Global Warming Update

Big P

Big P

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Woodstock.Hippie said:
Fried Goat.

Hippie Tip:

Nothing Goat-like was carried over in Big P's quote on purpose, eh?

Scanners scanning quickly gotta be phast as phucking white rabbits cause they ain't got time to do an advanced original 1243 woodstock.hippie search within the text editing time traveling and infinitely evolving thread entangling windows, perhaps.

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Shut Up And Vote

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hmmm that last pic looks like a throbbing butthole with a pink sock pull out

very nice.


so you ever try any lsd hipp?
 
Woodstock.Hippie

Woodstock.Hippie

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If you believe in Dinosaurs, that is.

[youtube]X08VhMTL13M[/youtube]

Dinosaurs were Gaia's most highly evolved children.

Hundreds of millions of years honed to physical perfections beyond anything your mind or soul has experienced, dude.

What can the Nautali perceive, or is that not reality just a perception?

:hump:
:peace:
 
Big P

Big P

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Woodstock.Hippie said:
If you believe in Dinosaurs, that is.

[youtube]X08VhMTL13M[/youtube]

Dinosaurs were Gaia's most highly evolved children.

Hundreds of millions of years honed to physical perfections beyond anything your mind or soul has experienced, dude.

What can the Nautali perceive, or is that not reality just a perception?

:hump:
:peace:
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hipp you ever do lsd a lot?


do you not have conversations on here anymore?



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medicineman

medicineman

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Artic shores are being washed away:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJAbATJCugs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-0_gDXqYeQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skFrR3g4BRQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rdLu7wiZOE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nRf2RTqANg&feature=related
I realize you freaks are disbelievers, well I guess you'll have to experience it for yourselves,
There are plenty more Videos of global warming, enlighten yourselves, open those closed minds, shit is happening. Humans are responsible for a percentage of the warming, yup thats right folks. We've seen the enemy and it is us.
 
Big P

Big P

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medicineman said:
Artic shores are being washed away:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJAbATJCugs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-0_gDXqYeQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skFrR3g4BRQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rdLu7wiZOE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nRf2RTqANg&feature=related
I realize you freaks are disbelievers, well I guess you'll have to experience it for yourselves,
There are plenty more Videos of global warming, enlighten yourselves, open those closed minds, shit is happening. Humans are responsible for a percentage of the warming, yup thats right folks. We've seen the enemy and it is us.
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all data since 1998 until today shows that the earth has been cooling

before that is was getting hotter until 1998 that is!!


wanna know somthing else that stopped happening and came to an end around 1998?


the latest cycle of active sunspot activity


we are now, since 1998, been going into the much more dorment phase of the sun spot cycle.


this is all a fact


this means there will be a mini ice age in europe as there was last time the sun spot activity waned in a few hundred years back



The Little Ice Age

Hunters in the Snow by Pieter Breughel. Breughel captured the long winters of the Little Ice Age in this 1565 painting.
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Caspar Ammann




From about 1250 to 1850 temperatures were a bit colder than usual in most parts of the world. This time is called the Little Ice Age. During the Little Ice Age, the average temperature of the planet was about a degree Celsius cooler than it is today (that’s 2-3 degrees Fahrenheit). Scientists think that the planet was cooler because there was less solar activity and more erupting volcanoes. The Little Ice Age was not a true ice age because it did not get cold enough for long enough to cause ice sheets to grow larger. The cooling likely affected areas around the world but we have the most records of how it changed daily life from Europe. Listed below were some of the things we know happened during the Little Ice Age.
  • Fur trappers reported that southern Hudson Bay remained frozen for about 3 weeks longer each spring.
  • Fishermen reported large amounts of sea ice floating in the North Atlantic.
  • British people saw Eskimos paddling canoes off the coast of England.
  • Alpine (mountain) glaciers grew larger.
  • Winters were longer and growing seasons shorter according to tree ring data and records of cherry tree flowering.
  • Wet weather caused disease that affected people, animals and crops including the plague. The plague is also called the Black Death. It was a disease that killed more than a third of Europeans.
  • Because farmers couldn’t grow food, people went hungry in areas of northern and Eastern Europe. Unlike today, there was no way to transport food from far away.
 
