That's In The First Ammendment? (lulz)

[Parker]

LOL like I said I own a tattoo shop, I deal with Government agencies CONSTANTLY. My local and state Board of Health, OSHA, state licensing etc. etc......Whuile it might be a pain in the ass, especially in my industry the oversight is a necessary evil. Without it there would be 1,000,00's of hack tattoo "artists" out there spreading diseases or even killing people because of poor sanitation and sterility habits. Sometimes you have to take a little bad in order to get more good.

Wouldn't places like that go out of business quick and get sued alot? Why are the people so stupid that they would get tattoos from these places? Isn't the smart thing to do is some research on the place as well as what to look for in a tat man or woman? Especially nowadays with the wealth of information at our fingertips.
I don't have a tat but something like that, which is going to stay with you for a long time, shouldn't be a snap decision imo. I would want the tat shop that displayed a sign something like our disinfectant is tuna free. Now I know 2 things about the place that makes me want to spend my money there. They disinfect and its tuna free. (like I said I don't know anything about tats) Why shouldn't my money go to the business that "upgrades" on their own. Even if someone is certified, if I go in and see a bunch of dirt I'm leaving. Screw the certified paperwork.

Let me tell you a little story about certification concerning Rand Paul. He formed his own "eye board certification group" because he didn't like the current "eye board certification group". His opponent said "he isn't certified by the main group". The best comment I heard on this was someone who broke it down to "One made up board is mad at another made up board". And that's what it is. We hear board certified and most of us stop there. We don't ask what that means and if we do we usually get some complicated answer with big words. Rarely do the ones on the board have YOUR interest as number one. Of course they don't want sloppy work but they look out for their interests first.
example - Rand formed his own group because the current board grandfathered in people and said they didn't have to take the re-certification or test whatever word they used. Rands reason was simple. With the new technology coming out the older members have the least knowledge about those particular items so if anyone is lacking in knowledge in that particular area generally it is the ones who have not been "taught" using that technology. The older ones. Common sense.

 

[ink the world]

Wouldn't places like that go out of business quick and get sued alot? Why are the people so stupid that they would get tattoos from these places? Isn't the smart thing to do is some research on the place as well as what to look for in a tat man or woman? Especially nowadays with the wealth of information at our fingertips.
I don't have a tat but something like that, which is going to stay with you for a long time, shouldn't be a snap decision imo. I would want the tat shop that displayed a sign something like our disinfectant is tuna free. Now I know 2 things about the place that makes me want to spend my money there. They disinfect and its tuna free. (like I said I don't know anything about tats) Why shouldn't my money go to the business that "upgrades" on their own. Even if someone is certified, if I go in and see a bunch of dirt I'm leaving. Screw the certified paperwork.

Let me tell you a little story about certification concerning Rand Paul. He formed his own "eye board certification group" because he didn't like the current "eye board certification group". His opponent said "he isn't certified by the main group". The best comment I heard on this was someone who broke it down to "One made up board is mad at another made up board". And that's what it is. We hear board certified and most of us stop there. We don't ask what that means and if we do we usually get some complicated answer with big words. Rarely do the ones on the board have YOUR interest as number one. Of course they don't want sloppy work but they look out for their interests first.
example - Rand formed his own group because the current board grandfathered in people and said they didn't have to take the re-certification or test whatever word they used. Rands reason was simple. With the new technology coming out the older members have the least knowledge about those particular items so if anyone is lacking in knowledge in that particular area generally it is the ones who have not been "taught" using that technology. The older ones. Common sense.

Heres why certifications are important for my industry. I and all my artists must be OSHA/ Red Cross Bloodborne Pathogens certified.

Bloodborne Pathogens are the little microscopic bad boys that can kill you like HIV Hepatitis, MSRA etc. etc.
Being microscopic, you would NEVER know they were there, you cant see them. Even though something may appear to be "clean" it can be covered in pathogens. Some of those pathogens can live in open air for weeks.

