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FullDuplex

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FullD...I have a handle on that Cheap Soil PH meter...and it IS reading my water PH quite accurately..IMO...

might do you until you can afford a posh one..

I know you have your christmas pressie already reserved.
sweet glad to hear that. I may just go ahead and order that one till i get back around to the first of the year
I tell ya christmas for Lady D and fam was expensive this year goodness :wall:

and my gift is already here my friend, im just not allowed to have it till christmas morning :sad:
 

mossys

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talk about torture! lol
Yeah..I know what he has got........
and it has to be killing him.....;-)

sweet glad to hear that
knowing how the light levels move round the patio is good..
and I'm using the moisture level every morning to check before I water.

I thought it was out compared to the tablet PH water guage...
but today...I gave it a good wiggle in the water..
and lo and behold..
it is corresponding with the tablet guage.

Bang.....does what it says on the box....:clap:

I am pleased with this thing
so would I be teflondummy..she is a Stunner....they are little Pets aren't they...?

Tonights watering they will be on correct ph, h2o2, ... dialed the eff in!
JM..when ou try it..get me the PH level on the measures I gave you...
so I can See how much I'm out..
then we can start to give more accurate doseage out to people...
cheers m8....
 

FullDuplex

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and it has to be killing him.....;-)
You already know it is i want it so bad i can taste it.....kinda lol

Bang.....does what it says on the box....:clap:
Nice thats always a plus when you buy something blind on line.
when it does what it says its gonna do then it makes it that much more valuable to you

then we can start to give more accurate doseage out to people...
cheers m8....
See just what i love most about this thread live experiments as well as live results
almost like canna live or something.
 

John Mondello

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You already know it is i want it so bad i can taste it.....kinda lol



Nice thats always a plus when you buy something blind on line.
when it does what it says its gonna do then it makes it that much more valuable to you



See just what i love most about this thread live experiments as well as live results
almost like canna live or something.
well as soon as its legalized we'll put up the first live interconnected webcast of all the research parties grow setups to one slecteable feed...
I can actually do this btw.


JM..when ou try it..get me the PH level on the measures I gave you...
so I can See how much I'm out..
then we can start to give more accurate doseage out to people...
cheers m8....
will mark it to a C- hair m8

also ordering a light meter and power meter today... i'll tro' linx
 

Harry Bald Sack

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Im gonna second that one BH

I dont know how in the Hell i missed that this morning sorry Mossy

That is some serious root development there sir, i swear there is more to the vinegar than we all think
and after seeing this there is no doubt i am gonna make the switch. If my water is close to pH correct than it shouldn't take much vinegar to balance out my water. This is fantastic my friend completely incredible :clap:
I should have taken a picture when I transplanted yesterday. The whole coffee can was nothing but roots. It looked allot like Mossy's except her roots were not quite as compacted on the bottom as Mossy's. Could the vinegar be the common denominator here? So far it is unanimous... vinegar is definitely the thing to use to buffer alkaline water.

FD.. The well water that comes out of my tap rings in at 7.2 on avg. It only takes me a little over 1/8 teaspoon of distilled white vinegar (5% acidity) for 1 gallon to drop my H20 to 6.5.
 

FullDuplex

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FD.. The well water that comes out of my tap rings in at 7.2 on avg. It only takes me a little over 1/8 teaspoon of distilled white vinegar (5% acidity) for 1 gallon to drop my H20 to 6.5.
Nice you have the same in your well that i get out of my Tap. I get 7.1 out of the tap like clock work. So this info is fantastic for me. It usually take about the same for the chemical i use to get it down to 6.0. Im gonna have to give this a run soon. Im about to refill all my jugs tonight as i have emptied them all in prep for the vinegar testing. Ive got a few germs in the ground that will be getting nothing but the vinegar treatment as well as tea's only. That way it is 100% organic. Nice clean slate to test on and i will not be amending my soil as normal for the test run.
I want to test these JEMS in a clean compo environment. No blood and bone meal and all that good shit in the soil, just the cow poo :) then the teas from sex to harvest.
 

Harry Bald Sack

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Nice you have the same in your well that i get out of my Tap. I get 7.1 out of the tap like clock work. So this info is fantastic for me. It usually take about the same for the chemical i use to get it down to 6.0. Im gonna have to give this a run soon. Im about to refill all my jugs tonight as i have emptied them all in prep for the vinegar testing. Ive got a few germs in the ground that will be getting nothing but the vinegar treatment as well as tea's only. That way it is 100% organic. Nice clean slate to test on and i will not be amending my soil as normal for the test run.
I want to test these JEMS in a clean compo environment. No blood and bone meal and all that good shit in the soil, just the cow poo :) then the teas from sex to harvest.
Right On! Maybe use your old buffering solution on one of the germs so you can get a definite side by side analysis?
 

FullDuplex

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to FullDuplex again.

