Voting Against Prop 19 means :

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1gamma45

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No The U.S. is bad for small business. The U.S. is run by lobbiest and big business. Pot candy condoms or chew toys. Anything that will put a dent as a small business in big business is bad.


Wake the fuck up and understand this is what the Gov. is willing to give if you dont take it your spitting in thier face and you will likely never in your lifetime see anything close to this again. Voteing no on Prop 19 is cuting your own throat and if your too blinded by the preaching of a dead man to see it then your enjoy your PROHIBITION.

Is prop 19 perfect no. Is anything in the U.S. hell no. Stop tring to have your cake and eat it too. Unless your ready to lead the next 1776 STFU and vote yes cause your points a retarded as compaired to what your losing.
 

mistaphuck

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No The U.S. is bad for small business. The U.S. is run by lobbiest and big business. Pot candy condoms or chew toys. Anything that will put a dent as a small business in big business is bad.


Wake the fuck up and understand this is what the Gov. is willing to give if you dont take it your spitting in thier face and you will likely never in your lifetime see anything close to this again. Voteing no on Prop 19 is cuting your own throat and if your too blinded by the preaching of a dead man to see it then your enjoy your PROHIBITION.

Is prop 19 perfect no. Is anything in the U.S. hell no. Stop tring to have your cake and eat it too. Unless your ready to lead the next 1776 STFU and vote yes cause your points a retarded as compaired to what your losing.

ok your right for the most part, but where you say "Unless your ready to lead the next 1776 STFU" I have to laugh, has the year of independence become just another numeral reference date like 9/11? and on a side not I've always hated the "have you cake and eat it too" saying. wtf are you supposed to do with cake, look at it?
 

miteubhi?

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I have yet to see anyone post anything on why industrial hemp is nowhere to be found in this whole proposal.

Charging the same taxes on this would be facist.

Another reason to vote no.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Charging the same taxes on this would be facist.
Huh? Not sure what that means. And facism...come on buddy, let's keep this conversation intelligent. You must be one of the 20% that thinks Obama is a secret Muslim too...:)

The tax system is going to vary by city and county, much like the current 215 restrictions...what do you mean by this statement?
 

Matt Rize

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Sure. But research doesn't always lead to the intended objective. If they started to allow large corporations to do serious large scale medical research on cannabis, there's no telling what they'll find.
I'll tell you what big business will find (the cig companies for sure, but not the drug companies)...a way to insert PM resistant genes, and ways to get bigger yields for cheaper. The true medical research will come about by either a gov't organization (because the US already holds the patent on Cannabinoids as medicine) or from the collegiate world. Either way, the research needs to happen.
 

miteubhi?

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Huh? Not sure what that means. And facism...come on buddy, let's keep this conversation intelligent. You must be one of the 20% that thinks Obama is a secret Muslim too...:)

The tax system is going to vary by city and county, much like the current 215 restrictions...what do you mean by this statement?
Hemp retard. Charging the same taxes on HEMP. Can you fucking read?
 

Matt Rize

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Hemp retard. Charging the same taxes on HEMP. Can you fucking read?
You need to learn to write correctly. And your whole point about charging the same taxes is baseless. The taxes will be different in each county, and those rates are yet to be determined. Are you ill-informed or just an idiot?
 

swishatwista

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Very well said, with everybody sayin the same thing, couldn't we rap this shit up, i mean shit it is our government, you'd think we'd have at least a little say in the functions of our nation, besides it fucking us every way they can, i see just a little bit of a choke hold lol, little bit. I say, the more people that smoke weed, the better -in the broad sense, dont be gettin all the neighbor kids fuckin high, let em ride their bikes or run around or whatever they wanna do. And to the guy that said that prop 19 will lead to industrial research on canabinoid study to save lives, son light up a joint, there's your research, why scope the shit out of canabis when that shit is already sittin on your kitchen table, you dont gotta research banana's to gain the vitimins it contains, you just eat that shit to give you vitimins, easy as that, then if someone wants to come up to me and tell me its got vitimin D, i'd be like, good deal. Its like that guy said on here, just put that shit in the air, and done deal.

"I have yet to see anyone post anything on why industrial hemp is nowhere to be found in this whole proposal." I read all about that a year or so ago, good job to bring it up. Indust. hemp will take a while to get established, that is one of those main things that is sure to come around, just not tommorow, as oposed to canabis sativa . It has a high start up cost because its a hardy plant that needs special equipment to harvest into different types of plant material coming off hemp-different strands of fibers, which make different things, -about 5,000 differnt uses, and counting. We would still have to cut out the current places in the market that would be replaced by hemp, which shouldn't be too hard considering it would mean the stopping of cutting down rainforest for wood, -or anywhere else as a certain matter of fact!!, That means the stopping of depletion of the Earth, almost intirely, because our dependence on oil is just about a thing of the past, after we can unseat the corrupt chairs of our government, which is waaay too many people, like..all of em.
And hemp is really effective in deleaching the soil of contaminated waste,-pestisides,herbasides, and any other chemical in feilds, or contaminated places in general. And hemp does not require any chemical to go because of its hardy, benefitial nature. You'd think our tax dollars would go into the production of the hemp industry, or anything really, rather than being sucked away and lined in pockets and used against us, I'm just sayin its about time we stood up, and take some action, even those that are sittin comfortable smokin legal ass weed, can't you see the condition of our State, compassion needs to be sittin shotgun while we drive this mother fucker some where. lets do it
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
And to the guy that said that prop 19 will lead to industrial research on canabinoid study to save lives, son light up a joint, there's your research.
That's funny :) BUT the research is important for a larger reason. Modern Cannabis research will change the world's mind on Cannabis as a medicine. The world will no longer be able to label Cannabis as a schedule 1 drug. Decrim will follow, and then tax/regulation. True legalization is a "pipe dream", if you will. This is as good as it gets.
 

miteubhi?

