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[londonfog]

I changed my post to delete that but since you brought it up. I don't have any friends who portray someone negatively by calling them red neck or negatively paint the state they reside in or use words like spew. Sure we'll make jokes about it but we tend to back off when it comes to tumors and serious stuff. Maybe my term as friend is different than yours but you do say you visited them in the hospital so maybe not.
You hit the nail on the head in a way. Why do we HAVE to do those things to avoid paying those types of taxes in the first place? We do we have to give things up because others think it's okay to pass laws allowing stealing?

You didn't address much in my previous post? Is it because you have submitted to government force?

ok you seem to be missing the fact that if you asked my friend to describe himself he himself would say " I'm a red neck from the lone star state of Texas" he would then add "Don't phuck with Texas". I have heard him say this about himself for years... so seeing how you know no nothing about me nor him who are you to judge..and when nonsense comes out of your mouth with zero facts I will always describe that as Bull$hit spewing out your mouth.. and wtf phuck is this "we back off it when it come to tumors" we never joked about his tumor but we will once he gets out of the hospital and out the danger zone...That is how our friendship goes...
Now far as me submitting to the government force..well I did spend 22 years in the Air Force so is that submitting or the fact that I believe somethings in life we have to pay for...If my house catches on fire a fire truck puts it out..my taxes pay for that...If I had to call the police my taxes pay for that...if I have to drive on a freeway my taxes pay for that..hell when I send my kids off to school my taxes pay for that...When I go to my faucet and can get clean drinkable running water my taxes pay for that..I have elders in my family that receives SS my taxes pay for that...so I'm sorry that you feel that government is out to get you , but I'm very thankful for some of the things my government provides me..and if you so hung up on paying taxes you should really think about moving out the country...your problem solved

 

[43Hitman]

hmmmmm No doubt stories like this do exist. But it's just another example of people and their desperation when their backs are too the wall. We saw this during FDRs depression. People were desperate for help and the unconstitutional theft programs like SS were born. More recently we saw this in the flu scare that went around. Everybody get your flu shots or really really bad things will happen.

The problem with this thought process is you don't go far enough. Just like my little lost puppys on here. Always wanting to treat the symptom instead of the cause.
You see the answer as government intervention because you yourself are unable to decide what is best for you. Which is ironic because YOU now get to decide for others by forcing health care on them.

We speak of personal responsibility yet over 30 percent of our population is obese. Do you think that fact hurts people in their ability to remain healthy? ahh no biggie the government will save them (with MY money)

Do you ever ask why technology has driven the price down in other fields except medicine? Why are the prices of pharmaceuticals so high compared to other places? Couldn't be government intervention in the free market could it?
If anyone wants to call the insurance companies a bad name, great, go for it. But don't dare blame that on capitalism. It is in no way a free market ideal. Government laid the foundation down.

Do you ask why there is lack of competition in the health insurance industry? One cannot sell out of state which keeps prices higher and service worse than a free market would. It is the same answer as why states rights were trumped and you cannot sue for more than the amount of the claim. (ERISA) answer - government intervention

"The judge ruled that this came under the ERISA guidelines because the corporation paid a premium even though premiums were paid on a personal basis for almost 17 years. How was this bad for the claimant? Under ERISA guidelines you cannot sue an insurance company for bad faith (punitive damages) so the judge threw out the bad faith aspects of the claim, which meant that the attorney could only talk about the contractual language and not the bad prior deeds of the insurance company. In addition, ERISA guidelines say that the claimant cannot have a jury and cannot sue for the future potential value of the contract. The claimant can only sue to get the monthly benefit plus attorney expenses and fees. In essence, it gives the insurance company a legal edge. Many of the heavy hitter disability attorneys do not want to be involved in ERISA claims because they can’t sue for bad faith. They cannot secure “future benefits” or a percentage of same in the form of a settlement as it relates to ERISA claims. They usually cannot charge a 30% to 40% contingency fee on the contractual benefits (future value) and that does not make for a happy attorney!"

Why should insurance companies pay the claim when IF the patient is still alive when it comes to court all they loose is the original claim anyway. (plus attorney costs and fees) It is BECAUSE of government intervention we are at this horrible juncture. And YOU want those very same people to run things??

You look to the government to raise you from cradle to grave,.never noticing that government has sold you down the river in a leaky boat.

