Herman Cain 2012

londonfog

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I am perfectly capable of offering an analysis of the effects of particular actions without having any interest whatsoever whether those actions are taken or not.

If I have an opinion, it is MY prerogative to determine whether or not I share it; not yours.

I already explained why I do not participate in primaries. I do not wish to self-identify as a Republican; an issue with which you apparently have no problem.

I support Cain monetarily, which helps him now. Moreover, I will not have to sully my good name by putting a big, fat 'R' behind it.

Which is more than I can say about your plan. :fire:
LOL...just seems crazy to give a candidate your money, but not vote for him/her....He has money without yours, but it appears he will not get what he needs from you the most which is your vote..and far as my name..ROFL..nobody will ever look at me as a repuke ..to some I'm boss, others I'm dad,husband, cousin, son, brother or nephew....some people call me friend ...to all the rest I could give a flying phuck...so me voting in the repuke primary does nothing to my name with the people that I care about..does your state not have open primaries ???
 

Johnnyorganic

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Right now money is everything. Which means that my contribution NOW has more of an impact than your promise of a vote next year. That is how I can justify my plan. The pollsters and strategists pay attention to contributions. Contributions now translate into momentum.

Yes, my state is open primary. But that does not change the fact that voting in a party primary identifies you with that party. Your name will be in the official public voting records as a Republican. Accept it.

Just like you will accept all those campaign solicitations and telephone calls after the primary from the Republican candidates who will buy those public voting records from the County Clerk.

They will assume you are a "Repuke" and why not? You will have voted in their primary. LOL. :twisted:

As I stated before, I really don't give a shit what you do. And I can explain the ramifications of certain actions without giving a shit, too.
 

londonfog

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Right now money is everything. Which means that my contribution NOW has more of an impact than your promise of a vote next year. That is how I can justify my plan. The pollsters and strategists pay attention to contributions. Contributions now translate into momentum.

Yes, my state is open primary. But that does not change the fact that voting in a party primary identifies you with that party. Your name will be in the official public voting records as a Republican. Accept it.

Just like you will accept all those campaign solicitations and telephone calls after the primary from the Republican candidates who will buy those public voting records from the County Clerk.

They will assume you are a "Repuke" and why not? You will have voted in their primary. LOL. :twisted:

As I stated before, I really don't give a shit what you do. And I can explain the ramifications of certain actions without giving a shit, too.
WTF do you know how many calls I get already for donations just by me having my own businesses...and for the record in an open primary a registered voter may vote in any party primary regardless of his own party affiliation...
 

Johnnyorganic

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WTF do you know how many calls I get already for donations just by me having my own businesses...and for the record in an open primary a registered voter may vote in any party primary regardless of his own party affiliation...
I don't recall making any comments about your business either way.

I am fully aware of what an open primary is. It does not change the fact that if you vote in a party primary, you identify with that particular party.

But if you vote in the Republican Primary, you'll understand exactly what I am talking about. Try not to be too angry when they call because you essentially will have invited them to do so.

Primaries are party functions, which is why I choose not to participate. It's none of my business.
 

londonfog

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I don't recall making any comments about your business either way.

I am fully aware of what an open primary is. It does not change the fact that if you vote in a party primary, you identify with that particular party.

But if you vote in the Republican Primary, you'll understand exactly what I am talking about. Try not to be too angry when they call because you essentially will have invited them to do so.

Primaries are party functions, which is why I choose not to participate. It's none of my business.
Once again I get those calls already a point you seem to have missed...any election that could have an outcome on me is my business and if I can vote in it I will ...and how can you say its not your business when you gave the guy money.. you kinda made it your business with the donation...If its none of your business don't donate to help him win...geezzzz
 

Parker

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So the fact that you knew it makes you an idiot by your own admission.
Maybe YOU should go into politics.
and YOU didn't know TARP was a bailout so quit talking out your ass

Mr. Cain said he would not oppose an audit in a radio interview of a third-tier nationally syndicated talk-show host who I do not particularly care for and do not listen to as a rule. However, I made a point of catching the interview. It was about three weeks ago.

Your offering from the Neal Boortz show was great! He made conspiracy-theory losers look like a bunch of idiots (there's that word again)..
who cares about Boortz. It was Cains own words you asshat.

And thank you for exposing me to Conscious Life News. A media outlet I was heretofore unaware of.

I especially enjoyed the articles on Channeling. Lord Metatron sure knows his shit..
dunno anything about them. The vid and info I quoted are in a lot of places.

