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That's In The First Ammendment? (lulz)

Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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medicineman said:
Here's the truth, deal with it. Bush left the mess, created the atmosphere for the banks and wall street to steal the money, corporations incentivized for outsourcing and shipping whole factories overseas, de-regulated everything him and Cheney could in secret, dug a giant hole and slithered out of office just in time for the roof to cave in. Here I thought he was stupid, pretty smart I'd say, now you righties are trying to hang it on Obama. That is all the pathetic crap you have.
Obama has been filling in the hole as fast as he can, but the enormity of the fiasco takes way more than 2 stinkin years to correct, especially with the righties filibustering every bill that could help. Obama may spend a few billion getting us back on track, but without the governments help, we'd be further up shit creek than you could imagine. I love the hypocracy on the right, rag on Obama for increasing the deficit, then turn around and yell that we need to give the rich motherfuckers that caused this fiasco a tax cut of 800 billion, which will go right onto the deficit, then claim how the tax cut for the rich will create all these jobs, while we are still under the tax cuts and no stinkin jobs have been created by the rich motherfuckers, have they? So the truth is there, can you fuckling deal with it, or do you have your head in a dark place?
BTW, asswipe, I'm not your boy.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but do the Democrats not have overwhelming majorities in both Hoses of Congress? As such, Republican opposition was a non-factor for a long time.

During 2009 and part of this year, Republicans did not have the forty members required to filibuster. That flies in the face of your claim of "the righties filibustering every bill that could help."

A few billion? Brack, with the support of Democrats in Congress, is aiming to put us in the hole a few trillion, and it ain't getting us on the right track. Unless your definition of the right track is national insolvency.

Tax cuts don't cause the deficits because it is not the government's money, it is the taxpayer's money; but spending sure the fuck does.

Any hypocrisy on the Right, and I will concede it exists; is equaled or exceeded by the Hypocrisy of the Left.

medicineman said:
So when are you going to get on the ballot? I agree with more than half of your premises, probably more than any other candidate out there.
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Too many skeletons in the closet for me to run (not mention grow equipment - LOL!). I appreciate your commenting on my ideas though.

Remember Med, I only rag on you because I like you. If I didn't like you I would just ignore you.

I only have one response to your statements, that being the NPR/PBS comment. You seem to be forgetting about the commercial Liberal media outlets: MSNBC, the other alphabet channels, and Faux News... err, I mean Comedy Central.
 
PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1

PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1

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But,,,Back to the "original",,,video,,,Please explain,,,How This "Chick",,,Has any brains at all?,,,Why would you vote for this,,,It's worse than "Sara Palin",,,,My thoughts are it does not matter as long as I have "Power",,,But come on People,,,It's Funny and way more scary at the same time,,,Reagan,,Regannomics,,,,Holy cow,,,we are fuged if you want that!!!!! Theocracy,,,alll hail the Flag...History has all the key's to a Good future,,,sad thing is people are not very intellagent and are vested in Lies and corruption
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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medicineman said:
Semantics, eh Johnny. You are right, I knew the content of your reply before you wrote it, Predictable enough I'd say. You always respond with the sane swarmy rhetoric, like you know everything and everyone else is stupid, Prove me wrong.
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Well I certainly don't believe that. Unlike our Dear Leader, I don't assume I am the smartest person in the room.

I have to prove nothing. If you wish to assign labels, the burden of proof is on you lest you appear to be just another name-caller.

You may disagree with my tone (swarmy?) and that's fine. By the way, I think the word you are attempting to label me is smarmy. Used to describe a smug or obnoxious person. :wink:
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1 said:
But,,,Back to the "original",,,video,,,Please explain,,,How This "Chick",,,Has any brains at all?,,,Why would you vote for this,,,It's worse than "Sara Palin",,,,My thoughts are it does not matter as long as I have "Power",,,But come on People,,,It's Funny and way more scary at the same time,,,Reagan,,Regannomics,,,,Holy cow,,,we are fuged if you want that!!!!! Theocracy,,,alll hail the Flag...History has all the key's to a Good future,,,sad thing is people are not very intellagent and are vested in Lies and corruption
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Previously asked by UBuck, and then answered by Yours Truly in post #18.
 
medicineman

medicineman

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Johnnyorganic said:
Well I certainly don't believe that. Unlike our Dear Leader, I don't assume I am the smartest person in the room.