Many tattoo shops use metal tubes that are sterilized and then re used. If at ANY time after that tube has been sterilized in an approved Autoclave it is mishandled you are at risk. If the artist does not use proper procedures for something as simple as removing/putting on their gloves you are at risk.
There are TONS of opportunities for a tattoo to go VERY bad if the artist isnt trained and practicing proper cross contamination procedures and using sterile equipment.

While yes it is true that even with certifications and inspections things can go wrong, it does cut down on it. I have seen tons of cases of tattoos going bad and people being infected with all kinds of shit. I cant recall it happening to a licensed shop. Its always the unlicensed scratcher doing tattoos in his basement for a case of beer.

The other thing to consider is if there was any kind of outbreak it would be easy to track down all the customers of a licensed shop. We MUST have a copy of their ID and they sign 2 release forms with contact information; we keep those all on file for 2 full years.. Sorry man, while I disdain the inspections, red tape and fees it's worth it for my industry.

As far as a shop/artist producing inferior work, the free market will take care of that.

 

[Parker]

Heres why certifications are important for my industry. I and all my artists must be OSHA/ Red Cross Bloodborne Pathogens certified.

Bloodborne Pathogens are the little microscopic bad boys that can kill you like HIV Hepatitis, MSRA etc. etc.
Being microscopic, you would NEVER know they were there, you cant see them. Even though something may appear to be "clean" it can be covered in pathogens. Some of those pathogens can live in open air for weeks.

Many tattoo shops use metal tubes that are sterilized and then re used. If at ANY time after that tube has been sterilized in an approved Autoclave it is mishandled you are at risk. If the artist does not use proper procedures for something as simple as removing/putting on their gloves you are at risk.
There are TONS of opportunities for a tattoo to go VERY bad if the artist isnt trained and practicing proper cross contamination procedures and using sterile equipment.

While yes it is true that even with certifications and inspections things can go wrong, it does cut down on it. I have seen tons of cases of tattoos going bad and people being infected with all kinds of shit. I cant recall it happening to a licensed shop. Its always the unlicensed scratcher doing tattoos in his basement for a case of beer.

The other thing to consider is if there was any kind of outbreak it would be easy to track down all the customers of a licensed shop. We MUST have a copy of their ID and they sign 2 release forms with contact information; we keep those all on file for 2 full years.. Sorry man, while I disdain the inspections, red tape and fees it's worth it for my industry.

As far as a shop/artist producing inferior work, the free market will take care of that.

My argument is having local control not Federal control. At least with local control you have a say in it. How can you vote someone from California out if you live in New York?

Has the Tattoo industry gotten safer since this report? Seems like people should understand the risks getting a tattoo. Always good to be informed.

http://www.av1611.org/tattoos/health.html
[FONT=Arial, helvetica]"An alarming research study recently published by Dr. Bob Haley and Dr. Paul Fischer at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical School in Dallas uncovered that the "innocent" commercial tattoo may be the number one distributor of hepatitis C. The study was published in the journal Medicine (Haley RW, Fischer RP, Commercial tattooing as a potentially source of hepatitis C infection, Medicine, March 2000;80:134-151). Dr. Haley, a preventative medicine specialist and a former Center for Disease Control (CDC) infection control official, is exceptionally knowledgeable to prepare the study.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, helvetica]Dr. Haley concludes, "We found that commercially acquired tattoos accounted for more than twice as many hepatitis C infections as injection-drug use. This means it may have been the largest single contributor to the nationwide epidemic of this form of hepatitis."
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[FONT=Arial, helvetica]Incredible. According to Dr. Haley's research you are twice as likely to be infected with hepatitis C from getting a tattoo from a tattoo shop than shooting up dope! With over 20 million Americans wearing a tattoo – and growing by leaps and bounds – we are likely staring down the barrel of a mammoth deadly epidemic."[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, helvetica]"[/FONT][FONT=Arial, helvetica]Did you know the American Red Cross prohibits donors from donating blood for 12 months - one complete year -- after getting tattooed? Their Blood Donation Eligibility Guidelines under "Tattoo" reads, "Wait 12 months after a tattoo. This requirement is related to concerns about hepatitis."[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, helvetica]"[/FONT]Terisa Greene, author of "Ink: The Not-Just-Skin-Deep Guide to Getting a Tattoo." said in a New York Times article that while tattoo parlors should adhere to cleanliness standards, individuals seeking tattoos should be aware of sterilization procedures and what is and is not acceptable."

