Iran digging graves for US troops if they attack. Shit is about to get real.

[Greenplease]

I have much more info if needed, or if you guys wanna read directly off of the site here is the address: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Afghanistan/Afghanistan_CIA_Taliban.html the chapter below this one that I just posted is fairly interesting aswell! Read up, I dare you to!

It really is, just a huge mess, and the American Government has absolutely no excuses, this war is totally of their creation, and now they are trying to cover it up. I just don't get how the rest of the wolrd sits back and watches all this happening, I mean if I can find a brief report on things just from doing a bit of research, then the American and any other countries governments must have extensive reports, and can totally see what the fuck is really happening. Go figure................

What will become of humanity? Are we really this naive and egotistical as human beings? How sad......

 

[MediMary]

With all do respect kind sir ... what does that make you ?
Dedication to ones country is one thing ... helping people is noble in any way. Serving for politicians who will not serve you in return is something else.
No health care, houses being take away by bailed out banks, education system in shambles .... bah .... how can you serve these politicians ?
Please kind sir, do not take my comment personally, as I am not attacking you.
I just would like to understand.

Not to switch gears here, as to me this is all related .... I feel I should add this video clip to the thread as per MediMary's comment.
This is my favorite Israelite Norman Finkelstein .... I admire this man for his conviction and share many of his sentiments.
What are your thoughts ?

[video=youtube;bDe65-nF3FQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDe65-nF3FQ[/video]

Wow, thank you all for participating in this thread. I have had some reservations this morning as I was compiling this.
But look at us now 66 posts and we are still contemplating .... and learning from each other.
Hats off to all !

I have nothing against Israel, I am actually part jewish.

I say Israel has had enough help though, lets help are selves for awhile. Why is it we took out sadam, but we let mass genoicide go on in africa for YEARS.
If we are going to be the world police, its fucked up to let shit like Darfur go on, now if Darfur had oil, we would have been there QUICK!

 

[Puffer Fish]

Yup Medi ... I agree with you.

 

[Greenplease]

I have nothing against Israel, I am actually part jewish.

I say Israel has had enough help though, lets help are selves for awhile. Why is it we took out sadam, but we let mass genoicide go on in africa for YEARS.
If we are going to be the world police, its fucked up to let shit like Darfur go on, now if Darfur had oil, we would have been there QUICK!

You are so right bro, it is incedibly obvious that America strategically chooses the countries in which to influence and give "aid" So much more threatening situations (humanity wise) are happening and have happened in the world, but the American government rubs it's grubby little fingers at the mere though of making money, and right now, that money is in oil, and war.

I do know that there are squadrons littered throughout africa at the moment though, and have been for a long time, maybe they are just sitting in waiting for something, who knows..........

I also agree about Saddam, although the guy did some awful things, he held some sought of balance in the middle east, and prevented much of what is going on today minus the war in Afganistan. Hanging him was just a massive power trip by the fucking swine George W. Bush, I believe that much the same thing should have happened to him, in my opinion he is guilty of the same things as what Saddam was, how many innocents have died because of his decisions? That is if he made them...............the rabbit hole never seems to end right, too many questions and not enough answers.

 

[blazin256]

or if darfur had jews.

 

[darkdestruction420]

Actually, we did have a good reason to start this war. You cant just keep turning a blind eye on terrorist training camps and safehouses where no one can touch them cuz the government protects them. The taliban decided to band togehter and stick with osama and his terrorist orginization, do you think we should of done nothing when state allowed and protected terrorism killed thousands of innocent americans? I agree this war is shit now, absolutely no reason to be there anymore, we took care of the terrorists over there as well as we could ever hope to do. We shouldnt be building schools over there while our local schools are closing and giving them billions of dollars to re-build themselves when we cant even fucking fix our own infrastructure when its estimated like 80% of it is now or will be in major need of of it within the next 10 yrs. Not to mention all our brave men and women are now dying for nothing. It makes me sick to my stomache.

 

[blazin256]

you also got to think about who was supporting the taliban when russia was trying to invade afghanistan. that be u.s.

 

[darkdestruction420]

you also got to think about who was supporting the taliban when russia was trying to invade afghanistan. that be u.s.

Yep, thats totally true and it wasnt just the taliban, it was just about any afghan group who would agree to help kill russians if we hooked them up and trained them or gave them training manuals/materials.

 

[blazin256]

maybe the russians are training them now....reminds me of the last season of 24.

 

[RavenMochi]

1) I support Israel, Always.

2) you already know I don't believe in appeasement, it didn't work out to well last time....

3) with that said, terrorist bombers?! I have 2 words for you, Nagasaki and Hiroshima. We are the only ones to use a nuke, which is just another reason most of the rest of the world hates us (the U.S.) because were all about stopping OTHER people from using nukes, and calling other countries threats, but were the ONLY ones to use a nuke, and we did it twice, not to armies, BUT TO CITIES, millions of innocent people, just trying to go through their daily lives while the politicians and they're young men went to war. Hospitals, Schools, in other worlds, civilians. Not once, Twice. That something that will always mar our credibility.

4) as far as Russia in WWII, it was so far beyond tragic it can't be put into words, but to me they will always be hero's. Despite their loss, they rescued at least a couple of death camps that I know of. How beautiful the Russian language must have been to those survivors.