I have to prove nothing. If you wish to assign labels, the burden of proof is on you lest you appear to be just another name-caller.

You may disagree with my tone (swarmy?) and that's fine. By the way, I think the word you are attempting to label me is smarmy. Used to describe a smug or obnoxious person. :wink:
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Bingo, you've nailed it.
 
doc111

doc111

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medicineman said:
Uhh, I believe we were talking about this recession/depression. Nice try though. Change the subject and claim victory.
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It was relevant to YOUR comment that Bush left a "mess" for Obama. It would seem Clinton did the same thing. I never claimed victory either, but nice try.:-P


Fair is fair med. Since you put up an example of a republican president leaving a mess for his democratic successor, I simply showed you that HIS democratic predecessor did the EXACT SAME THING! How is that changing the subject?:? I guess I'm just too stupid to understand all this political mumbo jumbo. :dunce:
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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medicineman said:
Bingo, you've nailed it.
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All I did was make an educated guess based on your use of a non-existent word.

If that's how you view me, I can accept that. Smug and obnoxious do not equal incorrect.

Just as I can translate your meaning in the use of the word predictable; another word for that is consistent. Not a bad thing to be, I must say.

EDIT: What is 'We people of "intellect"' if not the very definition of smug and obnoxious? Aside from being naive and quite incorrect at the same time.

LOL?

LOL!
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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doc111 said:
It was relevant to YOUR comment that Bush left a "mess" for Obama. It would seem Clinton did the same thing. I never claimed victory either, but nice try.:-P


Fair is fair med. Since you put up an example of a republican president leaving a mess for his democratic successor, I simply showed you that HIS democratic predecessor did the EXACT SAME THING! How is that changing the subject?:? I guess I'm just too stupid to understand all this political mumbo jumbo. :dunce:
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few differences though: clinton left that bush feller with a surplus, pay-go in place, and a small recession.

bush left that obama feller with a GINORMOUS deficit, pay-go dismantled, and a GINORMOUS recession.

not really comparable at all.
 
doc111

doc111

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UncleBuck said:
few differences though: clinton left that bush feller with a surplus, pay-go in place, and a small recession.

bush left that obama feller with a GINORMOUS deficit, pay-go dismantled, and a GINORMOUS recession.

not really comparable at all.
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I'm sure Clinton would've left a bigger recession if he could've.:roll:
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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UncleBuck said:
few differences though: clinton left that bush feller with a surplus, pay-go in place, and a small recession.
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You mean projected surplus, which was produced by a Republican Congress, and which Billy Boy agreed to reluctantly. A projection which covered ten years and did not factor in niggling little contingencies like 911.

Which segways to the other thing Clinton left for Dubya: A demoralized and weakened national security apparatus in spite of the fact that America had been attacked by Al Queda time and time again on Clinton's watch.

UncleBuck said:
bush left that obama feller with a GINORMOUS deficit, pay-go dismantled, and a GINORMOUS recession.
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Not nearly as ginormous as the one we are saddled with now. Not even close.

UncleBuck said:
not really comparable at all.
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Ultimately the whole inherited argument is a false narrative. One cannot 'inherit' an elected office, especially when one actively campaigned for said office for just under two years.

To say you inherited a task you asked for is disingenuous and cowardly.
 
PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1

PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1

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UncleBuck said:
few differences though: clinton left that bush feller with a surplus, pay-go in place, and a small recession.

bush left that obama feller with a GINORMOUS deficit, pay-go dismantled, and a GINORMOUS recession.

not really comparable at all.
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Oh I am sure at the last many years of the"Best Pesident",,,In my life time,,,Was in a "Lame Duct,,,syndome",,,In other words ":The Rublicans,,,Controlled Everything"...."snuggles I Love you!!!!" getting Ripe.:D:bigjoint:
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Johnnyorganic said:
Not nearly as ginormous as the one we are saddled with now. Not even close.
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funny how that happens during a GINORMOUS recession. completely unexpected and funny.

wouldn't have been half as bad if some naughty little fuckers didn't get rid of pay go. where was the tea party when those supposedly fiscally responsible repubs were racking up these GINORMOUS deficits. nowhere, that's where. they were sitting at home, collecting their ss checks, ssd checks, medicare and other entitlements, thanks to that wondeful juggernaut the fed gov.

and thank you, i did mean projected surplus. which got turned into a record deficit by the pretzel choker.
 
