Birthers Unite

[deprave]

@people saying obama is not far left

Obama is far left in his words and ideas but not his actions, his actions are yes indeed not much different then George Bush but he is more left then even Clinton or any president we have ever had and is damn near socialism with his words, however his actions are totally different from his words, Obama says one thing and does another

 

[secretweapon]

... and John Mccain isn't a naturally born citizen either...

http://www.scribd.com/mobile/documents/9934044

 

[Luger187]

Your race card has been revoked. You are unbelievable, this guy is POTUS and has more power then any single person in the world. That power comes from the American people. For you to suggest that the American public does not have the right to scrutinize this guy because he is black is what is racist. But that is always the case with liberals, they always project their faults on others.

As of today, obumber has released one and only one official document to the general public, his COLB. I don't know about you, but when I started my job I had to provide SS card, certified BC, collage transcripts, credit report, DL, DD214, criminal backgroung check and submit to a urinalysis. You have no explanation for why he refuses to release any of his records so you resort to name calling, yet another liberal trait that we have come to expect.

I also think it is particularly telling that he would not release this COLB even as Lt Col Lakin was being sent to prison for refusing to obey orders until he was giving proof that the POTUS was eligible. But felt compiled to release it when it became a political problem. Shows who he is and where his priorities are. Now your going to love this, I think that obumber is eligible to be the POTUS, but I also think he is a POS for refusing to release the most basic of information to those he would serve.

first of all, i was never issued a race card.

i totally agree that the president should show his place of birth. he did that a LONG time ago, but that official hawaii certificate of live birth wasnt good enough for you people. you said its not "official" or it is fake. now you are saying the new one he released is also fake or not good enough. so what is it going to take? a video of the birth?

ive never had to give all that crap for a job. all i usually do is fill out an application, which just has basic information. and maybe take a drug test.

that soldier should be in prison because he is an idiot. he refused to do his DUTY because he believed some bullshit about the president not being a citizen.

and what good could come out of all of this? what if he was born in kenya? wouldnt biden just become president? that sounds awesome... not. just leave it alone

 

[mame]

@people saying obama is not far left

Obama is far left in his words and ideas but not his actions, his actions are yes indeed not much different then George Bush but he is more left then even Clinton or any president we have ever had and is damn near socialism with his words, however his actions are totally different from his words, Obama says one thing and does another

Hardly. Just because you say something doesn't make it true.

 

[canndo]

Let's see, now what about our last president?

Bush's drug use? He never answered any questions about it.
ALL records from the Reagan and Bush presidencies? Sealed.
Oh, I know, How about Bush's driving record? Scrubbed.
His 6 years as Govenor of Texas? A secret, all hidden away.

Did the public have a right to this information? I don't really know, all I know is that I don't recall anywhere near the same stink having been raised over this "secrecy".

 

[londonfog]

All birthers should have their voting rights revoked...Rather obvious that they do not have the intelligence to make decisions based on facts.

 

[NoDrama]

... and John Mccain isn't a naturally born citizen either...

http://www.scribd.com/mobile/documents/9934044

By this measure , neither is Obama, gotta have both parents be citizens. Obama Sr was a UK Citizen.

a direct quote from your McCain info....

This is an image of John McCain's birth certificate in Colon Panama, showing clearly that McCain was born in Panama, and not on a U.S. military base as has been promoted by other.
Therefore, regardless of SR 511, John McCain is NOT a Natural Born Citizen under the definition 'a person born on U.S. soil to two U.S. citizen parents.' He's a citizen, but not a natural born citizen.

 

[secretweapon]

Oh noes! I'm wrong!

Good point. I was just trying to raise awareness as to what if john mccain had won? Would we question this birther nonsense on mccain? Fuck no.

 

[ink the world]

who played the race card?

donald fucking trump. tea party favorite flirting with the republican nomination.

can you read english?

No Buck, he is capable of reading, he comprehends what you are saying....its typical bullshit from a typical uninformed and gullible Teabagger.
Think about it, the whole "movement" is based and has always been based on lies and bullshit.


Heres some of my favorite myths that Teabaggers swallow hook line and sinker:

1." We are taxed too much, taxes are too high dammit, I want my country back!!"
They ALL fail to either understanbd or admit that taxes are lower now than they have been in decades. Yep, even the Teabag Messiah himself Ronald Reagan had higher taxes than we are paying right now.

2. "This is a grassroots effort led by normal every day Americans"
Yeah thats a complete lie too. Dick Armey is not an "average" American in any way. He is a Washington insider and has been for decades. On the Freedomworks website, it says: "If you are not able to organize or attend a Taxpayer Tea Party, you can still help the cause by donating or buying a t-shirt.
Steve Forbes is on the FreedomWorks board, their money comes from the Koch, Scaife, Bradley, Olin and other reliable funders of right wing infrastructure including Exxon Mobil.
Dont forget all the free advertising your "movement" has received from Fox News and their opinion based anchors.

