Voting Against Prop 19 means :

[Needofweed]

say you got about 5.5 million people in cali that smoke weed...OKnow say each person smoke 2 grams a day.OK2x5.5million=11 million grams adayOKnow 11million X one year (365)=4.015 billion grams a year.OKnow divided that buy one kilo(1000 grams)..4.015 billion\1000=4,015,000 kilos a yearOKbut right now a huge percent of someker are prop215 paitent wich grow and smoke there own weed for cheap.but if 19 passes it will be cheaper for them to buy it due to outrages taxes on non profit growers and that floods the market with huge demand wich will raise prices to posibly never befor seen prices.this leaves a huge market for illegal sellers and yes even cartells wich will still grow illegal taxe free cheap weed.it will take an huge amount of square feet,electricity,wate,nutriens,and man power to provide for this demand and weed prices will drop maybe 20-60 dollors an oz. at the most. ..............................................learn the facts........................................................................................

 

[mistaphuck]

No. It's the people who prepared getting what they deserved and the people who instead just sat around and bitched about it getting the shaft. Fighting against prop 19 is essentially just fighting for the rights of the lazy and blaming other people for being informed and motivated.

Prop 19 isn't a surprise. You've all had time to step your game up.

yup capitalism is a bitch isn't it?

 

[Needofweed]

people simply dont understand the law im not against leganization im against prop19 I would father wait 2 more years for a better prop to come along(cause they will) instead of voteing for this trash

 

[mistaphuck]

say you got about 5.5 million people in cali that smoke weed...OKnow say each person smoke 2 grams a day.OK2x5.5million=11 million grams adayOKnow 11million X one year (365)=4.015 billion grams a year.OKnow divided that buy one kilo(1000 grams)..4.015 billion\1000=4,015,000 kilos a yearOKbut right now a huge percent of someker are prop215 paitent wich grow and smoke there own weed for cheap.but if 19 passes it will be cheaper for them to buy it due to outrages taxes on non profit growers and that floods the market with huge demand wich will raise prices to posibly never befor seen prices.this leaves a huge market for illegal sellers and yes even cartells wich will still grow illegal taxe free cheap weed.it will take an huge amount of square feet,electricity,wate,nutriens,and man power to provide for this demand and weed prices will drop maybe 20-60 dollors an oz. at the most. ..............................................learn the facts........................................................................................

how can one trust your math when you obviously failed english? you just keep copying and pasting these poorly worded paragraphs all over the place, maybe your right maybe not, all I have to say is you should take some english and economics night classes or something..

 

[Needofweed]

look dued your threatened because im exposing your little prop19 im here to get my voice heard and may point across.so if all you got is my spelling ...lol its true i cant spell for shit but somehow i still know more about this stupid prop then you.

 

[mistaphuck]

look dued your threatened because im exposing your little prop19 im here to get my voice heard and may point across.so if all you got is my spelling ...lol its true i cant spell for shit but somehow i still know more about this stupid prop then you.

ok first off dued I'm not threatened by anything you write, and this isn't "my prop 19" dued. I live in ALASKA and give ZERO hamster doodies about california. and how do you expect to get your "voice heard" when you can barley articulate. all you probably did was watch some youtube video and your just re-spewing it all over the place, "lear the truth!" I just started reading about prop 19 earlier today and I can already tell that your making this into something its not, your never going to stop "big business" not in this country. free market buddeh. your most likely mad because you won't be able to sling your dime bags anymore. Anything even resembling legalization is better than nothing.

 

[Dan Kone]

due to outrages taxes on non profit growers

lol @ non-profit growers btw. These nonprofit growers are making obscene amounts of money compared to cost/labor.

Prop 19 doesn't tax non-profit growers. One city out of hundreds in the state has proposed a law taxing growers. Even if that law is constitutional, which I doubt it is since there are 2 arguments for it being unconstitutional, I seriously doubt that the city of Rancho Cordova is producing enough bud to effect prices state wide.

Claiming that they are going to tax personal grows across the state is completely dishonest on your part. When ever you misrepresent the truth to oppose prop 19 all you're doing is showing everyone that you need to lie to oppose prop 19. If prop 19 was really something worthy of opposing, you wouldn't need to lie to do it.

 

[Dan Kone]

look dued your threatened because im exposing your little prop19 im here to get my voice heard and may point across.so if all you got is my spelling ...lol its true i cant spell for shit but somehow i still know more about this stupid prop then you.

I don't give a shit if you can't spell. I do care that you're misrepresenting the truth. You're going around telling everyone that their personal grows are going to be taxed. Does it bother you at all that you are lying to support prohibition? I'm shocked that anyone but a cop would do this. It's mind blowing that people on these forums are willing to lie to support prohibition.

 

[mistaphuck]

Dude, not dued.

hey dued I cant make fun of lear the truth guy who would father wait two years instead of voteing for this trash?

 

[Raptured]

I vote yes.. but I dont live in cali.

 

[Dan Kone]

I vote yes.. but I dont live in cali.

prop 19 may effect you too some day even if your not in Cali. Hopefully may other states will come up with their own legalization laws after prop 19 passes.

 

[Matt Rize]

I'm pretty sure its so we don't have the chance of getting BUTTFUCKED IN PRISON

We don't need government approval, we need the option to legitimize. And to not be violated in prison...for sure.