5) At the end, despite our past, in the present we have no choice but to fuck Iran up. Like Dirt said, turn it into a glass parking lot...

 

[darkdestruction420]

The japanese destroyed china and abused them so badly, ther atrocities almost rival germanys and the japanese believed in the propoganda their leaders were spewing fanatically, they would of fought to the death slowly causing huge casualties on us as well, they had to be taught a lesson, they believed they were a superbreed and all others being unworthy of life just as germany did.

 

[Puffer Fish]

1) I support Israel, Always.

2) you already know I don't believe in appeasement, it didn't work out to well last time....

3) with that said, terrorist bombers?! I have 2 words for you, Nagasaki and Hiroshima. We are the only ones to use a nuke, which is just another reason most of the rest of the world hates us (the U.S.) because were all about stopping OTHER people from using nukes, and calling other countries threats, but were the ONLY ones to use a nuke, and we did it twice, not to armies, BUT TO CITIES, millions of innocent people, just trying to go through their daily lives while the politicians and they're young men went to war. Hospitals, Schools, in other worlds, civilians. Not once, Twice. That something that will always mar our credibility.

4) as far as Russia in WWII, it was so far beyond tragic it can't be put into words, but to me they will always be hero's. Despite their loss, they rescued at least a couple of death camps that I know of. How beautiful the Russian language must have been to those survivors.

5) At the end, despite our past, in the present we have no choice but to fuck Iran up. Like Dirt said, turn it into a glass parking lot...

I really don't want to start a war here Raven .... but why do you support Israel ?
That just boggles my mind. Unless you are a Zionist

 

[Greenplease]

The japanese destroyed china and abused them so badly, ther atrocities almost rival germanys and the japanese believed in the propoganda their leaders were spewing fanatically, they would of fought to the death slowly causing huge casualties on us as well, they had to be taught a lesson, they believed they were a superbreed and all others being unworthy of life just as germany did.

Wars between Japan and China have been going on ever since those two countries knew that the other one existed. China just never seemed to get the upper hand over Japan. Thus appearing to be the victim. But China is just as guilty as Japan, and often tried to invade. Those days seem to be behind them now though.

 

[Greenplease]

you also got to think about who was supporting the taliban when russia was trying to invade afghanistan. that be u.s.

I did mention that, putting up a massive post about it. But never the less, you are right, thats why this whole fucking war was created in America's back yard. This is all the American governments doing..........and I dunno, maybe I'm missing something here, but it totally baffles me as to why not one other world power has tried to step in and say "woah Obama, you gotta finish this war a.s.a.p"

 

[RavenMochi]

Wars between Japan and China have been going on ever since those two countries knew that the other one existed. China just never seemed to get the upper hand over Japan. Thus appearing to be the victim. But China is just as guilty as Japan, and often tried to invade. Those days seem to be behind them now though.

it wasn't but about4-5 years ago I overheard a Chinese Citizen speaking about their relations, the hate seemed alive and well unfortunately. Something about the mere mention of Japan making any China man's blood boil....seriously, thats how he put it...

 

[Greenplease]

it wasn't but about4-5 years ago I overheard a Chinese Citizen speaking about their relations, the hate seemed alive and well unfortunately. Something about the mere mention of Japan making any China man's blood boil....seriously, thats how he put it...

What do you mean "it wasn't" at the beggining of your sentence, what wasn't??
And, I mean in terms of the governments hate for each other, I guess there will always be rivalry between the citizen's of either country, as they are in fact the onces that get shat on during times of war. But the governments would never allow a war between those 2 countries, not anymore.
But yeah, it doesn't suprise me that you heard that, I've heard plenty Japanese talking down the Chinese.

 

[RavenMochi]

I really don't want to start a war here Raven .... but why do you support Israel ?
That just boggles my mind. Unless you are a Zionist

†L† its cool, were already talking politics, nothing like mixing in a little religion to ensure some nice heated arguments....

1) Being Christian...(though I have yet to find a church that hasn't twisted the gospel, but we won't go into that here...) We are taught that they are his chosen...

2) probably much more than that, between them, the Romani and the Russians, All of them have suffered enough for the next 10,000 years, if I were them, I would be ready to fight like they are. They weren't being enslaved, they were being straight up exterminated. Nothing like live or die to forge a strong resolve, and its something I respect them for and empathize with greatly. In fact, this should be reason number 1 for me...

3) Yes, I'm a Zionist.

 

[poplars]

they're digging their own graves . . .

 

[RavenMochi]

Yea, thats what I figure they'll actually get used for. Our soldiers are going to want somewhere to throw they're rotting corpses. As hot as it is, they won't take long to start smelling up the whole of Iran...

 

[Greenplease]

they're digging their own graves . . .

I don't even think they are digging graves, I think they are just digging holes for the hell of it, then decided "hey, we could threaten the USA with these" 0_0

Anyway, I just hope that things get soughted out before another 10 year war starts. I know I'm not being realistic, but seriuously, does anyone other than America really want this? Iran is fucking scared man, they are already surrounded considering their neighboring countries are also at war with the American's, so naturally, with their backs against the wall and guns pretty much pointed at them, they are desperate. But I don't think they really want war, who in their right mind would?
I guess we will find out soon enough