Poll : Will you vote for legalizing for just the people this time and not business?

[Dan Kone]

Dan is proving that if we allow Dan types to draft our Cannabis Freedom it will be a war on the private citizen.

Comments like this are exactly why I consider you the single biggest idiot on these forums. I post reason, you respond with stuff like this.

You're a fraud Ernest. Not a very bright one either. It's obvious to see what you want.

Unfortunately for you, you'll never get what you want. There will never be a law that legalizes unlimited residential growing or legalizes black market "trading" out of residential homes.

That just isn't realistic. Anyone with an IQ over 70 can see that this will never happen.

 

[Ernst]

Comments like this are exactly why I consider you the single biggest idiot on these forums. I post reason, you respond with stuff like this.

You're a fraud Ernest. Not a very bright one either. It's obvious to see what you want.

Unfortunately for you, you'll never get what you want. There will never be a law that legalizes unlimited residential growing or legalizes black market "trading" out of residential homes.

That just isn't realistic. Anyone with an IQ over 70 can see that this will never happen.

You poor oppressed man. Please feel free to start your own thread and rally support for your cause.
Trouble yourself no more.

 

[Ernst]

So friends if I have a medical garden and I give you, a medical person, an ounce grown in my garden that is really bad.

No way we can ever legalize that. Nope ain't never gonna happen.

I think when Dan realizes we already have private trade and horticulture rights he will be pissed.

Lets expand Cannabis freedom for all in 2012!

 

[Timmahh]

my point being Ernst. Legalization for the PEOPLE, will ONLY happen AFTER legalization of the thousands of many uses Canabis and Hemp have. that is, No matter how much we want it, full and total legalization at this perticular point in time, and due to not only current laws that will be changed, but the fact it will fully and totally effect the entire worlds monetary structure, demands it remain illegal, until such time, proper safegaurds to prevent abuse, or allow a complete shift in the worlds farming community, that have been struggleing for decades now, suddenly have an open door policy to stop growing food, and start growing Hemp and Canabis.

you do seem to miss the simple fact, what you are asking is the last part of full legalization, not the first. it cant be the first. if it is, Pandoras box is open, and once open it cant be closed.

currently in the world today, in 2011, we do not need another pandoras box opened up.

we have an antique nuclear arms defense system, that is hooked up and still running on an analog communications system, which is old and tired. if by the freak chance 2012 brings the shitstorm of solor coronal mass ejections that are possible seeing in 2012, we are in the height of the solar maximum, in cunjucntion with the galatic alignment predicted by the Mayans 3000 yrs ago, as well as other ancient peoples, and we do end up seeing a world wide equipement/satalite/power failure, this may actually trigger the old cold war doomsday system. warm and fuzzy thought isnt it.

we currently have an increase in tectonic shifting, as well as we have had an increase in volcanic activity, along with a universal rise in temperature. Ya, you global warming theorists dont speak about that do they? its Man made, its man made. you mean to tell me, humanity, here on lil ole earth, is responsible for the increase of temperature throught the known universe? i dont think so. so global warming while a fact, is a shame in that its being sold as a man made issue. yes we are warming up a bit. the entire universe as we know it is warming up a bit along with us.
another warm and fuzzy though huh.

and to make the day better, we have never before seen amounts of radio active water mixing into the ocean water near japan. theirs not one, but 3 reactors severly damaged and 2 are expected to melt down barring a miracle. anyone want a mid pacific fish sandwidch or maybe some susi? Yum.


my point, with all thats going on, marijuana legalization is about as big as these 3 situations i noted above that we are currently facing. it WONT get much legislative attention as things move toward the future in my best educational-guess estimates.

but look on the bright side, if any of the scenarios i foresee comeing to pass do infact happen in the way i think they could, LEO and Legilature will be far to busy and have their hand far to full, to worry if Ernst is selling pot out of his house or not.

no offense, but im a realist. I see puzzles and put pieces together. I just look at bigger puzzles than the average cat.

 

[Ernst]

What we have here in California is the Initiative process where a simple majority can change the law.
That is how our Medical program came to be and if I am not mistaken it is also how Legalizing for the people can happen.

I'm not arguing that Hemp shouldn't be legal or that retail outlets should be illegal what I am pointing out is that in California we passed Prop 215 and it was voted on by sections of people that voted no on prop 19.

So strip out the commerce and all things related to industry and go with simple; prop 215 like, for the people Legalization.

We are talking doing something for the people first. Trade and industry will follow. More than likely once it's legal for people industry can use that as case law.

 

[Dan Kone]

What we have here in California is the Initiative process where a simple majority can change the law.
That is how our Medical program came to be and if I am not mistaken it is also how Legalizing for the people can happen.

Prop 215 passed because the majority of Californians were sympathetic to people with medical needs. They are not going to be as sympathetic for your need to sell dime bags out of your house. Do you really think the majority of Californians want to allow people to turn residential houses into commercial grow houses? Add in the factor that nothing in your law gives a reason for non-smokers to support it, and you've got a recipe for massive failure.

We are talking doing something for the people first. Trade and industry will follow.

You law does set up trade and industry. It would give anyone in California the ability to legally turn their residential home into a commercial grow house. You can pretend that it's something different, but that's just a lie. Unrestricted home growing = commercial grow houses in residential neighborhood. So it's not that you're not addressing trade, you are. I just don't like HOW you are addressing trade. If you want to grow/sell cannabis fine, just do it the right way. Get a business permit and an appropriately zoned location. That's all I want. Your idea of having legalized commercial grow houses in residential neighborhoods is utter stupidity.

The fact that you are pretending that isn't exactly what you're advocating and then criticizing other people for wanting to do it the right way is really sleazy. It's also incredibly transparent. You aren't fooling anyone.