3. The rallying cry last year was "Obama is gonna take my Medicare, keep the governments hands off my Medicare!"
I have to wonder exactly how many of the clowns realize that Medicare is provided by the government. If these people were so concerned about losing Medicare I have to ask why arent they really freaking out now. Medicare under the Ryan "plan" would gut the system entirely and leave elderly to deal with private insurance companies

4. "This is about the budget and spending"
Bullshit! The Ryan plan actually ADDS to the deficit over the next 15-20 years. Yeah thats right dig that hole even deeper while you take services from the elderly and poor, and then in return cut corporate taxes and tax rates for the highest bracket.

I told you people a year ago you were being bamboozled and lied to. The "movement" is nothing more than the richest members of our society hiding behind your fear and racism. You are being used as a tool for the most profitable corporations in the history of our civilization. Pathetic that you don't see it.

 

[UncleBuck]

I have to wonder exactly how many of the clowns realize that Medicare is provided by the government. If these people were so concerned about losing Medicare I have to ask why arent they really freaking out now. Medicare under the Ryan "plan" would gut the system entirely and leave elderly to deal with private insurance companies.

great point. i will be asking this same question to those tea party aficionados i have the displeasure of talking to.

 

[NoDrama]

Except government doesn't provide medicare, citizens from across the USA provide the money and ordinary non government doctors and nurses help you get better. The only thing the government is doing is skimming a little off the top and regulating who can do what when and where and sending out the payments.

 

[UncleBuck]

Except government doesn't provide medicare, citizens from across the USA provide the money and ordinary non government doctors and nurses help you get better. The only thing the government is doing is skimming a little off the top and regulating who can do what when and where and sending out the payments.

and private, for profit insurers do not skim a little more off the top?

how do they make a profit without skimming more off the top?

 

[londonfog]

your health for a profit is the private way

 

[Luger187]

Except government doesn't provide medicare, citizens from across the USA provide the money and ordinary non government doctors and nurses help you get better. The only thing the government is doing is skimming a little off the top and regulating who can do what when and where and sending out the payments.

i like that the government can regulate that stuff for me. were supposed to have good elected officials(we dont, but thats our fault) that pass laws and regulations to make our lives better. without some regulation, individuals would be screwing the system left and right. in my eyes, even more than with the regulation. conservatives just think individuals can do it by themselves. i believe people CAN be greedy and take everything for themselves, so we should protect against it. the average person doesnt steal, but some do. government regulation is supposed to be in place to stop a few individuals rigging the system so only they win. also it can save lives, but thats a whole 'nother matter

 

[NoDrama]

and private, for profit insurers do not skim a little more off the top?

how do they make a profit without skimming more off the top?

Yep, they do, wouldn't it be nice if the prices for health care were lower and were actually affordable by most people? Instead of $800 for a few stitches, $30. Then we wouldn't need any insurance but major medical and it would all be much more affordable. Government interference prohibits this from ever happening.

 

[NoDrama]

You people act like doing illegal things would be LEGAL if there were no regulations. Fraud is still illegal and the US Government is still the ultimate arbiter of contracts even if it does not directly regulate it.

 

[UncleBuck]

Yep, they do, wouldn't it be nice if the prices for health care were lower and were actually affordable by most people? .... Government interference prohibits this from ever happening.

i don't see government interference as the problem in health care affordability.

i look to the nations that pay half of what we do yet cover all their citizens and i see one thing in common: everybody is in the pool.

germany and the uk and taiwan and japan all have vastly different systems, but share that one thing in common, they pay half of what we do and cover all....despite 'government interference' in each of them.

reconcile that.

 

[canndo]

Yep, they do, wouldn't it be nice if the prices for health care were lower and were actually affordable by most people? Instead of $800 for a few stitches, $30. Then we wouldn't need any insurance but major medical and it would all be much more affordable. Government interference prohibits this from ever happening.

And open heart surgery would cost what? a couple of thousand? sure. We can't blame "government interference" for everything

 

[Luger187]

Yep, they do, wouldn't it be nice if the prices for health care were lower and were actually affordable by most people? Instead of $800 for a few stitches, $30. Then we wouldn't need any insurance but major medical and it would all be much more affordable. Government interference prohibits this from ever happening.

yeah and the private insurance companies arent a problem, right?
they are in it for profit, plain and simple. thats ALL they want. if the government were doing their job instead(healthcare for all), the governments goal would be to make people healthy. the would not have a profit motive. i do not believe that a company should be able to reject me for a 'preexisting condition', just to make an extra few bucks.

 

[mame]

And now we get into the even better debate...

Should consumers in the health care industry be treated simply as consumers? Consider what luger just said, "The governments goal would be to make people healthy. the[y] would not have a profit motive". Now, also consider the patient doctor relationship... Most consider this a special relationship between a provider of service and one who receives said service. Many decisions made between a doctor and patient change peoples lives, some may even end them(life threatening surgery). Should patients be just another consumer?