The Art of The Auto

Bighill

Active Member
It hurts so bad to look at all this great looking bud on this thread when I have nothing to smoke:(
I won't have any smoke for a while, Maybe a month and the cash is so low that buying smoke is out of the question... Well atleast when I cut my babies I'll get to know the full effects of the smoke because my sences won't be clouded with shwag.lol
I hear ya mate. Nov/Dec have been my worst months since i went into business for myself. Here's hopin for a good 2011. Cheers. If you were near me i'd come puff one with ya.

How is the ALF smelling these days?
 

John Mondello

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The big girl definitely had more of an ass kicking!!!! But up to the time where I broke her top she was doing really well except for not flowering... I think the hot temps in the reservoir really did the most damage to her...
I'd def agree on the temps... thats crucial especially in hydro

vinegar for ph adjust primarily... but we're (Well FD, mossy n company) currently researching if there are other benefits since they've seen drastic vigor changes since its inception.

J
 

overgrowem

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I heard there is a 38 day auto.avail. and there is an auto. that will not flower under 24/0. Anyone heard about these? A very fast outdoor auto. with the Duckfoot trait you posted on pg.101(?) could start a rage.
 

Bighill

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vinegar for ph adjust primarily... but we're (Well FD, mossy n company) currently researching if there are other benefits since they've seen drastic vigor changes since its inception.

J
Yup.. Mossy used it to adjust PH this time. Noticed a marked jump in vigor. I've been wrapping my head around it the last few weeks. Apart from the proper PH balance it has to be doing some thing good to the micro life in the soil. They are growing like F1 hybrid vigor. Little to no def as far as i can see.

I am going to run a test on it anyways!

K: I have never run blueberry in hydro.. So i am only speaking for what other plants have done for me. Some have eatin 1300ppm down to 1000 over night. Slowly increasing the feedings will help you find the correct mix, and not burn the shit out of them. I wuold check the roots first if they are damaged the defficency is from that. So solve that see what it does, if it still run def dose her a bit more. With flower ntues. If you are using a cal/mag product you will get N from that. You don't need much N in flower, it will make you plant stretch more than it should. And in my experience you get foxtailed buds.

Even if she was stressed, a non auto should hav some time to grow out of it. Some thing has been on going imo.

Here is a lengthy read up on H202. Your bits i highlighted.
H2O2 is an unstable molecule; when it breaks down, a single oxygen atom (O-)and a molecule of water is released. This oxygen atom is extremely reactive and will attach itself to either another Oxygen atom (forming a stable O2 molecule) or attack a nearby organic molecule. H2O2 will rapidly eliminate the Chlorine used in many municipal water supplies, as well as degrade any pesticides, herbicides or other organic matter that might be present. Well water is often high in methane and organic sulfates, both of which H2O2 will remove. Both the stable and O- forms will increase the level of dissolved oxygen. Increasing the DO in your nutrient solution will benefit the root system and be detrimental to harmful anaerobic bacteria such as pythium. Many disease-causing organisms and spores are killed by the free O- atom. The free Oxygen atom will destroy dead organic material (i.e., leaves and roots) in the system, preventing them from rotting and spreading diseases. H2O2 will help eliminate existing infections and will help prevent future ones. It is also useful for suppressing algae growth.

Over Watering

Both soil and hydroponic plants often fall prey to the same syndrome. Hydroponic crops often fail due to "root rot" and soil crops succumb to "over-watering." The actual cause is a shortage of Oxygen at the root zone, allowing a Pythium infection to take hold. In a soil system, the soil consists of particles, a film of water on the particles and air spaces between the particles. When too much water is put into the soil, the air spaces fill with liquid. The roots will quickly use up the dissolved oxygen within these pore spaces. If the root system has not absorbed the water within these pore spaces, air will not be able to enter and Oxygen within that space will become depleted. In a low oxygen environment, roots will begin dying within twenty-four hours. As the roots die, the plant�s ability to uptake water and nutrients will drastically decrease, and the plant will show symptoms of nutrient deficiencies (pale leaves, and slow growth). Plants will start to wilt (appearing water deficient) � at this point many growers will mistakenly water their plants! In a Hydroponic system, oxygen deprivation is often caused by high temperatures and inadequate nutrient circulation and/or aeration. High reservoir temperatures interfere with Oxygen's ability to dissolve into water. Temperatures above 70F (20C) will eventually cause problems, 62F-65F (16C-18C) is recommended. Oxygen deprivation symptoms in hydroponics are similar to that of soil - but at least you are able to check the roots. Healthy roots should be mostly white with maybe a slight yellowish tan tinge. If they are a brownish color with dead tips or they easily pull away there is at least the beginning of a serious problem. An organic, �dirt like� rotting smell means there is already a very good chance it is too late. As roots die and rot, they remove Oxygen out of the water; as Oxygen levels are depleted even further. more will roots die - a viscous circle!. Reduced Oxygen levels and high temperatures encourage anaerobic bacteria and fungi, which attack the plant further mercilessly.

