. That's what was going on in the pre-civil rights south.
budlover13
King Tut
I truly hope you're right about it not coming but people are sick of this and am throwing my support behind Ron Paul because if we get another talking head in office i'm afraid for what will come. AGAIN, i vote for Ron Paul therefore i vote for peace.
Dan Kone
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You paint a pretty picture of libertarianism as always, but you're only painting it from one perspective.
I do not believe that individual rights are always the most important thing. In my opinion those rights come to an end when they do harm to other people or communities.
I do not believe that individuals have the right to collectively oppress a race of people. I don't believe that the right to be a bigot is more important than the rights of minorities to be treated as equals.
The reverse is also true. There will never be enough freedom to profit at the expense of others. There will never be enough freedom to pollute, rip people off, monopolize, etc. Basically, neither extreme is desirable. Absolutism for the most part fails.
I think you're over exaggerating there. Forcing people to not oppress a race of people isn't total government control or some form of tyranny.