Atheism

[afrawfraw]

CRACKER JAX...Got it...Sorry, I grow really good weed...

 

[shnkrmn]

Hey, afrawfraw, nice plant!

CRACKER JAX...Got it...Sorry, I grow really good weed...

 

[afrawfraw]

YOU SEE "THEM" TOO! OMG!!! HA HA HA HA! I'm a god! I have billions of fungi and bacteria in my organic soil. I use other types of fungi and bacteria to control "PESTS" that I do not want in my environment. The BILLIONS of organisms have no evidence that I exist. They are not aware of my presence at all. I could shout BOOO! It won't scare them. If the fungi against my roots multiply too quickly, I destroy them by the millions using predatory organisms. I control what lives, what dies, and what thrives...If you agree that I am a GOD, I will agree that there may be another life form controlling our universe, perhaps one that WE ARE NOT AWARE OF YET...

 

[Dr. Greenhorn]

Funny shit shnkrmn!

 

[OregonMeds]

Babs believes what she believes....but can't defend it. Babs doesn't CARE about evidence, she just wants to feel comfort from the myth. I understand.... really I do.

It's pretty simple. Very simple. Simple.


^^^^^^

I am CJ and I have a gang. Or so "they" say. It's better for their ego to think that is takes a concerted effort to dispel the myth of religion. It doesn't....just a bit of common sense and the discipline to not think of yourself as the center of it all.

The warm blanket of ignorance holds her like an invisible personal snuggy.

Babs, I am bi and Kat is bi and it's incredibly ignorant to think you understand something you have no knowledge of at all, and to hold your misguided opinions over the truths people try to tell you.

Those that have the most experience in a subject are those you should think about trying to learn from and we live the life and try to explain and nothing gets through.

If you want to know about pot are you going to ask your pastor to get your opinion, or would you maybe talk to some people with actual experience? Or would you do both and then weight each opinion based on what each person really knew or what they were just told or heard?


Maybe you can discount some people here and there, some opinions here and there, but when expert after expert agree but still nothing ever gets through to you...

That snuggie is cutting off the oxygen to your brain. I like to poke fun at you, but I'm not your enemy and have always attempted to try to open your eyes to at least some truths in life.

Listen to the pro's and those that really know, start learning to weigh opinions and think for yourself and figure things out.

Some are polite and patient about it, some lost patience with you long ago and just rip on you, and some do both and like to get a dig in every once in a while because you are really laughable but this is not some evil conspiracy or whatever. Not one person has lied to you or misdirected you.

In any subject the people to get the best information from are the people who have lived it, been there, done that. Yet you cling to the idea you know more about something, everything really.

Not just lost babs, you are full on delusional. Look it up.


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[Katatawnic]

.such a LOVELY way to start my day.

Nice sympathy play there, Babs.

I told you who you are Kat? Really? Where? If you look back on these posts where it is you who initially posted "to me"..it is crystal clear that it is "you" telling me who I am.
Let's see... I suggested you lived a sheltered life as you've "only" heard the word "cunt" come from a gay man's mouth, and I said you must really have a problem with gays (actually, I believe I said something to the effect of "lifestyles outside of the societal norm") to make the statements you made; those are difficult to refute as you posted those statements here, in black and white. You, on the other hand, proceeded to tell me the "facts" about myself based on your opinion about sexuality, about which you are absolutely wrong. Such as...

Look Kat, I appreciate your honesty here with your excursions............but truth is truth. You just ARE one or the other. When it comes to preferences, you are "either or." Bisexuality falls into play of just "playing." There IS such a thing as peference.

I guarantee you though.........that girl was no lesbian [I'm willing to bet she never claimed to be] and had she not been brought up in such a fucked up environment, she would have never had a single encounter with another female.
My take is that you are either inately attracted to either your own or the opposite sex.........anything else is just PLAY.

What you choose to do with your personal life is your personal business.
I am only stating the facts. There is always a preference.

Yeah, you're right... you never once told me who/what I am. Just the "facts" eh?


OK, I've hung out with far too many gay men for you to state I "obviously know nothing."
I wasn't talking about gays. I was talking about bisexuality, as a part of what is known as the GLBT Community. More to the point, I freely gave myself as an example... mind you, in the attempt to explain to you the whole "en vogue" concept you falsely have about "most" people "trying on homosexuality" nowadays. (Your words, Babs, not mine.) You see, I'm able to grasp the difference between "homosexual" and "bisexual" whereas apparently you don't. More to the point, you refuse to acknowledge the existence of one, which I am and told you so, yet you still insist that I'm wrong about myself (after all, the "fact" is that I'm "either/or" and anything else is "just" PLAY... ring any bells?).

I repeat: you obviously know nothing about what you're spouting.