How does Hydrogen Peroxide prevent root rot & over-watering

Plants watered with H2O2 will experience extra oxygen in the root zone when the peroxide breaks down. This helps stop the Oxygen from being depleted in the water filled air spaces until air can get back into them. High Oxygen levels at the roots will encourage rapid healthy root growth. In a Hydroponic systems, H2O2 will disperse through out the system and raise Oxygen levels as it breaks down. Strong white healthy roots with lots of fuzzy new growth will be visible. This fuzzy growth has massive surface area allowing for rapid absorption of the huge amounts of water and nutrients needed for rapid top growth. A healthy plant starts with a healthy root system.

How to use/apply it

H2O2 comes in several different strengths: 3%, 5%, 8% and 35%, also sold as food grade Hydrogen Peroxide. The most economical is 35% which we recommend be diluted to three percent before using. When working with food grade H2O2, it is very important that you clean up any spills or splashes immediately, it will damage almost oxidize everything very quickly. Skin will be temporarily bleached pure white if not washed cleaned. Gloves are strongly recommended when working with any strong chemical. Food grade H2O2 can be diluted to three percent by mixing it one part to eleven parts water (preferably distilled). The storage container should be opaque to prevent light from getting in and it must be able to hold some pressure. If three-liter pop bottles are available in your area they are ideal for mixing and storing H2O2. There are twelve quarter liters (250ml) in three liters, if you put in one quarter liter H2O2 and eleven quarter liters (250ml) water in the bottle it will full of three percent H2O2 and the bottle can hold the pressure that the H2O2 will generate. Three percent Hydrogen Peroxide may be added at up to 3 ml's per liter (2 1/2 tsp. per gallon), but it is recommended that you start at a lower concentration and increase to full strength over a few weeks. For hydroponic applications, use every reservoir change and replace twenty-five percent (one quarter) every day. Example: In a 100L (25gal) reservoir you would add three hundred ml's (3%) H2O2 when changing the nutrient.

You would then add seventy-five ml's more every day. [Editor�s note: high concentrations of H2o2 can be detrimental to organic additives (such as beneficial additives) and organic nutrient mixtures.]
I stopped using it because i bleached my hands too often.. Looked too strange for me. I used to have white finger prints for the logest time. Bleached from the h202. I would probably use it again it i was running hydro.

Bh.
 

FullDuplex

Well-Known Member
Pardon my french... Holy Shit!!!!!
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Im gonna second that one BH

I dont know how in the Hell i missed that this morning sorry Mossy

That is some serious root development there sir, i swear there is more to the vinegar than we all think
and after seeing this there is no doubt i am gonna make the switch. If my water is close to pH correct than it shouldn't take much vinegar to balance out my water. This is fantastic my friend completely incredible :clap:
 

John Mondello

Active Member
I stopped using it because i bleached my hands too often.. Looked too strange for me. I used to have white finger prints for the logest time. Bleached from the h202. I would probably use it again it i was running hydro.

Bh.

A lil tip for all.. when using nutrients or h202... wy screw around?

This is easssssssssssssssy!

