Congresswoman on Palin's "Hit List" shot

[BudMcLovin]

I think the shooter was a nut job until proven differently. Unless he is member of some new violent political terrorist group I don’t care if a little birdy told him to do it. He is responsible for his actions not politicians spouting off political rhetoric, that’s like blaming “Taxi Driver” for the assassination attempt on Reagan instead of the shooter, Hinckley. People are responsible for their own actions. Palin didn’t tell the guy to do what he did HE chose to commit the act own his own.

It wasn’t long ago the left was supporting a person’s right to make a film about killing a setting president. Union leaders can bus people to protest on the front lawn of bank execs, but people shouldn’t post the address of elected officials on a website or they are encouraging violence.

What do you guys want a law hindering free speech? Looks Like you’re not a lone there is already a democrat proposing that very thing. “Rep. Robert Brady (D-Pa.) reportedly plans to introduce legislation that would make it a federal crime to use language or symbols that could be perceived as threatening or inciting violence against a federal official or member of Congress” LINK.

Oh and today revolution takes place at the ballet box in this country not bloody battles in the street.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Words which should be banned if we are to take this ridiculus 'vitriol' argument at face value:

Fired
Terminated
Deadline
Target

There are many more....

Are you Proggies now willing support the BANNING of words? WORDS?

You're gonna love this. Democratic political maps. (Nod to Neal Boortz)

From 2004:

From a year ago:

LEFTIST VIOLENCE IN AMERICA

Now let's stop pretending this is something NEW.

Or that this is something strictly limited to the Right.

 

[londonfog]

I think the shooter was a nut job until proven differently. Unless he is member of some new violent political terrorist group I don’t care if a little birdy told him to do it. He is responsible for his actions not politicians spouting off political rhetoric, that’s like blaming “Taxi Driver” for the assassination attempt on Reagan instead of the shooter, Hinckley. People are responsible for their own actions. Palin didn’t tell the guy to do what he did HE chose to commit the act own his own.

It wasn’t long ago the left was supporting a person’s right to make a film about killing a setting president. Union leaders can bus people to protest on the front lawn of bank execs, but people shouldn’t post the address of elected officials on a website or they are encouraging violence.

What do you guys want a law hindering free speech? Looks Like you’re not a lone there is already a democrat proposing that very thing. “Rep. Robert Brady (D-Pa.) reportedly plans to introduce legislation that would make it a federal crime to use language or symbols that could be perceived as threatening or inciting violence against a federal official or member of Congress” LINK.

Oh and today revolution takes place at the ballet box in this country not bloody battles in the street.

Dude its a big difference in a protest rally then a rally were people are told "if the ballots don't work bullets will"...Yes crazy talk has been on both sides....But the teaparty and the right took it to another level...I mean really bringing guns to a political rally...Sharon Angle was trying to be a U S Senator making crazy statements like "using second amendment remedies"..Yes people are responsible for there own actions ...They should also be responsible for there words as well...and we already have laws for language perceived as treatening or inciting violence its called "making terroristic threats"

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Dude its a big difference in a protest rally then a rally were people are told "if the ballots don't work bullets will"...Yes crazy talk has been on both sides....But the teaparty and the right took it to another level...I mean really bringing guns to a political rally...Sharon Angle was trying to be a U S Senator making crazy statements like "using second amendment remedies"..Yes people are responsible for there own actions ...They should also be responsible for there words as well...and we already have laws for language perceived as treatening or inciting violence its called "making terroristic threats"

You are selectively forgetting that many on the right condemned the bringing of firearms to political rallies. I myself stated right here on this forum that it was a stupid idea.

I stated then that a much more effective means of protest would be to arrive at political rallies wearing empty holsters as a means of protesting gun control laws.

And why keep harping on the 'Second Amendment Remedies' statement? The very reason why the Second Amendment exists is to allow citizens the means to resist a tyrannical government.

Yes, Virginia. There may come a time when there is a need for a Second Amendment Remedy.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

 

[londonfog]

You are selectively forgetting that many on the right condemned the bringing of firearms to political rallies. I myself stated right here on this forum that it was a stupid idea.

I stated then that a much more effective means of protest would be to arrive at political rallies wearing empty holsters as a means of protesting gun control laws.

And why keep harping on the 'Second Amendment Remedies' statement? The very reason why the Second Amendment exists is to allow citizens the means to resist a tyrannical government.