...and I never accused you of calling any one a name or referencing to Morgen's "substance".. YES, please do re-read
And I never accused you of accusing me of calling anyone a name or referencing Morgen's "substance" either.
I really don't know where you got that from my above statement.
*sigh* From your posts.
I was referencing to HIM and YOU used it as an opportunity to jump in to the conversation....
It's a public forum discussion, to which I chose to add my points for clarification.
just to harangue me, I might add.
Yes Babs, that's exactly what I did, exactly what I always do... go around "abusing" others just to "harangue" them. It's my M.O., dontcha know. Do you play Victim IRL Babs, or do you reserve this just for the Internetz?
You so completely misread.
No, that would be you. Consistently, it appears.
This is why I have skipped out on reading any posts on this thread for awhile now. So many of you have already formed your opinion COMPLETELY about those of us who believe in God and WHAT it is we believe.
And you don't ever form your opinion about those who don't believe in a god. Now I see you form your own opinion about homosexuals and bisexuals as well, put the label "fact" on your opinions, and then expect others to just nod emphatically... when they are what you claim does not exist.
One can only bang their head against the wall so many times before waking up and smelling the coffee.
Kind of like how I've continued to give you the benefit of doubt, in spite of your outbursts and constant jabs at those who dare to contradict anything you say? Yeah, I'm done with that wall. My head hurts.
There are no "discussions" on this thread.
No discussions that are to your liking, at any rate. HINT: This is a thread about atheism, yet you feel the desire or need or right (or whatever the hell it is) to repeatedly post in here with smug little remarks and (poorly) "veiled" insults.
Never once have I witnessed any proclaimed Christian chime in so they could proselytize.
Never once have you witnessed me rush into threads about Christianity just so I can tell the Christians how wrong they are, and make stupid little jabs at them any opportunity I get.
Every last time a fellow believer dared to post, they were jumped on like prey from others. Please, there are no discussions on this thread....just attacks already formed because of pre-judgment.
Oh, please! Your role of Victim is a willing one when, again, you come into a thread about atheism in the first place.
Questions are posed to a believer, but an honest answer is not what is sought on this thread, as has been evident.
Honesty is all we've sought in this thread, from ourselves and from anyone else who "dares" to post.
It's really getting old watching the "come-back" from the atheist to demand that a believer prove God.....otherwise they are "stupid."
It's really getting old watching the "come back" from the believer to demand that an atheist prove there is no god... otherwise they are "stupid"... oh, and "damned" as well.
That was solely my response to how confusing I found it that you were breaking apart my every sentence in defense mode....no need to be that way with me.
You broke apart my existence. But there's no need for me to "be that way" (defend myself and who/what I am) with you, eh?

There is no desire on my part to bash gay people...NONE. Why you are attempting to note me as homophobic is ridiculously laughable. Again, you are telling me who I am, not vice verca.
Refer to my response above RE: who's telling whom who/what they are. According to you, I don't even exist.

You state that you "were having a discussion." A discussion entails asking questions when in doubt, not just emphatically and falsely accusing others of their beliefs.
Did you do this for me, or did you simply tell me that I can't be bisexual, because, after all, the "fact" is that a person is "either/or" (gay or straight) but no in between, because that is "just PLAY."

Sorry if as I stated "verbatim" that I feel there is always a preference offended you...sheesh.
"Always" being the key word. "Fact" being another key word. "Truth" as well. All stated by you to me, about me. But no offense should be taken, huh Babs? SHEESH.

I did listen....or rather read.
Apparently not. You seem to "read" what words you want to be there.
Again, I don't know why you find it so offensive that you feel this need to put me on a stand. AGAIN, I told you that you were "wrong"...about what? You lost me Kat.
You're the one who's lost.
I told you positively nothing about yourself. Why are you getting so defensive with me?
*sigh*

Kat, there was not a single second of my posting last night where I was being stubborn.
Sure Babs, sure. You're right, I'm wrong, end of story. Happy now?
In fact, one of the first things I said was that it was later for me than you. I was on my way to bed.
And I said in my first post of this particular discussion that I was tired at the end of a long Sunday day/evening, hence the probable rambling, etc. Your point?
I promise you the last thing on my mind was telling you who you are or ANALYZING you
I call bullshit.
..the Dr. Babs comment, along with some other choice words you threw out were just outlandish...and so very uncalled for. I wish you would see that.
I reserved myself from using choice words I truly felt and thought about your entire display of ignorance and stubbornness. Trust me on that.

When in doubt, ask me.
In other words, give to you what you refuse to give to others.

Had I known in advance that by my merely posting was going to create such havoc, I'd of gone to bed earlier........dayum.
Break out the violin, everyone! Are you a reincarnation of Mozart, per chance?

Sorry.....I can't tell you if you're gay or straight. I don't have enough information to guide you there.
I spoon fed you the fucking information! My request for a diagnonsense from you was sheer sarcasm. Look it up.

That was just low Kat. I reserve that kind of response from cj.
Ah yes, the Demonic CJ... who's been kinder to me than probably anyone else on RIU, though I've never once asked for his kindness. And just a little FYI, no, he and I do not agree on everything; maybe half of our beliefs/positions are the same. I simply don't go making shots below the belt when I don't agree with him; probably why he's never been rude to me. You should try straight shooting sometime, Babs. You may find that you are better received.
There was no "discussion"....just one accusation after another from you.
Oh.My.God.

"Ignorance" is defined by the beholder who portrays themself as knowing something to be absolute truth.....
Such as using "fact" and "truth" and "either/or" in your statements about the honesty others freely give about their personal lives in order to help someone like you understand something instead of spouting "facts" pulled out of your ass?
that being said, every last one of us posting here is ignorant in that case.
Some are more ignorant than others. Willfully, might I add.