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J
 

Bighill

Active Member
JM, perfect mate.. I didn't even think of that. Amazing how the simplest of things can allude a person :D:D
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to John Mondello again.
38 days is crazy.. Is this some thing we can buy or is this some AF folk lore?
 

teflondummy

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I am pleased with this thing. She seems to be the most rapidly growing girl in my patch. I had to spread the branches out a little so the colas would have room. They were all growing straight up the middle. Day 45 and she is starting to show some frostiness.#8day45b.jpg#8day45.jpg#8day45a.jpg this was it 10 days ago#8day35.jpg
 

FullDuplex

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JM, perfect mate.. I didn't even think of that. Amazing how the simplest of things can allude a person :D:D


38 days is crazy.. Is this some thing we can buy or is this some AF folk lore?
Im going to go with folk lore my friend, i have seen the ducksfoot but this 38 day stuff there is no way
Unless its a micro pheno and they still take 6-7 to get a full mature trich
 

John Mondello

Active Member
yeah, i didn't think that was realistic... but its enticing!lol

ps fd... dunno if you saw the link but i dropped it for ya back there... that meter, cleaning solution, ph cal solution 7.01 and 4.xx, next day ship... 196 us

J
 

mossys

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Magic vinegar addative eh?! I can't wait to try it.. If it does this kind of stuff. Why am i bothering with expensive addatives.
You are right BH...I am using the vinegar AS my buffer...no expensive additives..
it's costing me about 10 cents per 50 ltrs/110 pints.

I Think that you are probably right too that a lot of it is Simply because I have the PH right..
and stopped nute lock-out..
the plants themselves are now SO responsive..when I fert..I SEE it.

JM...your PH is a Bit better/lower than mine...
so I would say...
add 1 TABLESPOON..15 mls to a Gallon of water...
agitate well..
then re-test.

I'm just going back over the last few pages..
BUT..
FullD...I have a handle on that Cheap Soil PH meter...and it IS reading my water PH quite accurately..IMO...

might do you until you can afford a posh one..

I know you have your christmas pressie already reserved.

It hurts so bad to look at all this great looking bud on this thread when I have nothing to smoke:sad:
Aw M8..I'm feeling your pain..when I did my first grow I was virtually licking the screen seeing everybody elses girls.
Amazing Luck with the lights....
But..
how stupid was the dick that left them...talk about asking to be found out.....:o

This is fantastic my friend completely incredible :clap:
Well m8..if you hadn't got me checking my water..I never would have thought of it.
Pardon my french... Holy Shit!!!!!
Ooooh..That was about My thoughts too..
I said there was no way they should be so big..above the soil..in that pot...
Now we know why.

Hope I'm not a little too late with the transplant..
But..
I Had to Try to give them their head.

Time will tell...

It is just first germ on that particular set of f3 Oguns...they are the mixed sati/indy phenos.
 

FullDuplex

Well-Known Member
yeah, i didn't think that was realistic... but its enticing!lol

ps fd... dunno if you saw the link but i dropped it for ya back there... that meter, cleaning solution, ph cal solution 7.01 and 4.xx, next day ship... 196 us

J
Yep got it my friend and saved to the fav's ill be getting that come first of the year
ive spent to much on christmas this year so i got to save a little more before i go buying parts again :)
 

John Mondello

Active Member
You are right BH...I am using the vinegar AS my buffer...no expensive additives..
it's costing me about 10 cents per 50 ltrs/110 pints.

I Think that you are probably right too that a lot of it is Simply because I have the PH right..
and stopped nute lock-out..
the plants themselves are now SO responsive..when I fert..I SEE it.

JM...your PH is a Bit better/lower than mine...
so I would say...
add 1 TABLESPOON..15 mls to a Gallon of water...
agitate well..
then re-test.

I'm just going back over the last few pages..
BUT..
FullD...I have a handle on that Cheap Soil PH meter...and it IS reading my water PH quite accurately..IMO...

might do you until you can afford a posh one..

I know you have your christmas pressie already reserved.

I knew you'd come through brother!

:)

Tonights watering they will be on correct ph, h2o2, ... dialed the eff in!
 

John Mondello

Active Member
Yep got it my friend and saved to the fav's ill be getting that come first of the year
ive spent to much on christmas this year so i got to save a little more before i go buying parts again :)
know that feeling all to well! started out to spend the 129 for it... then realized... I gotta keep it calibrated and maintained or it will end up like my old milwaukee ($350) shit the bed on me after 6 months... i was so pissed... and couldn't even afford to ship it back at the time! lol

its still floating around here somewhere... lol

i like my hanna wayyyyyyyyyy better!

replaceable probe too!

J
 
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