 

[Mindmelted]

Nice clean un-inked skin here.

I am not a follower.

 

[ink the world]

Parker,

I just read the "study", its laughable at best. Its a one sided hit piece w/ little basis in reality.
Gotta love a scientific study that concludes w/ Bible verses. LOL....that "research" is a load of total absolute bullshit, I love this sentence the most:
"[FONT=Arial, helvetica]many of the customers receiving a tattoo are drug-users, criminals, rock artists, deviants and homosexuals who just happen to be the major carriers of the deadly blood-borne diseases such as AIDS and hepatitis."
Ive tattooed a Nun, a Preacher, the Mayor of my city, more cops and firefighters than I can remember. Guess what? In the thousands of tattoos Ive done and had my artists do, NOT 1 contamination, not fucking one!

And in second place for the bullshit factor:

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, helvetica]"And there exists no or very little federal or state laws enforcing any serious sterilization regulations. It is basically up to the tattoo shop owner to sterilize or not sterilize his tattooing tools and procedures."

LOL my states laws concerning sterilization are 4 pages long. The law covers whats acceptable as a means of sterilization (dry autoclave is not acceptable, only steam), my autoclave is also spore tested every month. The part of the regs concerning cross contamination is 6 pages long and at the time of inspection the artist MUST show the inspector he/her set-up and breakdown procedures to insure that cross contamination isnt going to be a problem.
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Horrible source thats chock full of lies, stereotypes and ends w/ a fucking Bible quote

 

[Johnnyorganic]

Hey Ink, how often does someone get in your chair not expecting the pain?

[video=youtube;kIy8_cTIaYk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIy8_cTIaYk[/video]

[video=youtube;JdEOrg4NnAc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdEOrg4NnAc[/video]

 

[doc111]

Parker,

I just read the "study", its laughable at best. Its a one sided hit piece w/ little basis in reality.
Gotta love a scientific study that concludes w/ Bible verses. LOL....that "research" is a load of total absolute bullshit, I love this sentence the most:
"[FONT=Arial, helvetica]many of the customers receiving a tattoo are drug-users, criminals, rock artists, deviants and homosexuals who just happen to be the major carriers of the deadly blood-borne diseases such as AIDS and hepatitis."[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, helvetica]Ive tattooed a Nun, a Preacher, the Mayor of my city, more cops and firefighters than I can remember. Guess what? In the thousands of tattoos Ive done and had my artists do, NOT 1 contamination, not fucking one![/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, helvetica]And in second place for the bullshit factor:[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, helvetica]"And there exists no or very little federal or state laws enforcing any serious sterilization regulations. It is basically up to the tattoo shop owner to sterilize or not sterilize his tattooing tools and procedures."[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, helvetica]LOL my states laws concerning sterilization are 4 pages long. The law covers whats acceptable as a means of sterilization (dry autoclave is not acceptable, only steam), my autoclave is also spore tested every month. The part of the regs concerning cross contamination is 6 pages long and at the time of inspection the artist MUST show the inspector he/her set-up and breakdown procedures to insure that cross contamination isnt going to be a problem.[/FONT]


Horrible source thats chock full of lies, stereotypes and ends w/ a fucking Bible quote

I think this was probably a true statement 40 years ago, except that AIDS wasn't around then.

 

[ink the world]

Hey Ink, how often does someone get in your chair not expecting the pain?

More than Id care to remember, seems the bigger and tougher the guy the more of a whiner.....Ive only had 2 people cry, both were men.......usually women sit the best.


Doc, very true, even going back 20 years ago sketchy was the norm.......it's a completely new industry in that respect as well as the quality of artists around now.