Big P

Big P

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everyone and thier momma will be talking to this guy all over the news once it hits




Solar Physicist Predicts Ice Age. What happened to global warming?

July 6, 10:19 PM
Environmental Policy Examiner
Kirtland Griffin


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Timo Niroma, a physicist from Finland, publishes a Solar Report each month. He has given his permission to use it and distribute it to all so here it is. It will be a regular feature here and I hope you look forward to it as much as I do. The report is not written in the usual user-friendly way, but is rather intended for scientists that are familiar with the information contained in it. I will attempt to simplify and explain the details of the report and how it could impact you and, of course, Al Gore and company. As the predictions come true, as I assume they will, the green lobby will go on unemployment compensation. Let's start at the beginning and take it piece by piece.

"JUNE BREAKING NEWS: THE CYCLE GOES AT THE MOMENT BELOW DALTON LEVEL" gives away the punch line but let's see how he gets there.
In the following Timo discusses the sunspot activity of the new, as yet not begun, cycle #24:

"So the activity of the cycle 24 has still been greatest in October-November 2008
by length (2 times 8 days). Also by size of the together 4 of size 80, 3
appeared in November 2008, and now one in June 2009.
Altogether there were six sunspot groups in June, but the five after the decent
spot in the beginning of June lasted from 1 to 3 days. The sunspot number of May
was 2.6.

From July 2008 to June 2009 the sunspot number has varied from 0.5 (July and
August 2008) to 4.1 (November 2008). December 2008 and March 2009 were also very
quiet (0.8 and 0.7). Besides in November the sunspot number was higher than in
June 2009 in October 2008 (2.9) and in May 2009 (2.9). So the 12 month activity
can be described as: ---++-----+. No trend so far."

The upshot of this is that there has no indication that the new cycle is about to start. One needs to know that as solar cycles drag on, the likelyhood becomes greater that the next cycle will be weaker. That translates to a cooler climate.

The following is interesting, as Timo says, because the previous cycle although not extraordinary had a much stronger build up than the new cycle #24. Here he describes the differences.

"It is interesting to note that during the previous cycle change 22/23 in 1996
there were only two months with SSN below 3 (September and October 1996). During

the on-going minimum there has been already 17 months below 3, 3 in 2007, 8 in

2008 and all 6 thus far in 2009 (i.e. all 2009 numbers up (until) today)."
What is being discussed next is the magnetic flux or intensity which is a strong indicator of climate. The 11 years is significant in that it is the mean of the solar cycle length. A curious point here is that few cycles are ever 11 years long but are either longer or shorter. Not sure why that is but it is curious. What he is saying is that during the previous cycle's minimum in 1995 and 1996, the magnetic flux was the same as the value 11 years later , at a time when the new cycle should be thinking of getting underway. However, at that point the divergence between the two cycles became evident. Cycle #24 is coming in like a lamb.

"The 10.7 cm fluxes of the sunspots were nearly equal at a distance of 11 years
in 1995-1996 versus 2006-2007:
1995 77 / 2006 80
1996 72 / 2007 73 (1996 was minimum between cycles 22/23)

And so began a dramatic separation in the solar magnetic flux. The cycle 23
began with vengeance in 1997, but the cycle 24 did not in 2008. In fact the
first and almost only decent spots in October-November 2008 did not affect the
flux, which in fact made its all-time (since late 1940's when first measured)
low in November-December 2008".

The number list that follows shows that 1997 and 2008 show a significantly lower intensity for the current minimum. Around 30% lower.
Here we find that we have to go back to some pretty cold times to find a similar solar pattern. The calculation of length of the current cycle #23 comes from the fact that you can only tell when a cycle is over, when the spots associated with the new cycle overpower the spots with the old cycle. Old cycle sunspots are observed near the solar equator whereas the new cycle sunspots are in the mid to high latitude areas (like Montreal on Earth) and are of opposite polarity magnetically.