Post 1, 938---....I do not pretend to understand any single thing in all its complexities.
Actually, it was post 1,937. And if you don't pretend, then you must be "playing for reelz" because you sure as hell "understand" that I am "either/or" but can't be in the middle... that's all just PLAY, after all.


Now, as I preview this mess, I see that you've distracted me from the fun I could have been having on this forum I've so come to love. You've taken up quite enough of my time. More than enough.

One more little FYI: Your belief in God has absolutely nothing to do with how infuriating you are. Rather, it's your smug attitude that gets people so damn frustrated. You make your assumptions about others based on your opinions stated as facts, with nothing to back up your facts aside from your uninformed opinions, then wonder why everyone's "haranguing" you. Cry me a goddamn river.


To everyone else: I genuinely apologize for the dramatic disruption. I make no excuses. However, the fact is that some people simply bring out the worst in others.

 

[CrackerJax]

Holey mackerel! That was like a dime novella!

Some good advice in there.

 

[Babs34]

Babs believes what she believes....but can't defend it. Babs doesn't CARE about evidence, she just wants to feel comfort from the myth. I understand.... really I do.

It's pretty simple. Very simple. Simple.


^^^^^^

I am CJ and I have a gang. Or so "they" say. It's better for their ego to think that is takes a concerted effort to dispel the myth of religion. It doesn't....just a bit of common sense and the discipline to not think of yourself as the center of it all.

CJ, you are so witty.

CJ, you and a few others spend more time telling me who I am and what I believe when I have made it abundantly clear I do not adhere to any religion.

And I've said endless times that there is nothing for me to defend.
"They" follow your lead cj. You are a magnet for followers dear.

Babs doesn't CARE about evidence, she just wants to feel comfort from the myth. I understand.... really I do.
LOL, if I went back and cited every last time I re-directed you, among others, that I don't believe in religion, it would exceed the 50X mark....very easily.
I have the comprehension of a gnat?

 

[Babs34]

Hi my name is babs...
"Just a lost fucking soul in search of something."


Clueless Babs, you don't even have an opinion of your own do you, and you don't realize where your opinions even came from do you?

..btw, since WHEN did you EVER ask me for an opinion on any topic? You are way too busy following others lead.

Clueless Babs, you don't even have an opinion of your own do you, and you don't realize where your opinions even came from do you?
I'm betting you can tell me, because you just know me that well, LOL.

 

[Babs34]

And who the hell is cj?
.....a figment of his own imagination.

 

[Babs34]

The warm blanket of ignorance holds her like an invisible personal snuggy.

Babs, I am bi and Kat is bi and it's incredibly ignorant to think you understand something you have no knowledge of at all, and to hold your misguided opinions over the truths people try to tell you.

Those that have the most experience in a subject are those you should think about trying to learn from and we live the life and try to explain and nothing gets through.

If you want to know about pot are you going to ask your pastor to get your opinion, or would you maybe talk to some people with actual experience? Or would you do both and then weight each opinion based on what each person really knew or what they were just told or heard?


Maybe you can discount some people here and there, some opinions here and there, but when expert after expert agree but still nothing ever gets through to you...

That snuggie is cutting off the oxygen to your brain. I like to poke fun at you, but I'm not your enemy and have always attempted to try to open your eyes to at least some truths in life.

Listen to the pro's and those that really know, start learning to weigh opinions and think for yourself and figure things out.

Some are polite and patient about it, some lost patience with you long ago and just rip on you, and some do both and like to get a dig in every once in a while because you are really laughable but this is not some evil conspiracy or whatever. Not one person has lied to you or misdirected you.

In any subject the people to get the best information from are the people who have lived it, been there, done that. Yet you cling to the idea you know more about something, everything really.

Not just lost babs, you are full on delusional. Look it up.



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The warm blanket of ignorance holds me like an invisible personal snuggy? LOL, is this your way of being poetic? BTW, the snuggy is not a myth.....got one for Christmas and I hate the damn thing.
Babs, I am bi and Kat is bi
and? are congratualtions in order here?

and it's incredibly ignorant to think you understand something you have no knowledge of at all, and to hold your misguided opinions over the truths people try to tell you.
It has been commanded of me countless times now to "prove" this, "prove" that. You can't even show me where I commented towards Kat by analyzing her bisexuality.

I LOVE how my telling about one of my best friends sleeping with another woman turned into my assesment of Kat...or you for that matter.

I point out that she was neither a lesbian, nor was she bi-sexual and that calls for rants on end?
What's ignorant is for you to not read what I said, and instead create your own version.

Those that have the most experience in a subject are those you should think about trying to learn from and we live the life and try to explain and nothing gets through.

Dude, back up and read your own words. I hung out with TONS AND TONS of gay men. My brother I reference to was one of my best friends at that time. Going out to gay bars was more entertaining to me than a straight one........you get to dance minus being come on to, while enjoying the company of others.......OH MY Oregon.........and wouldn't you guess? Most were either bi-sexual or altogether homosexual! So much for the myth of phobia on my behalf OR not knowing by way of first hand experience! The gay lifestyle was a big part of my existence......still is to some degree.
If you "want" my opinion, ask for it, but don't load a bunch of bullshit into a scenario that just doesn't exist.

Misguided opinion? About what? My friend I was referring to? Even she knew she wasn't bi-sexual. I think it's safe to say I know that situation at hand more than you. She was one of my very best friends!

