The Art of The Auto

John Mondello

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JM..they are looking Great m8..you must be well Proud m8...
I can only guess at the smell that is coming out of that room now..

Certainly making the most of every spare inch in the grow room..
Bitch karma sent..

I Think you right about the big bud...
I would class them as pre-pistilate until I saw bud bredth...widening..
Very proud thank you! The smell is incredible.. thinking about getting some ona gel in addition to the 2 ozone gens I have running.. (one in the room so exhaust doesn't get poeple high downwind, and one in the main living space to kill it for visitors.) and poss another ozonator for the main space... also read that I should remove the ozonators last 2 weeks of flowering as it will" reduce the smell of the buds" which to me can only mean the loss of turpines! A cost I am unwilling to incur!

Glad my analysis on the Big Bud sounds ok to you... I'm dialing in more and more thanks to you, FD, and many others! (most of our regular forum visitors) - thanks again all!

FD- I also am very much looking forward to your iterations!

J

The ususal concerns are setting in...as my inexperience with autos.... afraid I will overgrow my space! I really cant afford to build a "contingency cabinet" at the moment.
 

mossys

Active Member
Well she wouldn't flower so I put her on 12/12 on Nov 29th to give her a kick in the ass!! Well I thought it worked and saw some white pistols but they seem to be shriveling...or I was just seeing things!!!
Auto's don't need a kick in the ass..
But..
I'm wondering....
IF she isn't Auto..12/12 may have kicked her pre-pistilate..and by taking her back you may have knocked this off..
that is why you saw them then they shrivelled.

Is autoberry on our non-af list..can't remember...

IMO..I would stick her straight back on 12/12

Any chance your tanks have Stagnant water...?
Lift the lid and sniff..
because that looks like it May be stagnant water damage.

FullD will probably tell you.
 

John Mondello

Active Member
Auto's don't need a kick in the ass..
But..
I'm wondering....
IF she isn't Auto..12/12 may have kicked her pre-pistilate..and by taking her back you may have knocked this off..
that is why you saw them then they shrivelled.

Is autoberry on our non-af list..can't remember...

IMO..I would stick her straight back on 12/12

Any chance your tanks have Stagnant water...?
Lift the lid and sniff..
because that looks like it May be stagnant water damage.

FullD will probably tell you.
worded so much better! Forgot to mention that it sounded as though it wasn't a true auto... got caught up on the nutes n stuff :)

and please mosser... tell me my 7 auto berries aren't gonna be a rip-off!

J
 

K21701

Active Member
Auto's don't need a kick in the ass..
But..
I'm wondering....
IF she isn't Auto..12/12 may have kicked her pre-pistilate..and by taking her back you may have knocked this off..
that is why you saw them then they shrivelled.

Is autoberry on our non-af list..can't remember...

IMO..I would stick her straight back on 12/12

Any chance your tanks have Stagnant water...?
Lift the lid and sniff..
because that looks like it May be stagnant water damage.

FullD will probably tell you.
I just did a water change 2 days ago and it didn't smell bad when I changed it...she has been back on 12/12 for a few days now so I will leave her there and see how she does...she has a sister in the same reservoir that is doing just fine so not sure wheat her problem is...Also forgot to add that the reason I put her on 12/12 is because it had been 60 days from seed and still no flowering...guess I just should have kept her on 12/12.....live and learn!!
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K21701

Active Member
k21701... just for my own personal curiosity... what where the stresses she experienced?

J
Well where do I start???? She was started in an aerogarden with her sisters which she quickly outgrew. They were moved to a new container into a small stealth grow box. Since she was refusing to flower she continued to get bigger and bigger and outgrew that home. I converted half my dresser into a new cabinet for her so she was moved again. I added a 150w hps not realizing that it needed to be further away so she was a bit heat stressed. Well she still refused to flower and got quite a bit taller. She was getting to close to the light and I have nowhere else to move her so I tried to bend her down and her main snapped up near the top. Since it didn't snap all the way off i was able to tape it up and she healed like a champ! She has been through a lot since this was my first time...On a good note I have learned a lot and will not be making the same mistakes again!!!
 