"The yearly spot value of 2007 was already only 7.6 which is below the previous
minimum in 1996 (with 8.6). The value dropped to 2.6 in 2008 and the smoothed

value at the moment is 1.7 (December 2008). (In December 2007 it was 5.0 .)
We
must go to the year 1913 to find a lower smoothed value (1.5). The November 2008

value means that the cycle 23 has at least a length of 12.6 years.
There has been only 2 cycles since 1749 longer than the cycle 23, the cycle 4
(1784-1798) just before the Dalton minimum and the cycle 6 (1810-1823 or the
second of the Dalton cycles). The cycle 9 (1843-1856) had about the same length

as we have now achieved (12.5 years). It began the series of 5 Jovian (Jupiter) cycles and
a cool climate in 1856-1913 (the Damon minimum)".

I won't go into all the details here, but the IPCC looks at solar irradiance as the only factor that determines the Sun's ability to warm the Earth's climate. If you count them up here, there are many other factors to be considered and they are all at an extreme low compared to our recent past. "Recent" is a relative term not indicating the past 10 or 20 years.

"Now what do we have: 1. Livingston-Penn observations that the magnetic strength

of the sunspots irrespective of their amount has linearly declined since at
least 1990 leading the spots vanishing in 2014 or 2015 if the trend continues.
2. A 50-year low in solar wind pressure: Measurements by the Ulysses spacecraft

reveal a 20% drop in solar wind pressure since the mid-1990's. 3. A 12 year low
in solar irradiance: the sun's brightness has dropped a whopping 6% at extreme
UV wavelengths since the solar minimum of 1996. 4. A 55-year low in solar radio
wavelengths. The lessening of radio emissions seems to be an indication of
weakness in the sun's global magnetic field. 5. The all-time low (since Maunder
minimum) of Gleissberg cycle in 2005 (72 years). 6. Ap Index very low. 7. TSI
(Total Solar Irradiance) at its lowest since satellite observations began in
1979 (1365 Watts)".

So here we start to get to the meat of the report. If you look at the data, there appears to be a cycle of 210 years at work here. This, by the way, is an often repeated cycle length for the Sun which has many cycles of various lengths.
"Autocorrelation of the sunspots since 1760 gives the highest correlation as 210
years. The Dalton minimum began in 1798".
Remember Dalton means, "Coooooold, Brrrr! Then we have this:
"The yearly sunspot numbers of 1795-1798 were 21, 16, 6.4 and 4.1, the
corresponding values for 2005-2008 were 30, 15, 7.6 and 2.8. The first full
Dalton year or 1799, had a SSN value of 6.8. The SSN of the first 6 months of
2009 is 1.7".

The progressions illustrate that there is a similarity between the years prior to the Dalton, and the minimum leading up to the cycle #24 but lower than those leading up to the Dalton.

Next is an interesting list of Climatic periods in our past on Earth, all of which correlate with solar parameters at the time. Folks back then recorded a tremendous amount of information about the Sun and there were also proxy measurements available.

"Well, there was the 300-year Roman Optimum in 100 BC to AD 200, the 200-year
oscillation 200-900 (200 cold, 300 warm, 400 cold, 600-900 cold), the 300-year
Medieval Optimum 900-1200 (with some colder spells plus warm aftermaths), the
300-year Little Ice Age 1400-1700, the 300-year "Global Warming" 1700-2005 (with
some drawbacks especially in the 1800's). A NEW LIA WITH SPÖRER AND MAUNDER IN
2005-2300???"