Yes, Virginia. There may come a time when there is a need for a Second Amendment Remedy.

so you saying its ok to make statements saying "if you don't get your way at the ballot we may have to result to gun play"??? A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed... where in that second ammedment does it states that if you are unhappy with the results at a poll to go and kill kids and the innocent..Dude you making yourself look really bad..Just stop trying to justify stupidity.
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[Johnnyorganic]

so you saying its ok to make statements saying "if you don't get your way at the ballot we may have to result to gun play"??? A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed... where in that second ammedment does it states that if you are unhappy with the results at a poll to go and kill kids and the innocent..Dude you making yourself look really bad..Just stop trying to justify stupidity.
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On the contrary. It's Liberal crybabies such as yourself who are showing your TRUE colors.

Remember when that Jihadist shot up Fort Hood shouting 'Alla Achkbar!'?

How many Liberal/Progressive commentators were admonishing us to wait for the facts before coming to a conclusion?

The very same people happily JUMP to the conclusion that this tragedy is the fault of the Right.

Never let a CRISIS go to waste, right?

 

[ink the world]

And why keep harping on the 'Second Amendment Remedies' statement? The very reason why the Second Amendment exists is to allow citizens the means to resist a tyrannical government.

Yes, Virginia. There may come a time when there is a need for a Second Amendment Remedy.

John, Id be willing to bet the jackass thought he was the victim of a "tyrannical government", just like the would be terrorist that crashed his plane into a government building.
This is the same blind thinking that the "terrorists" use to justify their murder too.

And John, lets get something straight. I didnt just start "politicizing" this, I posted about it almost a year ago. In that post some defended the actions, my favorite quote from the post is:
"threat and intimidation are what politics are all about"
" I said before and say again, we may find out what 21st century civil war looks like"
"government's only tool is violence and using that tool against it seems only natural."

That shit was pathetic enough then, but to defend that kind of "logic" now seems absurd.

 

[BudMcLovin]

Sharon Angle was trying to be a U S Senator making crazy statements like "using second amendment remedies

Unless you can make a direct connection between what Angle said and this guy’s actions, its pure speculation that her words were part of his motivation. Johnny’s posted a couple of things to show it happens on both sides. I won’t pretend to be morally superior and say it’s right or wrong but it is free speech and as an Americans we have a right to free speech. So please blame the fucker that did the deed and not the politician that may or may not have influenced the shooter.
Oh and not to be a dick but if you quote a source post a link. How else are people going to know it’s not made up.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

so you saying its ok to make statements saying "if you don't get your way at the ballot we may have to result to gun play"???

In answer to you question, of course it's okay. The First Amendment says it is.

But that is not what she said is it? That's merely YOUR interpretation.

And Ms. Angle was defeated was she not? No 'Second Amendment remedy' was forthcoming.

Lodonfog argument FAIL.

 

[londonfog]

On the contrary. It's Liberal crybabies such as yourself who are showing your TRUE colors.

Remember when that Jihadist shot up Fort Hood shouting 'Alla Achkbar!'?

How many Liberal/Progressive commentators were admonishing us to wait for the fact before coming to a conclusion?

The very same people happily JUMP to the conclusion that this tragedy is the fault of the Right.

Never let a CRISIS go to waste, right?

Let me get this right..so you saying the shooting had nothing to do with the hate speeches and violent talk being slung around ??????

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Let me get this right..so you saying the shooting had nothing to do with the hate speeches and violent talk being slung around ??????

That's exactly what I'm saying.

From what I can tell this guy is a Grade A nut-ball. That's all we know. Until it can be shown that there is a direct connection between any rhetoric on the Right and the actions of this lunatic, I will continue to say that.

You seem so desperate to pin this on the Right. If it were not so DANGEROUS, it would be funny.

 

[londonfog]

That's exactly what I'm saying.

From what I can tell this guy is a Grade A nut-ball. That's all we know. Until it can be shown that there is a direct connection between any rhetoric on the Right and the actions of this lunatic, I will continue to say that.

You seem so desperate to pin this on the Right. If it were not so DANGEROUS, it would be funny.

Here I will let her tell you...watch if you will..

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NOW SHE SHOT IN THE HEAD...LEARN TO LEARN FROM MISTAKES OR YOU WILL KEEP MAKING THE SAME MISTAKES..

 

[Johnnyorganic]

John, Id be willing to bet the jackass thought he was the victim of a "tyrannical government", just like the would be terrorist that crashed his plane into a government building.
This is the same blind thinking that the "terrorists" use to justify their murder too.

And John, lets get something straight. I didnt just start "politicizing" this, I posted about it almost a year ago. In that post some defended the actions, my favorite quote from the post is:
"threat and intimidation are what politics are all about"
" I said before and say again, we may find out what 21st century civil war looks like"
"government's only tool is violence and using that tool against it seems only natural."

That shit was pathetic enough then, but to defend that kind of "logic" now seems absurd.