Nothing shocks me on this thread for even more than a fleeting second at this point.

Listen to the pro's and those that really know, start learning to weigh opinions and think for yourself and figure things out.

Pros? Since when does being gay or bi make you a "pro." The last time I checked, you didn't get paid for it.

start learning to weigh opinions and think for yourself and figure things out.

back up, take your advice......Oregon, you can't show me where I have enforced any such opinion. It's been COMPLETELY fabricated more than once now.

This is getting ridiculous....and I'm betting that while I post this, there are a few more ENDEARING replies coming my way......

Yes, think for yourself, rather than responding to other friends responses that were accusingly way off base.

1. 1the act of deluding : the state of being deluded
2 a. 2 asomething that is falsely or delusively believed or propagatedb. ba persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrarylsothe abnormal state marked by such beliefs
I had no need to look it up Oregon. Maybe you and others do.

 

[Babs34]

YOU SEE "THEM" TOO! OMG!!! HA HA HA HA! I'm a god! I have billions of fungi and bacteria in my organic soil. I use other types of fungi and bacteria to control "PESTS" that I do not want in my environment. The BILLIONS of organisms have no evidence that I exist. They are not aware of my presence at all. I could shout BOOO! It won't scare them. If the fungi against my roots multiply too quickly, I destroy them by the millions using predatory organisms. I control what lives, what dies, and what thrives...If you agree that I am a GOD, I will agree that there may be another life form controlling our universe, perhaps one that WE ARE NOT AWARE OF YET...

Don't waste your time shouting BOO, just throw some sand on top of that soil for starters.

 

[Katatawnic]

Well, if we're going to be posting definitions, then they ought to be complete. After all, we're asserting that words actually mean something.

deluded

1: to mislead the mind or judgment of: deceive, trick
2 obsolete a: frustrate, disappoint b: evade, elude

synonyms see DECEIVE


delusional

1: the act of deluding: the state of being deluded
2 a: something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated b: a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also: the abnormal state marked by such beliefs

synonyms DELUSION, ILLUSION, HALLUCINATION, MIRAGE mean something that is believed to be true or real but that is actually false or unreal.
DELUSION implies an inability to distinguish between what is real and what only seems to be real, often as the result of a disordered state of mind <delusions of persecution>. ILLUSION implies a false ascribing of reality based on what one sees or imagines <an illusion of safety>. HALLUCINATION implies impressions that are the product of disordered senses, as because of mental illness or drugs <suffered from terrifying hallucinations>. MIRAGE in its extended sense applies to an illusory vision, dream, hope, or aim <claimed a balanced budget is a mirage>.

 

[CrackerJax]

Okay, babs... I'll bite. If you don't adhere to any religion, how do you come up with your strong beliefs? Just make them up?

 

[Babs34]

Nice sympathy play there, Babs.

I told you who you are Kat? Really? Where? If you look back on these posts where it is you who initially posted "to me"..it is crystal clear that it is "you" telling me who I am.
Let's see... I suggested you lived a sheltered life as you've "only" heard the word "cunt" come from a gay man's mouth, and I said you must really have a problem with gays (actually, I believe I said something to the effect of "lifestyles outside of the societal norm") to make the statements you made; those are difficult to refute as you posted those statements here, in black and white. You, on the other hand, proceeded to tell me the "facts" about myself based on your opinion about sexuality, about which you are absolutely wrong. Such as...
So, let me get this right Kat...."because" I have only heard that word come from a gay man's mouth, SURELY I "must have" lived a sheltered life---a most obvious conclusion to come by. ::eyeroll:: The problem here is not me. You jumped on a bandwagon WITHOUT an OUNCE of merit.

Show me Kat....in fact, show all of us here reading WHERE I even so much as insinuated to YOU regarding YOUR personal situation.
Here's where it would have been appropriate to question rather than go off on tangent after tangent of a created understanding you have taken such a strong and WAY OFF BASE stance on. CJ's words here:
I am CJ and I have a gang. Or so "they" say. It's better for their ego to think that is takes a concerted effort to dispel the myth of religion. It doesn't....just a bit of common sense and the discipline to not think of yourself as the center of it all.

Yeah, you're right... you never once told me who/what I am. Just the "facts" eh?
I sure didn't Kat, you just read into things to suit whatever it is that is making you angry. There really ARE people in REAL life Kat who have had sexual encounters not within their propensities. Had I used that word, would it have changed your demeanor, because right now you are hell on wheels and I haven't even made the first attempt to say one damn thing about you personally......this is REEEEEEEEEEDICULOUS.


