Stoner's views on Barack Obama as President

[Big P]

While homosexuals claim they make up 10% of the population, the reality is closer to 1-2%.

A NEWLY RELEASED REPORT from the Centers for Disease Control’s National Center for Health Statistics reveals that only 2.3% of the population considers themselves homosexual.




its not a normal variation. if it was a normal variation it would be much higher than 3% of the population smart guy lol

 

[Big P]

heres a little edumacation for you buck

For decades the American Psychiatric Association considered homosexuality a disorder. Just like a female mind in a male body is a sure sign that something went wrong somewhere (in either nature and/or nurture), so a homosexual mind in a heterosexual body is likewise a disorder. Elementary logic leads us to the conclusion that in both cases, the mind is in conflict or disharmony with the body.






so your trying to tell us that the mind being in conflict or disharmony with the body is a perfectly normal variation?



do you know what the meaning of the world normal is??




nor·mal

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–adjective 1. conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural.



for real buck your a glaring idiot

 

[UncleBuck]

heres a little edumacation for you buck.....for real buck your a glaring idiot

so you throw at me 35 year old science as proof that i'm a 'glaring idiot'?

well, i may be a glaring idiot, but at least i am not WILLFULLY IGNORANT of the last 35+ years of science

Is homosexuality a mental illness or emotional problem?
No. Psychologists, psychiatrists, and other mental health professionals agree that homosexuality is not an illness, a mental disorder, or an emotional problem. More than 35 years of objective, well-designed scientific research has shown that homosexuality, in and itself, is not associated with mental disorders or emotional or social problems. Homosexuality was once thought to be a mental illness because mental health professionals and society had biased information.
In the past, the studies of gay, lesbian, and bisexual people involved only those in therapy, thus biasing the resulting conclusions. When researchers examined data about such people who were not in therapy, the idea that homosexuality was a mental illness was quickly found to be untrue.
In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association confirmed the importance of the new, better-designed research and removed homosexuality from the official manual that lists mental and emotional disorders. Two years later, the American Psychological Association passed a resolution supporting this removal.
For more than 25 years, both associations have urged all mental health professionals to help dispel the stigma of mental illness that some people still associate with homosexual orientation.

i am sitting here with a DSM IV on my lap opened to page 535, 'sexual and gender indentity disorders'. i see....

*hypoactive sexual desire disorder
*sexual aversion disorder
*female sexual arousal disorder
*male erectile disorder
*female orgasmic disorder
*male orgasmic disorder
*premature ejaculation
*dyspareunia
*vaginismus
*sexual dysfunstion due to general medical condition
*substance induced sexual dysfunction
*paraphilias
*exhibitionism
*fetishism
*frotteurism
*pedophilia
*sexual masochism
*sexual sadism
*transvestic fetishism
*voyeurism
*gender identity disorder

hmmmm, can't seem to find any mention of homosexuality in this book. not even in the index.

the fact that homosexuality is a natural, regularly occuring, standard and common variation of human sexuality seems to me to be the definition of....NORMAL.

you use 35+ year old science, and i am the glaring idiot?

blow your 'edumacation' out your fucking ass, and get your fucking head checked, bud.

 

[NLXSK1]

Hey Uncle Buck?

We are not talking about the feel good politically correct definition of normal.

We are talking about the mathematical and statistical reference to normal. At less than 5% of the population, homosexuality is not normal. No matter how many high paid psychiatrists want to tell you differently.

 

[Big P]

dude its not a regularly occuring standard and common variation little homie


less then 3% of the population is homosexual therefore not normal variation


the key phrase here is:

the mind is in conflict or disharmony with the body




just because you say its completly normal to have the opposite genetailia of what your desires are doesnt make it so no matter how hard you try.

your simply being dishonest

but by all means carry on with your imagination

your clearly wrong

 

[Johnnyorganic]

sorry, only came into this recently.

and whose wrath you calling self righteous?

i saw bigotry, i condemned it, end of story. i don't like bigotry and point out the idiocy behind it when i can. sue me.

I don't need to call anyone out. The selective indignation expressed takes care of that for me.

The wrath is self-righteous if it appears partisan.

And when holier-than-thou Progs ignore homophobia in their own ranks, it makes any protestation about it elsewhere nothing more than a sick joke.