 

[UncleBuck]

it's a completely new industry in that respect as well as the quality of artists around now.

i'll say. the experience my wife and i had getting tattoos from a friend of ours was top notch. and this guy was just working out of his own place, fresh out of school, and just trying to get some practice on real skin. he ran a very clean and sterile operation every second we were there. i was very impressed.

my wife did not let me get the tattoo i wanted though: a squirrel on my leg reaching for my nuts. come to think of it, i would have probably regretted that one too...

 

[Johnnyorganic]

More than Id care to remember, seems the bigger and tougher the guy the more of a whiner.....Ive only had 2 people cry, both were men.......usually women sit the best.


Doc, very true, even going back 20 years ago sketchy was the norm.......it's a completely new industry in that respect as well as the quality of artists around now.

I have one tattoo. And it's old enough to drink, and I must be honest in that I regret it. In reality, I'm not really a tattoo kind of guy.

In fact, I once met a tattoo collector who said he had never met anybody with just one tat.

It's a small affair, Just the greek letters of my fraternity on the instep of my right foot; just under the shoe line.

It happened so fast I didn't really have a chance to say anything while the artist was applying it. After it was over, the brother who accompanied me saw the stunned look on my face and said, "I guess I should have warned you it smarts a little."

No shit.

i'll say. the experience my wife and i had getting tattoos from a friend of ours was top notch. and this guy was just working out of his own place, fresh out of school, and just trying to get some practice on real skin. he ran a very clean and sterile operation every second we were there. i was very impressed.

my wife did not let me get the tattoo i wanted though: a squirrel on my leg reaching for my nuts. come to think of it, i would have probably regretted that one too...

So what did you opt for? The butterfly or the teddy bear.

Kidding.

 

[UncleBuck]

So what did you opt for? The butterfly or the teddy bear.

Kidding.

something just as lame. i'll post a pic once i work up the courage. luckily, i had a good artist to complete my lackluster design.

i just wanted to give my friend some practice. my amount of regret about it has actually gone down over time, but not completely.

 

[Parker]

Parker,

I just read the "study", its laughable at best. Its a one sided hit piece w/ little basis in reality.
Gotta love a scientific study that concludes w/ Bible verses. LOL....that "research" is a load of total absolute bullshit, I love this sentence the most:
"[FONT=Arial, helvetica]many of the customers receiving a tattoo are drug-users, criminals, rock artists, deviants and homosexuals who just happen to be the major carriers of the deadly blood-borne diseases such as AIDS and hepatitis."
Ive tattooed a Nun, a Preacher, the Mayor of my city, more cops and firefighters than I can remember. Guess what? In the thousands of tattoos Ive done and had my artists do, NOT 1 contamination, not fucking one!

And in second place for the bullshit factor:

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, helvetica]"And there exists no or very little federal or state laws enforcing any serious sterilization regulations. It is basically up to the tattoo shop owner to sterilize or not sterilize his tattooing tools and procedures."

LOL my states laws concerning sterilization are 4 pages long. The law covers whats acceptable as a means of sterilization (dry autoclave is not acceptable, only steam), my autoclave is also spore tested every month. The part of the regs concerning cross contamination is 6 pages long and at the time of inspection the artist MUST show the inspector he/her set-up and breakdown procedures to insure that cross contamination isnt going to be a problem.
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Horrible source thats chock full of lies, stereotypes and ends w/ a fucking Bible quote

Always good to get the point of view of someone in the industry.
Do you have to have insurance to cover damages in case you get sued in order to do tats? I had some work done on my house and made sure to verify the builder had insurance.

 

[ink the world]

Always good to get the point of view of someone in the industry.
Do you have to have insurance to cover damages in case you get sued in order to do tats? I had some work done on my house and made sure to verify the builder had insurance.

I dont have to, but I do. I have EVERY customer sign 2 different waivers before I or any of the artists touch them. Even w/ the waivers id rather have the insurance just in case. It isnt cheap, but worth the piece of mind just in case some retard goes rolling around in dirt after I tattoo him and gets an infection.