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Parker

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medicineman said:
Here's the truth, deal with it. Bush left the mess, created the atmosphere for the banks and wall street to steal the money, corporations incentivized for outsourcing and shipping whole factories overseas, de-regulated everything him and Cheney could in secret, dug a giant hole and slithered out of office just in time for the roof to cave in. Here I thought he was stupid, pretty smart I'd say, now you righties are trying to hang it on Obama. That is all the pathetic crap you have.
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The current economic mess we are in right now is a result of both the dems and the repubs voting in Bush catastrophic housing for all plan. To blame it on one party or President is ignorant. A few people saw this coming and wanted to reverse the free money for the GSE.
medicineman said:
Obama has been filling in the hole as fast as he can, but the enormity of the fiasco takes way more than 2 stinkin years to correct, especially with the righties filibustering every bill that could help. Obama may spend a few billion getting us back on track, but without the governments help, we'd be further up shit creek than you could imagine. I love the hypocracy on the right, rag on Obama for increasing the deficit, then turn around and yell that we need to give the rich motherfuckers that caused this fiasco a tax cut of 800 billion, which will go right onto the deficit, then claim how the tax cut for the rich will create all these jobs, while we are still under the tax cuts and no stinkin jobs have been created by the rich motherfuckers, have they? So the truth is there, can you fuckling deal with it, or do you have your head in a dark place?
BTW, asswipe, I'm not your boy.
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You're as dumb as box of rocks when it comes to the economy boy. First off it's not a few billion Obama is throwing down the hole. Try over ONE TRILLION.
Secondly Obama and his crew of thieves said his theft package would stop unemployment from going over 8 percent. It's been at 10 percent for a long time WHICH is under reported. We know this. The real unemployment is around 15 percent. Hows hope and change working out for you?
Thirdly the "rich mother fuckers" didn't cause this. Congress gave people free reign with little fear of failure which the free market would curtail. You rail about stopping tax cuts because you are a thief plain and simple. You feel you have a right to others money.

Businesses have been cautious about hiring and expanding BECAUSE they do not know how the government is going to manipulate the economy next. When there is fear of the unknown most business will not expand. You complain about tax breaks to the rich but are too ignorant to realize the rich are the ones who create the jobs. I haven't been hired by a poor man yet. Why are you arguing when you don't even know the issues?

Here's the thing about jealous little people like you. You complain about companies wanting big profits yet you yourself strive for the very same thing. All your concern should be is a good product for a fair price. What business is it of yours if someone makes a big profit? Just another person who thinks HE has the answers instead of letting the Free Market, which we haven't had in awhile, decide for us. Make no mistake about it, at the end of the day YOU will NOT know what is better for me, than I do.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Parker said:
You're as dumb as box of rocks when it comes to the economy boy.
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you do realize med is your senior, right? the guy is older than dirt (no offense med, you rock!)

Parker said:
Hows hope and change working out for you?
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beter than the alternative. you betcha, my friend. *wink*

Parker said:
TYou rail about stopping tax cuts because you are a thief plain and simple. You feel you have a right to others money....You complain about tax breaks to the rich but are too ignorant to realize the rich are the ones who create the jobs. ... you don't even know the issues?
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it actually seems to me that med rails against these tax cuts because THEY DON'T WORK. THEY DON'T CREATE JOBS. it has been nearly 10 years, where are the jobs, parker? china, perhaps?

there were plenty of good manufacturing jobs where i grew up near allentown pa. i am kinda young and all i heard about growing up was that these jobs were disappearing, despite the top marginal tax brackets going down, being cut in half from 70%. you would think with all those tax cuts, they could afford to keep the manufacturing jobs around. NOPE. they went to mexico, china, wherever....but not allentown.