 

[UncleBuck]

the key phrase here is:

the mind is in conflict or disharmony with the body




just because you say its completly normal to have the opposite genetailia of what your desires are doesnt make it so no matter how hard you try.

opposite genitalia of what your desires are?

WTF?

don't strain yourself grasping at straws there.

i know several gay people. their minds are in perfect harmony with their bodies. a dude likes dudes, the dude fucks dudes, end of story. a girl likes girls, the girl fucks girls, end of story.

no matter how many times you tell me i'm wrong (do you really need to convince yourself? lame) or how many different (and fabulousssss) fonts and colors you use, or how many ridiculous spelling errors you make, it does not change the fact that you are holding onto a biased, 35+ years old, discredited view of homosexuality.

i will say it again, as it bears repeating: homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexuality. it standardly occurs in a certain percentage of the population, has since the dawn of time, and will continue to do so long after we are all dead and gone. it is not associated with any mental illness or emotional problem.

but by all means, please feel free to point out where i missed it. i have the dsm iv right in front of me. cite a page, please.

 

[UncleBuck]

We are not talking about the feel good politically correct definition of normal.

funny, that's not the 'normal' i was talking about either.

i made it clear exactly what type of 'normal' i was talking about.

for your edification, i claim that homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexuality.

this does not depend on any percentage or standard deviations from a mean, as you would wish.

just like having red hair may not be a COMMON variation, it is a NORMAL one. an example of an ABNORMAL variation of hair color would be green hair.

don't confuse 'common' with 'normal'.

 

[UncleBuck]

The wrath is self-righteous if it appears partisan.

don't hang yourself with your own words.

you have thrown the equivalent of a hissy fit because of one thing that the one you call 'bongspit' said at some earlier point in this thread.

yet ignore the equally ignorant musings of other posters in this thread.

seems pretty partisan to me when you go on a multi pages attack on a democrat/progressive, yet completely ignore other stupidity which is actually more entertaining to belittle.

now i need to get my ass to the store. these picture frames ain't gonna build themselves.

hold down the rabble for me.

 

[NLXSK1]

funny, that's not the 'normal' i was talking about either.

i made it clear exactly what type of 'normal' i was talking about.

for your edification, i claim that homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexuality.

this does not depend on any percentage or standard deviations from a mean, as you would wish.

just like having red hair may not be a COMMON variation, it is a NORMAL one. an example of an ABNORMAL variation of hair color would be green hair.

don't confuse 'common' with 'normal'.

Well, I guess then I can call them abnormal and be correct and you can call them normal and be politically correct. Win win eh???

If it is so normal, why dont they have people going to psychatrists becasue they are straight but want to be gay?

 

[Big P]

funny, that's not the 'normal' i was talking about either.

i made it clear exactly what type of 'normal' i was talking about.

for your edification, i claim that homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexuality.

this does not depend on any percentage or standard deviations from a mean, as you would wish.

just like having red hair may not be a COMMON variation, it is a NORMAL one. an example of an ABNORMAL variation of hair color would be green hair.

don't confuse 'common' with 'normal'.

your analogy is wrong its not like a kid who has red hair, its like a kids born with hair on his face instead of his head,


a gurl born in a boys body


a boy born in a female body

this is not normal sexuality, everyone knows it including you buck, including you.


but like I said carry on with your plad self

 

[NoDrama]

doesn't mention a god. there's slight references,

who would've thought...

the constitution is soooo not religious it doesn't even mention god.... let alone christ....

You should have quoted the Declaration of Independence. It mentions both "God" and a "Creator".

 

[Johnnyorganic]

don't hang yourself with your own words.

you have thrown the equivalent of a hissy fit because of one thing that the one you call 'bongspit' said at some earlier point in this thread.

yet ignore the equally ignorant musings of other posters in this thread.

seems pretty partisan to me when you go on a multi pages attack on a democrat/progressive, yet completely ignore other stupidity which is actually more entertaining to belittle.

now i need to get my ass to the store. these picture frames ain't gonna build themselves.

hold down the rabble for me.

Counterattack.

The only reason I made any comments on the homophobia at all is the personal nature of it directed against your truly.