Anyone who now says, 'I told you so!' could be counted amoung those actually HAPPY this tragedy occurred.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Here I will let her tell you...watch if you will..

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NOW SHE SHOT IN THE HEAD...LEARN TO LEARN FROM MISTAKES OR YOU WILL KEEP MAKING THE SAME MISTAKES..

That interview is about vandalism associated with MessiahCare.

Vandalism.

Prove the lunatic was linked to Palin or STFU lest you appear a bigger fool that you have already shown.

And nobody seems to be focusing on the official who was actually assasinated. A Federal Judge appointed by a Republican.

Could it be possible HE was the target of a Liberal headcase and the Congresswoman is collateral damage?

I'm not saying that is the case. I'm just pointing out the failure on the Left to consider it.

 

[londonfog]

Dude now you just went to dumb ...that talk was about more then just vandalism..guess you did not watch it all..Its about vandalism,violence, hate talk, gun sights etc..etc.. next time watch it all if you going to comment..

 

[doc111]

wow, just wow.

what i think is telling is that you don't see liberals going around trying to pin this guy as a right winger, but you do see right wingers trying to peg this guy as a liberal.

it stinks. it reminds me of the line: "thou doth protest too much"

when dupnik called arizona 'a mecca of bigotry and prejudice', he did not name any political party. yet right away, the righties came out on defense. why? why did lefties NOT go on defense? why did lefties like olberman repudiate anything they said previously that may have been in poor taste? why does the right feel compelled to suddenly portray themselves like angels, when they had no problem telling everyone to use bullets if ballots did not work months before?

to the genius above who has postulated that this guy was a liberal...why not mention he also liked animal farm? mein kampf? that he longed for a return to the gold standard (a tea party position)? why are you even trying to politicize this?

so congrats, bonesplitter, you have self-identified yourself as pathetic and indefensible.

wear the crown proudly. you have earned it.

I have read this entire thread up until this point and I simply couldn't continue on without commenting on a few things:

Your statement:
"what i think is telling is that you don't see liberals going around trying to pin this guy as a right winger, but you do see right wingers trying to peg this guy as a liberal."

Seriously? You haven't seen or heard anybody trying to pin this shit on Palin and the Tea Party? If that isn't an implication that he's a right winger, I don't know what is. Can we be honest at least?

I've also seen you say how "pathetic" it is that this horrific incident is being politicized, but you sure add a few jabs!

This was nothing short of tragic and inexcusable. People go a little nuts whenever something of this magnitude occurs. This isn't really anything new though. If it was politically motivated then just open a history book. They are filled with examples of politically motivated killings/assasinations. We don't really have a clear motive but the guy doesn't appear to belong to any political party and was a very disturbed, perhaps misguided YOUTH! It's not fair to be throwing stones until we know all the available facts. We may never know this kids real motive. He is alive but what will he offer. He may turn out to be incompetent to stand trial, I could go on here. I think both sides can take a lesson from this. Neither side is blameless and is it really productive to start "measuring" which side has the inflammatory rhetoric? I've heard both sides make irresponsible statements. I suppose there is at least a little opportunist in all of us. The shells have barely cooled and the shit slinging has already reached a fever pitch! Nothing good will likely come of this. Many lives were ended and many more have been ruined! All I can really say is I hope the justice system doesn't let us down. My thoughts are with the families of the victims and the survivors. They have a tough road ahead.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Dude now you just went to dumb ...that talk was about more then just vandalism..guess you did not watch it all..Its about vandalism,violence, hate talk, gun sights etc..etc.. next time watch it all if you going to comment..

I watched it all. I made a point of it.

I noticed that nobody had ANYTHING at all to say about the DEMOCRATIC target lists.

I guess should not expect anything else from MSNBC.

Or YOU for that matter.

 

[londonfog]

Well lets put it this way Clarence Dupnik the Sheriff down in Tucson Arizona states himself that this hate talk needs to stop..They also state that a letter was found, but he can't go into details due to the investigation..He then goes on about how we all need to stop all this crazy hate talk...Now ask yourself why would a man that knows more about this case tell us we need to stop the hate talk...Keep it real or keep it moving

 

[redivider]

I watched it all. I made a point of it.

I noticed that nobody had ANYTHING at all to say about the DEMOCRATIC target lists.

I guess should not expect anything else from MSNBC.

Or YOU for that matter.

show me a picture being endorsed by former democratic vice-presidential candidates which show conservative/republican politicians pictures with a crosshairs superimposed on the image.

you can't, because the ones implying you should shoot some motherfuckers are crazy right-wingers.

that's the truth, you know it.