:)
Well thanks for the attempt anyway JM i appreciate it. Its been taken mentally :)

Right On! Maybe use your old buffering solution on one of the germs so you can get a definite side by side analysis?
Thats a good idea HBS i think ill have to do that and see the differences then we will be able to see if its just pH or if there is more with that vinegar than we think.
 

nealcook420

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A few pictures of ALF#3.
Shes budding nicely, I'm going to have to net her when the buds get thicker.
The building that I had to turn into a grow room has shelves with 20yr old canned food on it, I'm cleaning it a little at a time. When I get rid of all of them I'm cloroxing everything from roof to floor.
 

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Bighill

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I have been doing some reading on vinegar today. In the thinking that there had to me more to it than just PH. I looked into WHAT makes up vinegar. Turns out mossy might have stumbled upon some thing here. Check this out.

Actually, there are quite a few reasons they might use vinegar.

One would be that their water supply may be quite hard. It seems plants have a very hard time of absorbing nutrients in extremely hard water. (Mine is off the scale above 8.5 for ph)

Second, vinegars like old fashioned apple cider vinegar (the kind that is cloudy looking because they don't filter out all the residues and pulp etc) contains a great deal of minerals and other items that are very good for plants. HOWEVER, you do need to significantly water down the vinegar, because vinegar used straight or in too high of a concentration will kill plants very quickly.

For evidence, I found the following quote on another web site:
Quote:
The following USDA website indicates that cider vinegar contains some essential mineral nutrients, including significant amounts of potassium (730 mg/liter), phosphorus (80 mg/liter), calcium (70 mg/liter) and magnesium (50 mg/liter). Compare these numbers to those for a Hoagland Solution at the bottom. Note that the USDA tables use units of mg per 100 grams. Multiply by 10 to get standard units of mg/liter.

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/
I can't find my other quote right now, but I remember reading that the old fashioned type of apple cider vinegar will also encourage and feed beneficial bacteria and other soil organisms - which in turn will better feed your plant.


I'm just experimenting this year with using natural materials - non-animal based - as fertilizers. It is quite amazing what you can find out with a little persistent digging online. I am going non-animal because I have a horrible time keeping the critters from digging up all my plants when I use animal based material. I'm glad that happened, or I'd never have discovered the wonders of alfalfa, molasses and even dandelion greens and flowers for steeping a "tea" to feed my plants. It's only been a month or so, but my plants have reacted more positively to this gentle fertilizer than anything I've ever fed them before. But I digress - you asked about vinegar. My point is, if the gentleman is using vinegar and you see he has wonderful plants keep investigating and give it a try yourself. Nay sayers will always be there to tell you "don't bother!" - but until you try it - you just don't know what you're missing. :)
Potassium, Phos?? Mag.. Cal.. These are all essential flower nutes.. :D:D:D
 

teflondummy

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A few pictures of ALF#3.
Shes budding nicely, I'm going to have to net her when the buds get thicker.
The building that I had to turn into a grow room has shelves with 20yr old canned food on it, I'm cleaning it a little at a time. When I get rid of all of them I'm cloroxing everything from roof to floor.
Dam that is a lot of plant coming out of that little pot
 

b.R.

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i have had the same problem... my tap water runs about 7.8 out of the tap. I use the apple cider vinegar(5% acidity) to lower the ph down to around 6.4-6.5. i usually use around 3/4 of a tablespoon per gallon and it has worked great so far.. i have read about the white wine vineger and also have looked at it in the store and the one i looked at was an organic white wine vinegar at about 8% acidity.... i think vinegar works great.
 

nealcook420

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Dam that is a lot of plant coming out of that little pot
Fox Farms does wonders my man.
Grow Big, Tiger Bloom & Big Bloom...
Also I Ph the water/solution at 5.5 so when it mixes in the soil the run off is only 6.5/6.8ph... Apparently its perfect conditions...
I am going to seed this big bitch with another medium size ALF#3 and on one or two branches I'm hitting her with Bad Betty pollin...
 

teflondummy

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Fox Farms does wonders my man.
Grow Big, Tiger Bloom & Big Bloom...
Also I Ph the water/solution at 5.5 so when it mixes in the soil the run off is only 6.5/6.8ph... Apparently its perfect conditions...
I am going to seed this big bitch with another medium size ALF#3 and on one or two branches I'm hitting her with Bad Betty pollin...
stay green ponyboy.haha
I would have to say that it does do wonders. I am going to switch to fox farms when my earth juice runs out. I am also going to do a little side by side comparison with the FFOF soil and MG organic choice to see if it deserves the hype it gets.
 

Harry Bald Sack

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I would have to say that it does do wonders. I am going to switch to fox farms when my earth juice runs out. I am also going to do a little side by side comparison with the FFOF soil and MG organic choice to see if it deserves the hype it gets.
I have seen someone do a side by side somewhere on here and from the last I read the MG was actually out performing the FF.
 
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