FullDuplex

Well-Known Member
I need some help/advice here...This are pics of my auto berry that was germed on Oct 1st. This is my first grow and have made some mistakes and she was stressed by a few moves. Well she wouldn't flower so I put her on 12/12 on Nov 29th to give her a kick in the ass!! Well I thought it worked and saw some white pistols but they seem to be shriveling...or I was just seeing things!!! Well she is not looking good. I am thinking of just chucking her and starting new. Temps get down to 63 at night and up to 73 during the day with humidity at 35%....ph is 5.7 and ppm's are 900. Using GH bloom and Hygrozyme. I was trying to raise temps in their room so I turned on some cfl's that sat down next to the bucket and water temp got way to warm....:wall: Any advice to help her or should I just rip her out and start new...I am leaving town for a week during the holidays and have no one to look after her. Was going to get a small pump and a 5 gallon bucket of ph'd water and set it up to add water to the reservoir while I was gone but if it is not worth it I won't spend the extra money.
I dont know where to begin on this one
After reading your later posts ( i have been doing what BH does and read this thing backwards now) i see that she has been through some hell. The one thing that does not make sense to me is the fact that both of these plants are in the same res. I cant see it being this extreme and not effecting both of the plants.

The one thing that i can tell you that stresses them the most is the heat. Both from the light as well as the warm res water. If a plant is exposed to warm water in a res over enough time it will destroy its root structure. Its that simple. It causes all kinds of bacteria growth as well as the main source of root rot.

i know you said that there was no smell to the res at all but that just means it hasn't gone stagnant yet, and thats because of the o2 in the water from the DWC setup. If there is o2 running the water is moving it cant get stagnant, BUT it can still grow bacteria if the water is to warm and buy the look of that plant the heat from above and in the water did her in. The other things that you did with the burnt tops and breaking the main cola added insult to injury. I also have to agree with Mossy that the reason you saw pistils and then they went away was because of the light changes. it needs to stay on 12/12 from here on out.

Now here is the interesting thing, again you said that they are in the same res, im starting to think that you had two different plant demands there. We are always talking about how not to plants are alike. It seems yours really fit the bill. Im thinking that one of the gals was more easy going than the other one was. Like the needs of the almost dead one were totally different from the flowering one. The environment in the res may have been perfect/ideal for the one but the other needed more delicate care.

Now how to fix it. You MAY still have a chance to correct this damage, but its gonna kill you in yield. You have to make a decision at this point, if its worth fixing and getting a small yield, cause its gonna take a week or so for this thing to recover, or like you said scrap it and start over. If you want to eep it you need to clean that res. empty it, bleach it, rinse it and then balance the shit out of that water. i would also recommend getting it in its own home. Go get a 5 gal bucket and a lid, and retro fit you basket into the lid and go. This plant is going to need attention and i dont think having it in the same res with the other is a good idea at this time.

You are gonna have to change the water and feed to get this one back on track if you keep it, so all those changes may impact the girl that is already flowering. then you would be out 2 and we dont want that.
 

K21701

Active Member
That small one is just about done and will be chopped in 8 days...I can't afford to leave her until I get back from my holidays so I need enough time to hang her up to dry and then pop it in a jar and take it with me...she is about 50% clear, 40% cloudy and 10% amber so she should be set to chop by then. Also after I clean the reservoir and refill should I just use ph'd water with no nutes and maybe some hydrogen peroxide(how much per gallon?) to clean up any dead root matter that may be lurking? I can't really move her into a 5 gallon bucket as my space is not tall enough and I have no where else to move her.
 

mossys

Active Member
Now here is the interesting thing, again you said that they are in the same res, im starting to think that you had two different plant demands there
Aye..so am I...
That small one is just about done and will be chopped in 8 days...
One Auto..and one non-auto..
Your small one is Probably an auto.

Back soon...still more chores....no rest for the Wicked....:evil:
 

K21701

Active Member
Well they are both the same...or supposed to be....lol...guess I won't be growing auto berrys again!!!!
 

John Mondello

Active Member
you HAVE learned many lessons... dont feel bad... we've all been through some, or all, or some variation of all of those.

Run her out... love her your best... keep her on 12/12...

do your pump setup anyway... you'll need it again...