That shitbird has been banned from this forum numerous times.

If TheDemocrat's homophobic statement had not been personal, I would not have said anything at all.

That's his M.O. I make a point he cannot answer, so his response is an offhand comment questioning my sexuality.

Conversely, if any of the Conservatives had made a similar attempt at a personal attack against me, I would have reacted the exact same way.

Other than that I really don't give a shit. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It's that pesky free speech clause in the First Amendment.

But never think for a minute that I will sit still and tolerate an attempt to portray me as something I am not.

Your hissy fits are reserved for Conservatives. You obviously don't give a shit about Progressive homophobia.

 

[UncleBuck]

a gurl born in a boys body


a boy born in a female body

this is not normal sexuality, everyone knows it including you buck, including you.

what you are talking about here is gender identity disorder, not homosexuality.

gender identity disorder IS recognized by the dsm iv.

homosexuality is not.

not every homosexual has gender identity disorder, ya know.

keep exposing your complete lack of knowledge. dig your own grave. i don't care. in fact, you want a shovel?

also, what the fuck is a 'plad self'?

 

[UncleBuck]

Well, I guess then I can call them abnormal and be correct and you can call them normal and be politically correct. Win win eh???

If it is so normal, why dont they have people going to psychatrists becasue they are straight but want to be gay?

wow. in your world, calling an apple an apple must be 'politically correct', eh?

let me spell it out for you.

paraphilias, frotteurism, and the like - abnormal

homosexuality - normal

this is not being politically correct, this is just being correct.

as far as your second question goes, it might have something to do with the discrimination homosexuals face thanks to dipshits like yourself.

 

[UncleBuck]

Your hissy fits are reserved for Conservatives. You obviously don't give a shit about Progressive homophobia.

no, i just wasn't there to give a shit about the one instance of progressive homophobia when it happened.

but i was here to give a shit about the multiple instances of conservative homophobia.

and i'll be here until the stain dries. then it's time to seal.

 

[LightningMcGreen]

Didn't they find out (in mice anyways) that homosexuality was a genetic trait?...by like deleting some gene (FucM l think it was), it actually turned female mice to other female mice? Not tryin to start anything with anyone, just sayin...what would this be considered? Normal, or a defect?

 

[Johnnyorganic]

no, i just wasn't there to give a shit about the one instance of progressive homophobia when it happened.

but i was here to give a shit about the multiple instances of conservative homophobia.

and i'll be here until the stain dries. then it's time to seal.

Chickenshit.

On a message board, an event happens as soon as one happens to read it. Time is largely irrelevant.

No matter.

Your lack of condemnation is irrelevant, too.

TheDemocrat showed himself to be just another homophobic douche-bag; his political leanings notwithstanding.

 

[NLXSK1]

as far as your second question goes, it might have something to do with the discrimination homosexuals face thanks to dipshits like yourself.

So, your hypothesis is that Gay people go to psychiatrists to become straight because of discrimination?

Could you please demonstrate where I have actually discriminated against a gay person? I have been called a homophobe and now accused of discrimination because I put my honest opinion on the internet. I think that makes you the close minded bigot... You know, because you are not interested in having a discussion without throwing out slurs.

 

[UncleBuck]

So, your hypothesis is that Gay people go to psychiatrists to become straight because of discrimination?

you asked why straight people don't seek conversion therapy to become gay.

i answered.

you tried to twist my words.

you failed.

homosexuals that seek the ridiculous treatment known as conversion therapy may also want to convert due to discrimination they face. it may be due to societal pressures imposed by people like you who deem their lifestyle as aberrant and abnormal. why would anyone want to be viewed as abnormal?

fyi, conversion therapists tend to be quacks. psychologists that never passed their CCE and had to find some work.

Could you please demonstrate where I have actually discriminated against a gay person?

gladly. just look back at the posts where you call homosexuality abnormal.

I think that makes you the close minded bigot... You know, because you are not interested in having a discussion without throwing out slurs.

ohhh, poor you. you feel persecuted because i called you for what you were. boo fucking hoo.

sorry i call an apple an apple when i see one.

just imagine what your gay friends would think about you if you told them to their face that their sexual preferences are akin to frotteurism or pedophilia.