OK, I've hung out with far too many gay men for you to state I "obviously know nothing."
I wasn't talking about gays. I was talking about bisexuality, BUT I WAS RESPONDING TO A COMMENT MADE TO MORGEN. THE TOPIC WAS NOT BISEXUALITY.....I WAS WAY TOOOO TIRED TO ANALYZE YOU. Now, this IS an IRREFUTABLE FACT......THAT POST HAD NOTHINGGGGGGGGGG TO DO WITH YOU, DEAL WITH IT)as a part of what is known as the GLBT Community. More to the point, I freely gave myself as an example... mind you, in the attempt to explain to you the whole "en vogue" concept you falsely have about "most" people "trying on homosexuality" nowadays. (Your words, Babs, not mine.) You see, I'm able to grasp the difference between "homosexual" and "bisexual" whereas apparently you don't. More to the point, you refuse to acknowledge the existence of one, which I am and told you so, yet you still insist that I'm wrong about myself (after all, the "fact" is that I'm "either/or" and anything else is "just" PLAY... ring any bells?).
Oh boy, let's try on some FACTS for size Kat. You sought me out to fight..for what reason, don't know.....you certainly give me no reason to care to know. If a person even offers me a tiny ounce of respect, I will give them at least twice that respect back. Take off your blinders and realize that by my stating to Morgen at one time that there is such a thing as en vogue or "supposed" homosexuality (maybe that word would have suited you better) At this point, I think you are just bound and determined to fight....about something NON-EXISTENT. You took off with that one liner like a bat out of hell.
More to the point, you refuse to acknowledge the existence of one, which I am and told you so, yet you still insist that I'm wrong about myself (after all, the "fact" is that I'm "either/or" and anything else is "just" PLAY... ring any bells?).KEYWORDS: PROPENSITY AND PREFERENCES.....WE ALL HAVE THEM. Dear God, I have a feeling I will have to repeat this several times over too. MY FRIEND I am referring to you IS NOT YOU and was in NO way even remotely used to direct anything whatsoever towards your sexuality.
I'm seriously tripping on you and your speech here, all of it. Where did I insist upon ANY thing about you up until now? You can't show that. It does not exist.
REMINDER: I WAS ON MY WAY TO BED. MY RESPONSE WAS TO MYYYYYYYYYY INITIAL RESPONSE------"TO" MORGEN, AND from ANOTHER THREAD. That served as an invitation for you to waste my time responding to these ridiculous accusations?
I said nothing to apologize or be harangued over, and definitely, without question....NOTHING I SAID SERVED AS AN INVITATION FOR YOU TO FABRICATE MY BELIEFS. LOL, I still have yet to give them. You are all too busy summing me up before the fact......SO hypocritical from those who are concerned with Christians attempt to deny you your legal "rights." I've seen some serious judgments taught via the church, but NOT ANYTHING CAN COMPARE TO the OBNOXIOUS AND NON-EXISTENT " factual judgements" from you and other proclaimed atheists on this thread. I'm happy to say you're(as in atheists) not all like that. I got off the gay topic for a second there Kat......I guess I have to spell it out for you so as to not be accused of somehow "gay bashing."




Sympathy play? HAHAHAHA
Wrong Kat. The "sad" face was not to serve as I was tearful and immensely wounded by your so negatively responding to me right from the beginning. It is just sad, as in really pathetic.
I sit back and either ignore or overlook with almost every IMMATURE response from a few. No matter how many times I am willing to ignore the ignorance, it shines forth over and over, but this really takes the cake. You MISREAD and you very obviously internalized something that just DID NOT EVEN EXIST TO BEGIN WITH.




I repeat: you obviously know nothing about what you're spouting.



...and I never accused you of calling any one a name or referencing to Morgen's "substance".. YES, please do re-read
And I never accused you of accusing me of calling anyone a name or referencing Morgen's "substance" either.
I really don't know where you got that from my above statement.
*sigh* From your posts.
I was referencing to HIM and YOU used it as an opportunity to jump in to the conversation....
It's a public forum discussion, to which I chose to add my points for clarification.
just to harangue me, I might add.
.HINT: FOOD FOR THOUGHT-Yes Babs, that's exactly what I did, exactly what I always do... go around "abusing" others just to "harangue" them. It's my M.O., dontcha know. Do you play Victim IRL Babs, or do you reserve this just for the Internetz?
You so completely misread.
No, that would be you. Consistently, it appears.
This is why I have skipped out on reading any posts on this thread for awhile now. So many of you have already formed your opinion COMPLETELY about those of us who believe in God and WHAT it is we believe.
And you don't ever form your opinion about those who don't believe in a god. Now I see you form your own opinion about homosexuals and bisexuals as well, put the label "fact" on your opinions, and then expect others to just nod emphatically... when they are what you claim does not exist.
One can only bang their head against the wall so many times before waking up and smelling the coffee.
Kind of like how I've continued to give you the benefit of doubt, in spite of your outbursts and constant jabs at those who dare to contradict anything you say? Yeah, I'm done with that wall. My head hurts.
There are no "discussions" on this thread.
No discussions that are to your liking, at any rate. HINT: This is a thread about atheism, yet you feel the desire or need or right (or whatever the hell it is) to repeatedly post in here with smug little remarks and (poorly) "veiled" insults.
Never once have I witnessed any proclaimed Christian chime in so they could proselytize.
(Never once have you witnessed me rush into threads about Christianity just so I can tell the Christians how wrong they are, and make stupid little jabs at them any opportunity I get.)
Every last time a fellow believer dared to post, they were jumped on like prey from others. Please, there are no discussions on this thread....just attacks already formed because of pre-judgment.
Oh, please! Your role of Victim is a willing one when, again, you come into a thread about atheism in the first place.
Questions are posed to a believer, but an honest answer is not what is sought on this thread, as has been evident.
Honesty is all we've sought in this thread, from ourselves and from anyone else who "dares" to post.
It's really getting old watching the "come-back" from the atheist to demand that a believer prove God.....otherwise they are "stupid."
It's really getting old watching the "come back" from the believer to demand that an atheist prove there is no god... otherwise they are "stupid"... oh, and "damned" as well.
That was solely my response to how confusing I found it that you were breaking apart my every sentence in defense mode....no need to be that way with me.
You broke apart my existence. But there's no need for me to "be that way" (defend myself and who/what I am) with you, eh?