Most Cali Cannabis will go where it has always gone...to the black market and out of Cali. And the current growers, the ones who are against 19 and reporting income like responsible contributing Americans, will not be affected. Their sour d will go for the same price as always. And they will squeak by, pretending to be legit under 215, as usual.

Yes, the wording sucks in 19. The Jack H initiative is more of something I can fully support. But, 19 was written to pass this year. Not in two years, or in ten. NOW. Let's lead the way. Of course 19 sucks on the ground, Big Business and that can of worms, but we will set the stage for the rest of the world to consider steps in the right direction. I hate to admit it, but big business has a right to exist, even in the canna-world, unfortunately. I know for a fact that small farmed products will always fetch top dollar and be in high demand. Phillip morris will never be able to do what I do. NEVER.

So for the poor people, the one's who can't buy a 215 rec, pass this initiative.
Or do it for the international headlines "California Legalized Pot". And the millions of people who have new ideas planted in their heads when they hear an American state legalized ganja (even though we just taxed and regulated it).

 

[Needofweed]

Matt Rize out of all the shit ive read on these threads what you just wrote in #54 is probably the only thing that makes me kinda want to vote yes.Great Job!

 

[Matt Rize]

Matt Rize out of all the shit ive read on these threads what you just wrote in #54 is probably the only thing that makes me kinda want to vote yes.Great Job!

Thanks. We all need to take a realistic look at the long term ramifications of this proposition. I do not approve of the specifics. I support the global "head change" if you will, that may come about by this HISTORIC legislation. Cannabis used to be taxed and regulated, back in the day before prohibition, this is nothing new and specifics will be different in each county. Can Cali "take one for the team"? I'm not so sure right now, the polls are useless. And if this passes will it also pass the challenges in court that are sure to come?

Stopping big business is impossible, they will have their hand in this one way or another. The US gov't already has the patent on Cannabinoids as cancer preventatives and the cancer-stick companies are drooling. BUT diminishing both big business and big gov't is possible via grass roots movements. Support your local organic farmers, and grow the organic nation. Shop at the farmer's markets, and small family run markets.

Currently undecided, but leaning towards yes on 19...

 

[Dan Kone]

Stopping big business is impossible, they will have their hand in this one way or another. The US gov't already has the patent on Cannabinoids as cancer preventatives and the cancer-stick companies are drooling. BUT diminishing both big business and big gov't is possible via grass roots movements. Support your local organic farmers, and grow the organic nation. Shop at the farmer's markets, and small family run markets.

I understand not wanting big corporations growing/selling bud, but don't we want corporations who can afford to throw millions of dollars in cannabinoid research to do so if it could potentially save lives?

 

[tc1]

Having big business involved with marijuana only ENSURES that it stays legal and regulated sensibly.

 

[Raptured]

Having big business involved with marijuana only ENSURES that it stays legal and regulated sensibly.

Yeah and we are certainly not talking about Microsoft, Apple or Google like companies here.. Many many companies will be competing over your weed money. Who will be the Budweiser of Marijuana? Who will be the Keystone light? lol... If you ever had the pleasure of drinking keystone light you might chuckle a bit cause its the nastiest beer ever.. or at least right up there.


IMO Marijuana is fun to grow.. I love watching the plant grow and form its beautiful smokable flowers.. I never made my own alcohol but imo there is a big difference between these 2 drugs. I think one of the real reasons why Marijuana is illegal is because so many people in the summer months can make a small garden and supply a lot of there own weed thus making a lot less profit from its legalization. God only knows how much money is given to politicians directly or indirectly from the people who want to keep it illegal for there own profits. Does anyone agree with that point of view?

 

[Dan Kone]

Yeah and we are certainly not talking about Microsoft, Apple or Google like companies here.. Many many companies will be competing over your weed money. Who will be the Budweiser of Marijuana? Who will be the Keystone light? lol... If you ever had the pleasure of drinking keystone light you might chuckle a bit cause its the nastiest beer ever.. or at least right up there.

A very good point. The budweiser of cannabis will probably some medical grower
who currently has no idea that is what he'll end up becoming.

Quality is king when it comes to bud. The people who can put out large quantities of top shelf bud are going to be the most successful. It definitely won't be who ever can put out the cheapest ditch weed. When it comes to bud, on the average people choose quality over price. In dispensaries, it's always the best bud that sells out quickest, not the bud with the lowest price.

There is no saying who will end up with the biggest most profitable operations in California. One thing I can guarantee is that it won't be Richard Lee like a lot of people are saying. The guy doesn't know shit about growing bud. Just go to the bluesky dispensary and see it for yourself. All most all of the bud sold their is his own. It's an inferior product.

IMO Marijuana is fun to grow..

I like growing it more than smoking it.

 

[Matt Rize]

I understand not wanting big corporations growing/selling bud, but don't we want corporations who can afford to throw millions of dollars in cannabinoid research to do so if it could potentially save lives?

Of course "we" do. That is the other side of this big business coin. But the research doesn't come without profit. The research will only be to that end.

 

[Dan Kone]

Of course "we" do. That is the other side of this big business coin. But the research doesn't come without profit. The research will only be to that end.

Sure. But research doesn't always lead to the intended objective. If they started to allow large corporations to do serious large scale medical research on cannabis, there's no telling what they'll find.