That's 300 years of cold, in case you missed it! The Maunder minimum was the bottom of the Little Ice Age from which all IPCC temperature charts begin. That is because it was coldest then and makes the warming look worse. Had they started their charts during the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) we would be wondering why it is still so cool. Like when are we going to get to the good stuff.
And then we get the punch line:
"THE CYCLE 24 HAS NOW GONE CLEARLY BELOW DALTON LEVEL."
This is pretty strong evidence. Had you been reading these reports for a few years you would have seen that Timo has been very conservative in his predictions. His earlier predictions were much less severe but trust me, you would be a lot happier with global warming than you will be with a Maunder type solar event. You can take that to the bank. The only thing that makes me grin about this is that it will end the man made global warming scam once and for all. Unless they can convince politicians that we did that too.
 
medicineman

medicineman

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Big P said:
all data since 1998 until today shows that the earth has been cooling

before that is was getting hotter


wanna know somthing else that stopped happening and came to an end arounf 1998?


the latest actice cycle of sunspot activity

we are no since 1998 been going into the much more dorment phase of the sun spot cycle.

this is all a fact

this means there will be a mini ice age in europe as there was last time the sun spot activity waned in


The Little Ice Age Hunters in the Snow by Pieter Breughel. Breughel captured the long winters of the Little Ice Age in this 1565 painting.
Click on image for full size (35 Kb)
Caspar Ammann



From about 1250 to 1850 temperatures were a bit colder than usual in most parts of the world. This time is called the Little Ice Age. During the Little Ice Age, the average temperature of the planet was about a degree Celsius cooler than it is today (that’s 2-3 degrees Fahrenheit). Scientists think that the planet was cooler because there was less solar activity and more erupting volcanoes. The Little Ice Age was not a true ice age because it did not get cold enough for long enough to cause ice sheets to grow larger. The cooling likely affected areas around the world but we have the most records of how it changed daily life from Europe. Listed below were some of the things we know happened during the Little Ice Age.
  • Fur trappers reported that southern Hudson Bay remained frozen for about 3 weeks longer each spring.
  • Fishermen reported large amounts of sea ice floating in the North Atlantic.
  • British people saw Eskimos paddling canoes off the coast of England.
  • Alpine (mountain) glaciers grew larger.
  • Winters were longer and growing seasons shorter according to tree ring data and records of cherry tree flowering.
  • Wet weather caused disease that affected people, animals and crops including the plague. The plague is also called the Black Death. It was a disease that killed more than a third of Europeans.
  • Because farmers couldn’t grow food, people went hungry in areas of northern and Eastern Europe. Unlike today, there was no way to transport food from far away.
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I don't really know about all that. Global warming will cause colder weather in places, like the midwest this year, but the west coast of Canada, in fact all of the north is having a very warm winter. The thing is, our weather patterns are changing, and that is due to Human interaction. This is the crux of the arguement: The cause of the warming. Some like you think it is sunspots or natural phenomenom, others like me say it is humans doing the majority of the warming. The rape of the resources, trees, fish, oil etc., all contribute to the warming. The people that don't believe himans are a partial cause, just don't consider the facts. They think it is a conspiracy for a few individuals to make a lot of money. I'm sure there are those dicks that will exploit anything, even global warming, but it doesnt explain the root causes.
 
ChChoda

ChChoda

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medicineman said:
I don't really know about all that. Global warming will cause colder weather in places, like the midwest this year, but the west coast of Canada, in fact all of the north is having a very warm winter. The thing is, our weather patterns are changing, and that is due to Human interaction. This is the crux of the arguement: The cause of the warming. Some like you think it is sunspots or natural phenomenom, others like me say it is humans doing the majority of the warming. The rape of the resources, trees, fish, oil etc., all contribute to the warming. The people that don't believe himans are a partial cause, just don't consider the facts. They think it is a conspiracy for a few individuals to make a lot of money. I'm sure there are those dicks that will exploit anything, even global warming, but it doesnt explain the root causes.
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I'll give you that...raping fish does contribute to warming; of the penis, when done vigorously. As for the rest...:lol:
 
Big P

Big P

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medicineman said:
I don't really know about all that. Global warming will cause colder weather in places, like the midwest this year, but the west coast of Canada, in fact all of the north is having a very warm winter. The thing is, our weather patterns are changing, and that is due to Human interaction. This is the crux of the arguement: The cause of the warming. Some like you think it is sunspots or natural phenomenom, others like me say it is humans doing the majority of the warming. The rape of the resources, trees, fish, oil etc., all contribute to the warming. The people that don't believe himans are a partial cause, just don't consider the facts. They think it is a conspiracy for a few individuals to make a lot of money. I'm sure there are those dicks that will exploit anything, even global warming, but it doesnt explain the root causes.
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i do agree that you would have to be stupid to think our actions do not have an impact on the earth

but what percent of the climate change are we responsible for?