There is no desire on my part to bash gay people...NONE. Why you are attempting to note me as homophobic is ridiculously laughable. Again, you are telling me who I am, not vice verca.
Refer to my response above RE: who's telling whom who/what they are. According to you, I don't even exist.

You state that you "were having a discussion." A discussion entails asking questions when in doubt, not just emphatically and falsely accusing others of their beliefs.
Did you do this for me, or did you simply tell me that I can't be bisexual, because, after all, the "fact" is that a person is "either/or" (gay or straight) but no in between, because that is "just PLAY."

Sorry if as I stated "verbatim" that I feel there is always a preference offended you...sheesh.
"Always" being the key word. "Fact" being another key word. "Truth" as well. All stated by you to me, about me. But no offense should be taken, huh Babs? SHEESH.

I did listen....or rather read.
Apparently not. You seem to "read" what words you want to be there.
Again, I don't know why you find it so offensive that you feel this need to put me on a stand. AGAIN, I told you that you were "wrong"...about what? You lost me Kat.
You're the one who's lost.
I told you positively nothing about yourself. Why are you getting so defensive with me?
*sigh*

Kat, there was not a single second of my posting last night where I was being stubborn.
Sure Babs, sure. You're right, I'm wrong, end of story. Happy now?
In fact, one of the first things I said was that it was later for me than you. I was on my way to bed.
And I said in my first post of this particular discussion that I was tired at the end of a long Sunday day/evening, hence the probable rambling, etc. Your point?
I promise you the last thing on my mind was telling you who you are or ANALYZING you
I call bullshit.
..the Dr. Babs comment, along with some other choice words you threw out were just outlandish...and so very uncalled for. I wish you would see that.
I reserved myself from using choice words I truly felt and thought about your entire display of ignorance and stubbornness. Trust me on that.

When in doubt, ask me.
In other words, give to you what you refuse to give to others.

Had I known in advance that by my merely posting was going to create such havoc, I'd of gone to bed earlier........dayum.
Break out the violin, everyone! Are you a reincarnation of Mozart, per chance?

Sorry.....I can't tell you if you're gay or straight. I don't have enough information to guide you there.
I spoon fed you the fucking information! My request for a diagnonsense from you was sheer sarcasm. Look it up.

That was just low Kat. I reserve that kind of response from cj.
Ah yes, the Demonic CJ... who's been kinder to me than probably anyone else on RIU, though I've never once asked for his kindness. And just a little FYI, no, he and I do not agree on everything; maybe half of our beliefs/positions are the same. I simply don't go making shots below the belt when I don't agree with him; probably why he's never been rude to me. You should try straight shooting sometime, Babs. You may find that you are better received.
There was no "discussion"....just one accusation after another from you.
Oh.My.God.

"Ignorance" is defined by the beholder who portrays themself as knowing something to be absolute truth.....
Such as using "fact" and "truth" and "either/or" in your statements about the honesty others freely give about their personal lives in order to help someone like you understand something instead of spouting "facts" pulled out of your ass?
that being said, every last one of us posting here is ignorant in that case.
Some are more ignorant than others. Willfully, might I add.

Post 1, 938---I thought to correct that but really fail to see the significant factor in changing that typo)....I do not pretend to understand any single thing in all its complexities.
Actually, it was post 1,937. And if you don't pretend, then you must be "playing for reelz" because you sure as hell "understand" that I am "either/or" but can't be in the middle... that's all just PLAY, after all.


Now, as I preview this mess, I see that you've distracted me from the fun I could have been having on this forum I've so come to love. You've taken up quite enough of my time. More than enough.

One more little FYI: Your belief in God has absolutely nothing to do with how infuriating you are. Rather, it's your smug attitude that gets people so damn frustrated. You make your assumptions about others based on your opinions stated as facts, with nothing to back up your facts aside from your uninformed opinions, then wonder why everyone's "haranguing" you. Cry me a goddamn river.


To everyone else: I genuinely apologize for the dramatic disruption. I make no excuses. However, the fact is that some people simply bring out the worst in others.
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Someone sure did take an awful lot of time to respond here and from merely glancing at it, it sure wasn't to say they could have possilbly misconstrued that my having spoken about MY FRIEND not being a lesbian, NOR bi was in no way an analogy of you Kat. But I can see from having glanced over very briefly that you are adamantly determined to attack for NOT A SINGLE REASON IN THE WORLD:::::::huge eyeroll::::::::

Sympathy for what Kat? No call for sympathy, just goes to show how determined you are to fight me though....which is why rather than reading more than once, I will instead reply as I go.
Kind of like how I've continued to give you the benefit of doubt, in spite of your outbursts and constant jabs at those who dare to contradict anything you say? Yeah, I'm done with that wall. My head hurts.
That's not me defined Kat, hello ...do wake up and smell the coffee. That's been your buddies to the tee---you're banging your head on another non-existent wall you without reason just toss up as grandiose evidence but can NOT back up with PROOF. Wow, LOOOL, I am beginning to sound like some of you! HAHAHAHA