And what was in the article that proves anything we don't already know?

Banks transfer money? Heavens to Betsy!

The Fed already conducts internal audits? That confirms what Mr. Cain said on the Boortz show.
nothing else about the article was important to my point. I just linked it to show where I got the info on that point from. Many other places have the same info.

And only a complete idiot would not allow any room at all for a candidate to restate a position, or even change positions once shown the error of the original position.
Sure its okay to backtrack once the right info is received. But that's not the case with this P.O.S.
And only a complete asshole like yourself would think its okay to bash muslims, or blacks, or women, or gays as long as you backtrack. fuck off you repugnant prick and go join a hate group

Then that makes two of us; with key difference. Mine is a very tight fit.

Yours, on the other hand, is like a fucking warehouse. Your head rolls around in your rectal cavity like a marble in an empty shoebox. That's a good thing because there is ample room for your tin-foil hat...

and the gerbil.
no tin foil hats, no conspiracies from me. But a prejudiced sack of shit like you will say or do anything. From this post its obvious.
 

Parker

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Once again I get those calls already a point you seem to have missed...any election that could have an outcome on me is my business and if I can vote in it I will ...and how can you say its not your business when you gave the guy money.. you kinda made it your business with the donation...If its none of your business don't donate to help him win...geezzzz
see you do make sense when you try. :mrgreen:
Even when I disagree with you you will get my backing when you trumpet the importance of voting. It really is amazing sometimes at the small voter turnout on local issues. It isn't hard to get people interested and get votes your way on the local level.
 

Johnnyorganic

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and YOU didn't know TARP was a bailout so quit talking out your ass
You said bailouts, I simply asked for confirmation to which you were referring.

And as you so eloquently stated, an idiot knew.

who cares about Boortz. It was Cains own words you asshat.
Apparently you could not be bothered to listen to your own YouTube offering because that exerpt was from the Boortz show.

You are awesome! :roll:

dunno anything about them. The vid and info I quoted are in a lot of places.
Yet you sourced them anyway. Awesomeness abounds. Go Lord Metatron!

nothing else about the article was important to my point. I just linked it to show where I got the info on that point from. Many other places have the same info.
But you used the Lord Metatron source. AWESOME!

Sure its okay to backtrack once the right info is received. But that's not the case with this P.O.S.
And only a complete asshole like yourself would think its okay to bash muslims, or blacks, or women, or gays as long as you backtrack. fuck off you repugnant prick and go join a hate group
It's exactly the case here because that is precisely what he did.

Why join a hate group when we have the Awesome Parker?

no tin foil hats, no conspiracies from me. But a prejudiced sack of shit like you will say or do anything. From this post its obvious.
Kindly provide any proof of any alleged 'prejudice.'

Awesome, awesome, awesome!
 

Johnnyorganic

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Once again I get those calls already a point you seem to have missed...any election that could have an outcome on me is my business and if I can vote in it I will ...and how can you say its not your business when you gave the guy money.. you kinda made it your business with the donation...If its none of your business don't donate to help him win...geezzzz
You receive calls from the local Republican party encouraging you to vote?

You get calls from Republican candidates soliciting campaign contributions?

Because I suspect you do NOT.

Regardless of how many other solicitations you receive.

A point YOU seem to have missed.

The money I donate and the candidate I choose to donate it to is MY business.

Who the Republicans choose as their nominee is THEIR business.

...geezzz
 

londonfog

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You receive calls from the local Republican party encouraging you to vote?

You get calls from Republican candidates soliciting campaign contributions?

Because I suspect you do NOT.

Regardless of how many other solicitations you receive.

A point YOU seem to have missed.

The money I donate and the candidate I choose to donate it to is MY business.

Who the Republicans choose as their nominee is THEIR business.

...geezzz
Once again as a member of NSBA, NRA, NAACP, CLA, and a few other associations... doing election times and others I will get every call you can think of..hell a few more won't hurt..Most times I'm not the one to answer the call anyway..soooooo I think my vote in the repuke primary will be so worth it..will you also start passing out Cain literature to make up for your not voting...????
 

Johnnyorganic

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Once again as a member of NSBA, NRA, NAACP, CLA, and a few other associations doing election times and others I get ever call you can think of..hell a few more won't hurt..Most times I'm not the one to answer the call anyway..soooooo I think my vote in the repuke primary will be so worth it..will you also start passing out Cain literature to make up for your not voting...????
It's like I stated previously, I don't care which party you affiliate yourself with on primary day.