I am a Tea Party member. Explain to me how these things that are very costly and inefficient would help me? Would healthcare insurance help me? Sure but not the overpriced inefficient one being forced down my throat. Would SS help me in my retirement years? Sure but I would have used that money better myself than the government. I would have loved to have the option to opt out of SS instead of forcefully having the money stolen from me.

How long is it going to take for people to wake up?

Very well said, my sentiment exactly.

 

[UncleBuck]

sigh no we do not agree on "any pregnancy whatsoever may endanger the life of the mother".

are you sure about that?

any pregnancy can result in death to the mother, sometimes with no forewarning.

agreed

edit - let me save you the time of having to rebut....

"you don't get it!" "that is your failure to understand, not mine" "like i said, you don't get it!" "you don't understand"

 

[Parker]

are you sure about that?

edit - let me save you the time of having to rebut....

"you don't get it!" "that is your failure to understand, not mine" "like i said, you don't get it!" "you don't understand"

okay finally something we can agree on and that is, you don't get it lol

 

[Parker]

ok you seem to be missing the fact that if you asked my friend to describe himself he himself would say " I'm a red neck from the lone star state of Texas" he would then add "Don't phuck with Texas". I have heard him say this about himself for years... so seeing how you know no nothing about me nor him who are you to judge..and when nonsense comes out of your mouth with zero facts

you were given the facts on this post >>>> https://www.rollitup.org/politics/373116-well-played-sirs-maams-10.html#post4748925
but you ignored them. I can lead a big dumb mule to water but I can't make him drink now can I?

The snake oil salesmen are running our country and people like you are their best customer. Wake up!! Please, wake up!

I will always describe that as Bull$hit spewing out your mouth.. and wtf phuck is this "we back off it when it come to tumors" we never joked about his tumor but we will once he gets out of the hospital and out the danger zone...That is how our friendship goes...
Now far as me submitting to the government force..well I did spend 22 years in the Air Force so is that submitting or the fact that I believe somethings in life we have to pay for...If my house catches on fire a fire truck puts it out..my taxes pay for that...If I had to call the police my taxes pay for that...if I have to drive on a freeway my taxes pay for that..hell when I send my kids off to school my taxes pay for that...When I go to my faucet and can get clean drinkable running water my taxes pay for that..I have elders in my family that receives SS my taxes pay for that...so I'm sorry that you feel that government is out to get you , but I'm very thankful for some of the things my government provides me..and if you so hung up on paying taxes you should really think about moving out the country...your problem solved

that submitting or the fact that I believe somethings in life we have to pay for..
you believe stealing is okay as long as it is for your causes

fact - the roads where I live are financed through taxes on gas, that is known as a USER fee

I don't have kids, why should I pay for your kids schooling with MY money? What about the ones with kids who send them to a private school? Now they pay twice? oh that's right its okay to steal. You teach your kids stealing is okay?

fact - The amount of water I use at home is paid by me based on consumption. It is included in the total bill I pay along with the trash and recycle services. This is a USER fee.

Some places charge fees for the fire department. A recent article came out about a house burned because the homeowners didn't want to pay the yearly $75 bill for it. This is a User fee. I wonder if I made my house out of flame retardant materials would I get a discount? I should. I spend money making my house better and safer, I think a discount is a good incentive. The government doesn't though. read on

This is how the system you love works against you. I'm speaking of homeowners who buy to raise a family, not house flippers. If you pay off a house you still have to pay the government yearly property taxes in order to keep the house YOU have already paid for. It gets worse. If you decide to "better" the house by fixing it up, now it's worth more and you're stuck paying higher property taxes. Makes it harder to win in the end now doesn't it?

fact - When social security started the ratio was 50 to 1 on paying in to receivng. Now the ratio is 4 to 1. Why can't people opt out of the forced theft and save for themselves? I know I can do a better job of managing my money than the government. No ones saying abolish it right away as you have to take care of the ones who already paid into the system.

We can't fulfill the promises made to people like you who have served their country. VA benefits are being delayed, denied, and cut back. Instead we spend hundreds of billions of dollars paying for the "upkeep" of our expanded empire.

We send our beautiful sons and daughters overseas to sacrifice their lives so we can control the Middle East and it's Oil. They deserve better. Everyone of them should be here right now, protecting our borders, just like the constitution says.

 

[UncleBuck]

okay finally something we can agree on and that is, you don't get it lol

do you not see the irony in responding in the exact fashion in which i predicted you would? i even saved you the time, yet you still did it anyway.

you are like an automaton. perhaps a ron paulophile spambot.