I haven't afforded any of you the right to give me headaches, so the response to just about any thing I've ever posted here is "ur stupid." Impressive! And than when that doesn't provoke the response you desire, resort to backing up delusion with COMPLETE fabrication. ::eyeroll::

No discussions that are to your liking, at any rate. HINT: This is a thread about atheism, yet you feel the desire or need or right (or whatever the hell it is) to repeatedly post in here with smug little remarks and (poorly) "veiled" insults.
And it gets even RICHER, HAHAHAHA. Kat, ask P and Morgen how I ended up even being acquainted with either? Are you ready? It was on a spirituality thread discussing GOD. "That" thread was not an atheist thread and I was not posting on it to seek arguments. It was however being used by atheists to do just that...no big surprise.
The smug little remarks are always prompted by cj or morgen Kat....it's all in this thread alone in black and white.

As I said earlier, I give back what I receive and had either of them given me an ounce of respect, I would have returned to them in kind.
It's all in black and white. I offer no apologies for responding to their smug remarks.....look at what started YOU on a whirlwind here----morgen doing precisely what you accuse me of.
eyeroll:: so much for that argument too.

I never accused you of this either. Why so bitter?
Never once have you witnessed me rush into threads about Christianity just so I can tell the Christians how wrong they are, and make stupid little jabs at them any opportunity I get.

Oh, please! Your role of Victim is a willing one when, again, you come into a thread about atheism in the first place.
See above.
Honesty is all we've sought in this thread, from ourselves and from anyone else who "dares" to post.
Were that so Kat, you wouldn't have gone off on such extremes that never even existed to begin with and at minium, verified this "supposed willful ignorance" on "my part" and asked me what I thought rather than spell it out for me and accuse me of telling you what you think.....I'm still tripping that you have SOOOOOOOOO COMPLETELY MISREAD.....oh well.
It's really getting old watching the "come back" from the believer to demand that an atheist prove there is no god... otherwise they are "stupid"... oh, and "damned" as well.
Yup, that's me too Kat...nutty Christian damning you non-believers to hell.....oh brother, my eyes are beginning to hurt from the rolls.
So that's fair game for the atheist to demand proof, but not the believer?...another no big surprise.

You broke apart my existence. But there's no need for me to "be that way" (defend myself and who/what I am) with you, eh?
How does an account of my friend from youth have a damned thing to do with you? THINK ABOUT IT.
One LAST time, as repeating around here has surpassed exceedingly redundant--
My last post before you decided to break apart and so completely misread didn't have ANY THING to do with what you posted, but EVERYTHING to do with MY response TO Morgen.......
I just can't believe how much you have twisted that. Your sexual preference was the furthest thing from my mind in that post.

A mere reference to it happening and all of that bogus adlib is nothing short of willfull judgemental behavior on YOUR part Kat, not mine.

If you are going to accuse me of things that just aren't so, at least do so WITH MERIT.
Ah yes, the Demonic CJ... who's been kinder to me than probably anyone else on RIU, though I've never once asked for his kindness. And just a little FYI, no, he and I do not agree on everything; maybe half of our beliefs/positions are the same. I simply don't go making shots below the belt when I don't agree with him; probably why he's never been rude to me. You should try straight shooting sometime, Babs. You may find that you are better received.
Yo Kat.....I remember exactly what thread CJ even began posting to me. Maybe I should look for it?.....Just to show you how every last one of those posts show you are in agreeance with me.....surprise, surprise. CJ loves to visit spiritual threads too, to mock their beliefs, call names, and thus exhibit his intellectual superiority...no, let me rephrase, "grace upon us" his intellectual superiority.

You and CJ both Kat are now officially guilty of this. I expected it from him, not you. Every post from CJ to me from first to last has been a play on calling me stupid just because I'm not an intelligent atheist like himself.

Save the violin. I never asked for it.
Asking questions to clarify your accusations would have helped.

I didn't realize just how much you had been sitting back resenting me for my "behavior."
You really just have no idea how much you have overplayed your assumptions..exactly what they are, nothing less than.

Because CJ is respectful towards you does not make it the case with me. His very posts from the first to now to me have been to mock me for believing in God and he hasn't stopped since.


Before you reamed me for shit, you first reamed your buddy(ies).
Never once have you witnessed me rush into threads about Christianity just so I can tell the Christians how wrong they are, and make stupid little jabs at them any opportunity I get.

 

[afrawfraw]

Sand! Sand particles are too large to carry electrical charges...Let's stick to philosophy.

If you want to believe in god then do. Just keep your mind open to the possibility that it may not be what you expect. This is a fair point, no?

I'm usually too lit and never bored enough to argue too much. "EEW, I wasn't looking the WHOLE time" - GOD

 

[afrawfraw]

OH! And for the record, we're all full of shit. No one knows how this fuckfest started, and no one knows how it ends. But we can speculate to make ourselves feel better...I'm not down on religions. They can be abused like anything else that's powerful, but can have positive influences as well. Being an Atheist is no walk in the park. TALK ME DOWN MAN!!! TALK ME DOWN!!!