J
 

FullDuplex

Well-Known Member
Your small one is Probably an auto.
I am willing to bet that as well. I think that these autoberry seeds are at F2 maybe F3 i think that if it were F3 than we would be seeing more autos so thats why i am thinking F2. Either way it goes i do believe that there were two different plant demands there.

K21701 said:
Well they are both the same...or supposed to be....lol...guess I won't be growing auto berrys again!!!!
well if these are still in non-af to af roll then you will see this kinds of variation in the plants and would also explain why there were two different demands from the plants. One made it to flower and the other needed to be persuaded to do so and then went to hell. This is why it is so important to research, research, research your strain before you purchase it.

None the less the flowering lady looks great and you can tell she likes what you did as she is flowering for you keeping that promise :)
 

Bighill

Active Member
K: Can you show us some pics of the roots? If they are even a bit brown they are damaged.. Possibly beyond repair, if they are slimy. I used to love using the H202 when i did hydro. I was told you have to let the res sit for 24 hours before the extra oxygen atom can be released into the water. Seemed to be some thing too it, the sides of the res looked like the solution had been carbonated.

It will also decontamminate your solution.

My gut says you are dealing with a defficency from some thing i am going to say phos or K early K if it is, deffinatly a flower nute. The fact it is affecting the new leaves so much too. 900ppm seems a bit low for a hungry gal. The burnt tips and egle clawed leaves tells me you've tried to dose it with some N heavy nutes. N looks good. I will mull over some stuff i have and come back to you guys.
Since i am off work the next 2 days.. i have nothing but free time.

The sensativity to nutes comes from any blueberry. They are all picky.. DWC would be almost tailored to blue berry. you could have a custom res mix for each if you wanted.

Bh.
 

John Mondello

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Now here is the interesting thing, again you said that they are in the same res, im starting to think that you had two different plant demands there. We are always talking about how not to plants are alike. It seems yours really fit the bill. Im thinking that one of the gals was more easy going than the other one was. Like the needs of the almost dead one were totally different from the flowering one. The environment in the res may have been perfect/ideal for the one but the other needed more delicate care.
not to be contradictory here, and this also may be a factor, but IMO the evidential damage sounds like it was from all the stress of that... i know another guy who went through jst about all exactly the same thing and it def hurt the plants.... both of these did not endure all of the stresses correct? 1 got all the ass-kicking and 1 only got res / changes.


or... edit... perhaps I stand corrected?

well if these are still in non-af to af roll then you will see this kinds of variation in the plants and would also explain why there were two different demands from the plants. One made it to flower and the other needed to be persuaded to do so and then went to hell. This is why it is so important to research, research, research your strain before you purchase it.
J
 

Bighill

Active Member
ZZZzzip-idee-do-dah.....

Zzip..ideee..ay....



my oh my who got transplant today....
Pardon my french... Holy Shit!!!!!
You need air pots mossy.. They would be completly out of hand.. ahahha

Magic vinegar addative eh?! I can't wait to try it.. If it does this kind of stuff. Why am i bothering with expensive addatives.

Bh.
 

K21701

Active Member
Thanks guys for all the words of encouragement....it is much appreciated. I am at work right now and when I get home I will snap some photos of the roots.

John: I will take your advice and purchase the pump...Her and I will fight this through until the bitter end!!!!! lol

BH- should I just be using nutes for flowering to help her out and if so what should my PPM's be? Also how much peroxide per gallon of water should I use?

Any other advice/suggestions please post here as I keep up with this thread numerous time throughout the day
 

John Mondello

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FD.... you'll like this...

and mossery! We're PH (and prob cal/mag) Brothers!

oh yeah just to clarify.. I test cold and hot water both... you'll notice a small PH change and a fairly large tds change



ROFL.... so how much vinegar?

J

ps glad to help K
 

K21701

Active Member
not to be contradictory here, and this also may be a factor, but IMO the evidential damage sounds like it was from all the stress of that... i know another guy who went through jst about all exactly the same thing and it def hurt the plants.... both of these did not endure all of the stresses correct? 1 got all the ass-kicking and 1 only got res / changes.


or... edit... perhaps I stand corrected?

J
The big girl definitely had more of an ass kicking!!!! But up to the time where I broke her top she was doing really well except for not flowering... I think the hot temps in the reservoir really did the most damage to her...
 
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