[video=youtube;BHnJp0oyOxs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHnJp0oyOxs[/video]

woah, that shit is gay!^^^^
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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UncleBuck said:
you do realize med is your senior, right? the guy is older than dirt (no offense med, you rock!)

beter than the alternative. you betcha, my friend. *wink*

it actually seems to me that med rails against these tax cuts because THEY DON'T WORK. THEY DON'T CREATE JOBS. it has been nearly 10 years, where are the jobs, parker? china, perhaps?

there were plenty of good manufacturing jobs where i grew up near allentown pa. i am kinda young and all i heard about growing up was that these jobs were disappearing, despite the top marginal tax brackets going down, being cut in half from 70%. you would think with all those tax cuts, they could afford to keep the manufacturing jobs around. NOPE. they went to mexico, china, wherever....but not allentown.

[video=youtube;BHnJp0oyOxs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHnJp0oyOxs[/video]

woah, that shit is gay!^^^^
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I hope you realize that subversive SHIT was produced in 1982.

Based on that video, the government should be subsidizing buggy whips and high button shoes.

Industrial production is KING! All other facets of the economy, including the information economy, be DAMNED!
 
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NoDrama

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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Ms O'Donnell comes off as a complete moron everytime she opens her mouth. She isn't a libertarian, she doesn't give a shit about the Constitution, she doesn't have a clue whats even in the Constitution. Of course I would guess that there are approximately 520 or so of people who already have the job who don't have a clue whats in the constitution either. IMO every single politician in the Federal sense ought to have at least the Bill of rights (1st 10 Amendments) committed to memory and be able to spit out the correct verbage verbatim at a moments notice. I mean really. There are preachers who have memorized the entire Bible (Old and New), a mighty feat considering the THOUSANDS of pages. Yet here we sit, voting in people to office and how many of them do you think can memorize a 30 minute speech, yet couldn't memorize the 7 articles of this countries most important document and a further 27 amendments, the only significant section of which is article 1. The whole thing takes less than 10 minutes. We the people are complete morons to vote these idiots into any kind of power.
 
ink the world

ink the world

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Parker said:
The current economic mess we are in right now is a result of both the dems and the repubs voting in Bush catastrophic housing for all plan. To blame it on one party or President is ignorant. A few people saw this coming and wanted to reverse the free money for the GSE.
You're as dumb as box of rocks when it comes to the economy boy. First off it's not a few billion Obama is throwing down the hole. Try over ONE TRILLION.
Secondly Obama and his crew of thieves said his theft package would stop unemployment from going over 8 percent. It's been at 10 percent for a long time WHICH is under reported. We know this. The real unemployment is around 15 percent. Hows hope and change working out for you?
Thirdly the "rich mother fuckers" didn't cause this. Congress gave people free reign with little fear of failure which the free market would curtail. You rail about stopping tax cuts because you are a thief plain and simple. You feel you have a right to others money.

Businesses have been cautious about hiring and expanding BECAUSE they do not know how the government is going to manipulate the economy next. When there is fear of the unknown most business will not expand. You complain about tax breaks to the rich but are too ignorant to realize the rich are the ones who create the jobs. I haven't been hired by a poor man yet. Why are you arguing when you don't even know the issues?

Here's the thing about jealous little people like you. You complain about companies wanting big profits yet you yourself strive for the very same thing. All your concern should be is a good product for a fair price. What business is it of yours if someone makes a big profit? Just another person who thinks HE has the answers instead of letting the Free Market, which we haven't had in awhile, decide for us. Make no mistake about it, at the end of the day YOU will NOT know what is better for me, than I do.
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First off, let me express my happiness that someone was kind enough to free you from the locker your punk ass was locked in.

I like your theory about how the rich create jobs,,,,,,,So as the richest of us have only gotten richer and you are correct sir, they are hiring. Only problem is they are hiring Chinese, Guatemalans and Koreans; not us Americans.....See kiddo, THEY make more $ that way, they can avoid that "socialist" ideal of a minimum wage. Why pay an American $7.50 an hour when they can hire a foreign worker for a fraction of the cost and get a tax break on top of it.

The bottom line is that these "rich" people are selling you, me and the rest of the country out for a few extra $. Period.

You wail on about socialists and all the other popular retarded catch phrases of the day, and yet defend the very people that are contributing to the problem. You support these business people and the politicians that reward them for shipping jobs overseas by giving them tax breaks for it. How un-american. Actually, I take back the "unamerican" thing......

After more thought, you sir typify America at this point. Loud, ignorant and loving every minute of Dancing With The Starts and American Idol. I wonder if the Romans saw it coming like some of us do.
 
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