 

[Ernst]

Dan the people legalized cannabis for medical use.
They didn't vote for commerce.
They didn't vote for commerce in 2010 and from past experience of prop 19 I and prop 19 II they won't vote for commerce in 2012.

 

[Dan Kone]

Dan the people legalized cannabis for medical use.
They didn't vote for commerce.
They didn't vote for commerce in 2010 and from past experience of prop 19 I and prop 19 II they won't vote for commerce in 2012.

You want that commerce to take place in residential neighborhoods. There is no way the people of California are going to vote for commercial cultivation/trade of cannabis in residential neighborhoods.

 

[Ernst]

You want that commerce to take place in residential neighborhoods. There is no way the people of California are going to vote for commercial cultivation/trade of cannabis in residential neighborhoods.

Why are you Trolling?

I'm advocating non-commercial private trade. You know like I have some seeds and I give them to you.

 

[Dan Kone]

I'm advocating non-commercial private trade. You know like I have some seeds and I give them to you.

Yeah, you're advocating a legalized black market where people commercially grow and sell bud out of their houses. It's completely unrealistic.

 

[Ernst]

Yeah, you're advocating a legalized black market where people commercially grow and sell bud out of their houses. It's completely unrealistic.

You want sales for yourself and damn everyone else if I remember right.

Thanks for the <bump> 48 to 4 at this time.

 

[Dan Kone]

You want sales for yourself and damn everyone else if I remember right.

I want sales for ANYONE who starts a legal business the right way. You want legalized black market cultivation/sales out of residential neighborhoods.

You can keep trying to act like I'm the greedy one here, but what you're doing is very transparent. I want people who want to grow/sell cannabis to do it through a legitimate legal process like every other business in America. You want legalized unregulated black market growing/sales. You want that because you know you're too stupid to start a legal business. It's actually quite easy too. But people like you are better off flipping burgers. Don't quit your day job.

 

[Ernst]

I want sales for ANYONE who starts a legal business the right way. You want legalized black market cultivation/sales out of residential neighborhoods.

You are the only one that reads that Dan... Maybe it's a learning disorder?

It should be no crime to give cannabis to a friend.
It should be no crime to grow cannabis plants for your personal use.
It should be no crime to share genetics with others.

Why is it that you Dan want the majority of Californians to be criminals?
Is it that Cannabis is bad and shouldn't be in the hands of the people?

I'm serious you do see your hate agenda? Sort of like what I assume a police bots is like.

 

[Dan Kone]

You are the only one that reads that Dan... Maybe it's a learning disorder?

It should be no crime to give cannabis to a friend.
It should be no crime to grow cannabis plants for your personal use.
It should be no crime to share genetics with others.

Why is it that you Dan want the majority of Californians to be criminals?
Is it that Cannabis is bad and shouldn't be in the hands of the people?

I'm serious you do see your hate agenda? Sort of like what I assume a police bots is like.

That's enough of that. You're a sleazy mental midget. I'm done here.

 

[Ernst]

I started a thread for you.. I bet it will be fun for us all..

 

[Ernst]

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How do you feel reader? Legalizing just for the people in California in 2012.

How would that effect your community? How would your neighbours deal with your Garden once it's legal for you to grow cannabis?

 

[sniffer]

screw the neighbours ,
tell them to grow there own

 

[Ernst]

Thank you for contributing to this thread.

 

[Ernst]

<bump> My goal is to keep this topic cycling.

I know I am a flawed person but an all or nothing initiative, meaning all the issues wrapped up into one initiative that voters vote down like they have twice with the two different Prop 19 initiatives, is a loser way to go.

What we need to do is draft rights for people and skip language for the other issues.
This is so we can move forward with freedom.
If we cannot legalize just for the people we cannot legalize anything. It's just that simple.

 

[Ernst]

So what Dan is saying seems to be that the right to business has to walk hand in hand or go before rights for the people?

That there have to be legal limits on the people so they still go to jail if they violate production limits.

That is just a new form of Prohibition.

Starting with the people let us re-introduce the cannabis plant as a crop everyone has rights to.

I understand that many are growers and that their illegal grow ops are their world. Without them they would have to flip burgers like I do. Or will do if I get a McDonalds job.

However, it is not just that I am made limited when a grower isn't.

Sure let there be business licences and let their be legal production but make is so after the people have full horticulture, use and non-commercial private trade rights such as seed sharing and produce sharing.

Dan will have you believe that cannabis freedom is not true cannabis freedom since Dan wants to keep you buying his produce and at dependable prices.
It's a plant not a manufactured goods and re-introducing it into the legal garden of the people either lets us grow as much as we see fit, share with who we want and save seeds and breed better plants or we have to keep some form of prohibition going which means some still go to jail.

Now I am not anti-business what I am saying here is California voted to legalize for the people and they voted against commerce.
Our next effort should focus on the people separately from the other issues so we can pass SOMETHING IN 2012!

Keep it simple silly ( kiss )

Now Dan this doesn't mean a business proposal cannot be passed as well and it doesn't mean that I am against cannabis business.
The fact that Cannabis can be plentiful in any given community doesn't mean people won't buy cannabis or cannabis related products. In fact if you sell really primo above average cannabis I am sure folks will buy your wears.

It's time to re-legalize from the bottom up.. Legalize people first and profits second.

If you fear that people will grow and trade and you will not make bank then you are not in favor of legalizing from the bottom up and you are in favor of decriminalizing from the top down. A Top where you make bank.

I believe if anyone can grow, have and share there will be those who don't care to bother. Lots of people who won't bother to grow will buy..

So have a business initiative separate from one for the people but people first as a safe first step in the image of the only initiative to ever pass prop 215.

Why can we not do for everyone separate from those making bank?

We should come together Dan..

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