 

[Parker]

do you not see the irony in responding in the exact fashion in which i predicted you would? i even saved you the time, yet you still did it anyway.

you are like an automaton. perhaps a ron paulophile spambot.

The only irony is your continued inability to get it all the while saying you do. It's laughable.
You are at the opposite end of the spectrum from me on the point of when abortion becomes a danger to the mother. Because you say I agree with you doesn't make it so.
Like I said you are too shallow of a thinker. You only scratch the surface.

You also do not support most of what Ron Paul stands for. You do not understand the reasons. Obvious from your continued posts about him you are a troll. Silly kid to think others don't see it. lol

 

[UncleBuck]

Because you say I agree with you doesn't make it so.

you are right, me saying it does not make it so. but you saying it does!

any pregnancy can result in death to the mother, sometimes with no forewarning.

agreed

funny how words have a way of working against you, isn't it?

You also do not support most of what Ron Paul stands for.

yes i do. prove otherwise. i want incontrovertible proof, as you made the assertion. get crackin', old man!

 

[Parker]

you are right, me saying it does not make it so. but you saying it does!

funny how words have a way of working against you, isn't it?

because the factual information of my statements say otherwise sport keep trying ignore the facts

yes i do. prove otherwise. i want incontrovertible proof, as you made the assertion. get crackin', old man!

keep trying sport, you made the false statement and have been proven ignorant on your knowledge of Ron Paul by your own posts.

 

[UncleBuck]

because the factual information of my statements say otherwise sport keep trying ignore the facts

what facts am i ignoring? here is an actual, factual exchange that occurred between the two of us....

any pregnancy can result in death to the mother, sometimes with no forewarning.

agreed

keep trying sport, you made the false statement and have been proven ignorant on your knowledge of Ron Paul by your own posts.

show me. go find the posts and show me. you keep writing checks with your mouth that your body can't cash. you keep asserting that you know what i think about ron paul better than i do, but have yet to show me the slightest of proof.

and wtf is this 'sport' business? i knew the great gatsby, the great gatsby was a friend of mine. and you sir are no great gatsby.

 

[Parker]

what facts am i ignoring? here is an actual, factual exchange that occurred between the two of us....

show me. go find the posts and show me. you keep writing checks with your mouth that your body can't cash. you keep asserting that you know what i think about ron paul better than i do, but have yet to show me the slightest of proof.

I don't need to. YOU proved it for me. lol Quit acting like you're an anti Ron Paul plant.

and wtf is this 'sport' business? i knew the great gatsby, the great gatsby was a friend of mine. and you sir are no great gatsby.

lol dude would you stop. At least you didn't call me on spelling potatoe

 

[UncleBuck]

I don't need to. YOU proved it for me. lol Quit acting like you're an anti Ron Paul plant.

so is that how it works? you don't need to show any sort of evidence that supports your assertions?

how is the pot over there in bizarro world?

lol dude would you stop. At least you didn't call me on spelling potatoe

i'll stop giving you shit for your repeated insults once you stop belittling everyone on the board. it really gets quite annoying when you act like your shit smells like roses.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

 

[Parker]

so is that how it works? you don't need to show any sort of evidence that supports your assertions?

how is the pot over there in bizarro world?

you are the one with the false claims. You haven't backed up much if anything.

i'll stop giving you shit for your repeated insults once you stop belittling everyone on the board. it really gets quite annoying when you act like your shit smells like roses.

That is your false interpretation. People who back weak and failed policies have nothing to fall back on so they resort to making things up about THAT person. Go make your own forum if you don't like it sport. Better yet, go to Somalia lmao. How can I or anyone take you seriously when you do the same thing to me that YOU accuse me of. I get it, it's okay if you do it but not others.

Like I keep saying. YOU don't get it. None of what I say is about me or ideas I have thought of. I rely on following the Constitution and through history, the outcomes of policies. When it comes to those things, you're just a cheerleader. Painting a picture and falsely claiming it is true. Style over substance, Yes We Can!