 

[Babs34]

Well, if we're going to be posting definitions, then they ought to be complete. After all, we're asserting that words actually mean something.

deluded

1: to mislead the mind or judgment of: deceive, trick
2 obsolete a: frustrate, disappoint b: evade, elude

synonyms see DECEIVE


delusional

1: the act of deluding: the state of being deluded
2 a: something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated b: a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also: the abnormal state marked by such beliefs

synonyms DELUSION, ILLUSION, HALLUCINATION, MIRAGE mean something that is believed to be true or real but that is actually false or unreal.
DELUSION implies an inability to distinguish between what is real and what only seems to be real, often as the result of a disordered state of mind <delusions of persecution>. ILLUSION implies a false ascribing of reality based on what one sees or imagines <an illusion of safety>. HALLUCINATION implies impressions that are the product of disordered senses, as because of mental illness or drugs <suffered from terrifying hallucinations>. MIRAGE in its extended sense applies to an illusory vision, dream, hope, or aim <claimed a balanced budget is a mirage>.

Sing it girl.
Take a breath...enough.

 

[Katatawnic]

I don't care that you first discussed homosexuality with Morgen, and not me. If you don't want others "jumping in" on your conversations, then don't have them on public boards. That simple. However, that's what you did, and I responded with an explanation of my life in the hopes of just possibly helping you to see that not all people who aren't 100% gay or straight aren't necessarily "trying on" homosexuality, or however the hell you're choosing to rephrase it now. You did immediately tell me that you appreciate my honesty about my "excursions" but that there is "either/or" and the "fact" is that there is "always" a preference: either gay or straight, but not bisexual. This was right before you brought up your friend who "wasn't" bisexual (though she hit on you, a woman; go figure). I'm not stupid, I have excellent reading comprehension, and I know exactly what you said. Interesting that I (and others) can see the timeline, yet you can't seem to recall what you said and when; never mind that it's still right there.

Whatever, Babs. I don't care. If you so desperately need to be "right" in this, then so be it... you're right, I'm wrong, I reamed you for no reason, and I'm just plain delusional. You're a really, really swell gal who hasn't deserved a single derogatory remark from anyone, ever. You've never gone Histrionic on anyone, you don't say one thing then play Victim when you're called on your statements, and you certainly don't try to rewrite recent history such as your posts that are still there for everyone to see. Everyone just has it out for you, with no reason and no provocation.

Happy?

I told you "enough" hours ago, dear. I said I'd had "more than enough" of you, to be precise. Keep proclaiming your innocence. Continued repetition will ensure that you'll be able to believe it, if no one else.

Now, where is that "ignore" feature again?

 

[OregonMeds]

Let me point out what you said that is completely offensive, MASSIVELY ignorant, and TOTALLY wrong:



Originally Posted by Babs34
Wowza....too entirely much to digest for my being on this clock.....it's earlier for you.
Personally, I DO find "cunt" to hold a bit more derrogartory value...simply "because" it has only been heard "by" a gay man.
"Naturally" MOST have at least one or another issue with their mother/father........but BET on it, there IS a pattern like no other in the male/female role in parenthood when acknowledging a TRUE homosexual. A gay man is almost ALWAYS overly protected by his mother or has an EXTREMELY domineering mother, and either an entirely absent father or role model that exhibits absence in one way or another.

DUMB DUMB DUMB

Look Kat, I appreciate your honesty here with your excursions............but truth is truth. You just ARE one or the other. When it comes to preferences, you are "either or." Bisexuality falls into play of just "playing."

JUST WOW...



There IS such a thing as peference.
I've never been afraid to admit that I find the woman's body beautiful......but I haven't the inate capacity to go down on one,.......it's just not me.
I love men.

.....for their bodies. It just so happens that nine out of ten times, their minds ROYALLY SUCK.
"However"....because I can share this heartfelt feeling with other females does not necessiate a need to have sex with them.
LOL, I have stories galore......just one tiny example----one of my best friends growing up. I used to take this girl and throw her over my shoulder at high school parties because guys would FUCK her WHILE SHE WAS PASSED OUT!!!!!!!!!!!! How could I feel good about going home semi-sober knowing she was being raped??????? I did this for 2 out of her 4 HS years.
You know how she thanked me? HAHAHHHA, I'm sorry, it's funny "now." I moved in with her at the age of 21, after having not been around her for YEARS. It turned out she was the "same ole, same ole".........in short, she was simply a slut.
The phone rang off the hook...whenver she wasn't there (she randomly gave her phone number out to EVERY GUY SHE MET).........SO, whenever she wasn't passing out an invitation to screw her, she was coming on to me!!!

She was NOT a lesbian, just a lost fucking soul in search of SOMEthing, ANYthing that would bring her gratification in one way or another. It was VERY sad.
I guarantee you though.........that girl was no lesbian and had she not been brought up in such a fucked up environment, she would have never had a single encounter with another female.
My take is that you are either inately attracted to either your own or the opposite sex.........anything else is just PLAY.

COME ON, READ WHAT YOU WROTE SLOWLY AND THINK. Your little experience with a confused teen isn't really relevant and gives you zero insight into the truth. This is just one example of how you lock your brain down, hold your flimsy opinion over the truth, and aren't learning shit.
period.
We aren't playing around, it's how we are and how you are raised has nothing to do with it. Daddy didn't molest me etc, mommy didn't turn me this way, and we are not confused about any of it. Silliness.