You want to be a 'Repuke,' be one. That's your business.

And I already explained what I am doing to support Cain.

I do not need to make up for not voting in a primary of a party I am not affiliated with.

Why is it you can't understand that?
 

londonfog

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It's like I stated previously, I don't care which party you affiliate yourself with on primary day.

You want to be a 'Repuke,' be one. That's your business.

And I already explained what I am doing to support Cain.

I do not need to make up for not voting in a primary of a party I am not affiliated with.

Why is it you can't understand that?
I guess its the donation part...???? I feel if you donate to the cause you must believe in it so why not vote..I guess thats what I don't understand..??? is this one of those things that we have to agree to disagree
 

Johnnyorganic

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I guess its the donation part...???? I feel if you donate to the cause you must believe in it so why not vote..I guess thats what I don't understand..??? is this one of those things that we have to agree to disagree
It's as simple as this.

Voting in a party primary identifies you with that party.

Something I abjectly refuse to do.

But by donating I can support the candidate without identifying with the party. And do said candidate a whole helluva lot of good in the process, as I already explained.

How many times must I repeat this?
 

londonfog

Well-Known Member
It's as simple as this.

Voting in a party primary identifies you with that party.

Something I abjectly refuse to do.

But by donating I can support the candidate without identifying with the party. And do said candidate a whole helluva lot of good in the process, as I already explained.

How many times must I repeat this?
so you give money to a man that belongs to a party that you do not won't to be associated with...I'm assuming that if that man belongs to that party he must have the same ideas of that party in which you do not want to be a part of..Its like saying "hey I hate the police because they always shooting people", but then you go and give Officer Cain some money to go and buy bullets...Nah dude not understanding what you saying..If I believe in what a person was saying enough to give him money... damn the party because I would be voting for what I believe in, which is that person I gave the loot too..
 

Johnnyorganic

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so you give money to a man that belongs to a party that you do not won't to be associated with...I'm assuming that if that man belongs to that party he must have the same ideas of that party in which you do not want to be a part of..Its like saying "hey I hate the police because they always shooting people", but then you go and give Officer Cain some money to go and buy bullets...Nah dude not understanding what you saying..If I believe in what a person was saying enough to give him money... damn the party because I would be voting for what I believe in, which is that person I gave the loot too..
Those politicians have no problem with my independent contributions, why should you?

It is possible to support a candidate; party notwithstanding.

I know because I do it all the time - because I only have two realistic choices. And I do not agree with either party to a high enough degree to wish to be affiliated with either party.

Based on your interpretation, I should not support any candidate.

Because I have never seen a candidate whose policies and ideals completely mirror my own.

Have you?

Are you cool with Obama not closing down Gunatanamo Bay?

Are you down with him signing an extension of the Patriot Act?

Are you okay with Obama intervening militarily in Libya without the consent of Congress?

I could go on....
 

londonfog

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Those politicians have no problem with my independent contributions, why should you?

It is possible to support a candidate; party notwithstanding.

I know because I do it all the time - because I only have two realistic choices. And I do not agree with either party to a high enough degree to wish to be affiliated with either party.

Based on your interpretation, I should not support any candidate.

Because I have never seen a candidate whose policies and ideals completely mirror my own.

Have you?

Are you cool with Obama not closing down Gunatanamo Bay?

Are you down with him signing an extension of the Patriot Act?

Are you okay with Obama intervening militarily in Libya without the consent of Congress?

I could go on....
NO...based on my interpretation you should vote...never said you shouldn't support what you believe in...always said you should VOTE for who you believe in when you giving them money...next time please pay attention ...
 

Johnnyorganic

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NO...based on my interpretation you should vote...never said you shouldn't support what you believe in...always said you should VOTE for who you believe in when you giving them money...next time please pay attention ...
You stated previously that you did not understand what I have been saying.

I could not agree more.

I will vote in the general election.

But I will not participate in the primary of a political party for reasons stated many times already.

As I have had to repeat myself on this point multiple times, it is painfully obvious that YOU are not paying attention.
 

londonfog

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You stated previously that you did not understand what I have been saying.

I could not agree more.

I will vote in the general election.

But I will not participate in the primary of a political party for reasons stated many times already.

As I have had to repeat myself on this point multiple times, it is painfully obvious that YOU are not paying attention.
OK ..just confused who you going to vote for when your man you contributed money to doesn't make it to the general election because people didn't want to vote in the primary..???
 
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