 

[jeff f]

I have a buddy of mine who is a good old red neck from the Lone Star State of Texas who was so against Obama and his health care it ain't funny..always bad mouthing Obama no matter what the POTUS did. I always corrected him on the misinformation that his mouth sprewed out. Now part of me realized that most of his fears are from the way he was raised, but I'm a firm believer that any one can change once they see the truth. Recently he went to the doctor due to the fact that he thought he had kidney stones, come to find out its a tumor. Now he is stressing out over his medical coverage and how he is to pay for it ( let alone the fact that he has a tumor). When I went to go see him in the hospital with tubes and such coming all out of him I was sadden how quickly you can be up jumping around one minute then boom you lying on your back worrying about the outcome of your medical condition and the means to pay for it. As we talked about BS to get our minds away from the reason he is in hospital he makes a statement that truly confirms my believe..he tells me now he sees that health care for all is not such a bad idea. I know it hurt for him to have to say that being that he is a good old red neck from the Lone Star State of Texas, but like they say the truth hurts. Most of these tea party members are fighting against things that would actually benefits them.

send my prayers and may God bless your friend.

what a bunch of hogwash your post is. so, he DOESNT have to pay for it.....then who does? and who does the next time? santa claus perhaps?

of course your friend is going to change his mind. he is in the fight of his life. i wouldnt expect anyone in his condition to do otherwise. of coarse your just acting out of emotion. but soon, reality settles back in and you have to ask your friend, who was FORCED to take their money out of their pocket and give it to your friend? some of those people (like me, and many families who live in my neighborhood) are having a hard time surviving in this economy and now we are being forced to pay other peoples bills.

you dont see the immorality of this?

 

[jeff f]

Thank you for answering.

I appreciate your candor.

I take considerable heat from Republicans for being abortion-tolerant and calling myself Conservative; but as I stated previously, it's a privacy issue.

That inalienable right applies to everyone regardless of genitalia.

i am with you and ink. i find the practice detestable, but its not me and i have no reason to judge people by the choices the make.

that said, i think there is real evil in the pro abort crowd. they get paid for performing abortions services. most of them are zealots for the cause and therefore encouragig abortion. i find that practice dispicable

 

[UncleBuck]

i think there is real evil in the pro abort crowd

i think "pro abort" is a dishonest term. no one really wants more abortions. i don't think anyone wants to encourage abortions, or if they do, they are the infinitely minute minority.

and i agree with you and johnny and everyone else who points out the abuse of abortion as birth control by some. but as you said above, no reason to judge all, especially for the abuses of some.

 

[londonfog]

send my prayers and may God bless your friend.

what a bunch of hogwash your post is. so, he DOESNT have to pay for it.....then who does? and who does the next time? santa claus perhaps?

of course your friend is going to change his mind. he is in the fight of his life. i wouldnt expect anyone in his condition to do otherwise. of coarse your just acting out of emotion. but soon, reality settles back in and you have to ask your friend, who was FORCED to take their money out of their pocket and give it to your friend? some of those people (like me, and many families who live in my neighborhood) are having a hard time surviving in this economy and now we are being forced to pay other peoples bills.

you dont see the immorality of this?

If you and and the other many families you claim are having a hard time surviving in this ecomomy then chances are that you will not be paying because your income would mean that others would be paying for you. The plan includes a hardship exemption for poorer Americans. New health insurance subsidies would be provided to families of four making up to $88,000 annually.

 

[Rob Roy]

If you and and the other many families you claim are having a hard time surviving in this ecomomy then chances are that you will not be paying because your income would mean that others would be paying for you. The plan includes a hardship exemption for poorer Americans. New health insurance subsidies would be provided to families of four making up to $88,000 annually.

The same "logic" you use to sell the forced healthcare plan is the "logic" used by the marijuana prohibitionists. "We know what is best for you" and we're willing to use force to make it happen. Please consider my appeal to your senses. I'm not looking to argue with you, simply pointing out that you are being inconsistent in how you approve the use of force.

Freedom isn't about making other people comply with your wishes, it's about leaving them alone and them doing the same, even when you think you know what is best for them. No amount of rationalization can substitute for intitiating aggression either from prohibitionists or from people who think they can run your life better than you can.

 

[londonfog]

The same "logic" you use to sell the forced healthcare plan is the "logic" used by the marijuana prohibitionists. "We know what is best for you" and we're willing to use force to make it happen. Please consider my appeal to your senses. I'm not looking to argue with you, simply pointing out that you are being inconsistent in how you approve the use of force.

Freedom isn't about making other people comply with your wishes, it's about leaving them alone and them doing the same, even when you think you know what is best for them. No amount of rationalization can substitute for intitiating aggression either from prohibitionists or from people who think they can run your life better than you can.

Have a question for you ...Do you feel that we should pay zero taxes ???