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You need to learn to write correctly. And your whole point about charging the same taxes is baseless. The taxes will be different in each county, and those rates are yet to be determined. Are you ill-informed or just an idiot?
No dipshit, cannabis is cannabis as far as the U.S. is concerned. In counties? I am talking different plants with different uses being taxed the same.

Or does your puny brain lack the cognitive capacity to comprehend that.

You do realize growing hemp is illegal?
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
No dipshit, cannabis is cannabis as far as the U.S. is concerned. In counties? I am talking different plants with different uses being taxed the same.

Or does your puny brain lack the cognitive capacity to comprehend that.
You are funny, and your attacks show how weak you really are. And you show how ill-informed you really are. Cannabis (caplitalized because it is a genus) is Cannabis, YES. And prop 19 allows for each county/city to regulate/tax Cannabis as they see fit. I don't see how this does not allow for some counties to encourage the agricultural development of hemp. Much like current dispensaries, hemp will exist where it is wanted by the community.

Hater counties will tax the shit out of hemp, and non-hater counties will encourage hemp's development. This is really not that difficult to comprehend. Not every county will fail to see the difference between medicine and fiber production.
 

redivider

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stop the insults or fdd will lock this thread and i'm gonna have nothing to laugh at.

Marijuana decriminalization/legalization is not on the ballot because stoner's want to smoke. it's not on the ballot to increase smoker's rights. it's not on the ballot to be fair.

it's on the ballot because california is in deep debt, and they're betting that taxing marijuana will help eliminate the deficit.

if you vote against it because it's not perfect, then you cannot complain the law is unfair if you get thrown in jail for weed, nor can you argue about how unfair current law is, because by voting NO, you're voting yes for the status quo.

the status quo says you're a worthless criminal, and you deserve to be locked in a cage like an animal at a zoo. only animals at the zoo get visitors all day. you'd only get 20 minutes per day.
 

Dan Kone

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I have yet to see anyone post anything on why industrial hemp is nowhere to be found in this whole proposal.

Charging the same taxes on this would be facist.

Another reason to vote no.
Industrial hemp does become legal under prop 19. That isn't a reason to vote no. At least not a good one.

Do you understand how retarded it is to vote against legalization over some minor details?
 

Dan Kone

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Are you ill-informed or just an idiot?
Intentionally ignorant is more accurate. He's not alone. You've got to take into consideration that a lot of people on these forums have their own personal financial reasons for supporting prohibition and they aren't going to come out and admit that.
 

Needofweed

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Intentionally ignorant is more accurate. He's not alone. You've got to take into consideration that a lot of people on these forums have their own personal financial reasons for supporting prohibition and they aren't going to come out and admit that.
Well Ive admitted my reson.But you guys called me stupid and said 19 will only boots business for hydro supply shops. dont understand how, if 19 passes all the big coporate marijuana growers will put the small growers out of business,I mean how many people actually grow tomatoes indoors.Hydro supply shops make money off selling complete grow ops for the indoor grower.who the hell is going to invest thousands of dollors of money and countless hours of work if theres no money to be made in return. And yes I am supporting the profits of the lettle guy,if you havent notice Im against big business.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
I'm not going to vote for a law thar limits my ability to provide meds for my wife.
Prop 19 will do that.[/B]
I call BS. If your wife has her medical, and you are her caretaker, then prop 19 in no way limits your garden. 215 is still real, so is sb 420. You/her actual garden limits will still depend on your physician's rec. For the average 150 pound person, most doctors suggest (aka testify in court) that a 10x10 is needed to fulfill their CBD requirements.
 

Needofweed

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Well Ive admitted my reson.But you guys called me stupid and said 19 will only boots business for hydro supply shops. dont understand how, if 19 passes all the big coporate marijuana growers will put the small growers out of business,I mean how many people actually grow tomatoes indoors.Hydro supply shops make money off selling complete grow ops for the indoor grower.who the hell is going to invest thousands of dollors of money and countless hours of work if theres no money to be made in return. And yes I am supporting the profits of the lettle guy,if you havent notice Im against big business.
 

Dan Kone

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if 19 passes all the big coporate marijuana growers will put the small growers out of business,
How do you not understand that there are large grows all over California now and have been for 40 years? A few large grows doesn't put all the small growers out of business. The bud market in Cali is huge.

If large grows were going to put all the small growers out of business that would have already happened. Are you really so ignorant to what is going on that you don't think there are large warehouse/greenhouse grows all over California right now?
 
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