1% or 100%?

just for logics sake since we have ice cores of past changes as recent as the 1800's leads me to assume our impact cannot be more than the impact of the natural governing factors,


some want to control the money with the unproven view that its our fault

others whos money will be taken away if they do that, like oil companies and many other businesses that employ people will scream bloody murder and say its because of natuarl causes mostly and there is not proof its our fault, submitting that climate change happens either way with our without us


but your right its all about money. polluters make money because people wanna buy thier stuff.


but the people who wanna take that money under the gise of man made climate change want to just take the money and leave us with much less jobs and much less income!!!!

what gives?

untill they prove it they can kiss my ass they aint touching my wallet or my job over somthing they dont even know about and they are now to the point where they have all been activly lieing and decieving us for finacial and political purposes


not cool, usually if you have proof or you are right, you dont have to make things up.

 
jeff f

jeff f

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medicineman said:
I don't really know about all that. Global warming will cause colder weather in places, like the midwest this year, but the west coast of Canada, in fact all of the north is having a very warm winter. The thing is, our weather patterns are changing, and that is due to Human interaction. This is the crux of the arguement: The cause of the warming. Some like you think it is sunspots or natural phenomenom, others like me say it is humans doing the majority of the warming. The rape of the resources, trees, fish, oil etc., all contribute to the warming. The people that don't believe himans are a partial cause, just don't consider the facts. They think it is a conspiracy for a few individuals to make a lot of money. I'm sure there are those dicks that will exploit anything, even global warming, but it doesnt explain the root causes.
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well doc, how bout splainin to us dumb sunsabitches WHY IS IT SO FUCKING COLD IN THE ENTIRE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE?

i never raped a single fish...ever. there was this time i was trippin and actually fell into a tree knot hole. but the tree sorta liked it so i dont thik it was rape....
 
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PadawanBater

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Big P said:
all data since 1998 until today shows that the earth has been cooling

before that is was getting hotter until 1998 that is!!

wanna know somthing else that stopped happening and came to an end around 1998?

the latest cycle of active sunspot activity

we are now, since 1998, been going into the much more dorment phase of the sun spot cycle.

this is all a fact

this means there will be a mini ice age in europe as there was last time the sun spot activity waned in a few hundred years back

From about 1250 to 1850 temperatures were a bit colder than usual in most parts of the world. This time is called the Little Ice Age. During the Little Ice Age, the average temperature of the planet was about a degree Celsius cooler than it is today (that’s 2-3 degrees Fahrenheit). Scientists think that the planet was cooler because there was less solar activity and more erupting volcanoes. The Little Ice Age was not a true ice age because it did not get cold enough for long enough to cause ice sheets to grow larger. The cooling likely affected areas around the world but we have the most records of how it changed daily life from Europe. Listed below were some of the things we know happened during the Little Ice Age.
  • Fur trappers reported that southern Hudson Bay remained frozen for about 3 weeks longer each spring.
  • Fishermen reported large amounts of sea ice floating in the North Atlantic.
  • British people saw Eskimos paddling canoes off the coast of England.
  • Alpine (mountain) glaciers grew larger.
  • Winters were longer and growing seasons shorter according to tree ring data and records of cherry tree flowering.
  • Wet weather caused disease that affected people, animals and crops including the plague. The plague is also called the Black Death. It was a disease that killed more than a third of Europeans.
  • Because farmers couldn’t grow food, people went hungry in areas of northern and Eastern Europe. Unlike today, there was no way to transport food from far away.
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Dude...what? :confused:

The active sunspot cycle is every 11 years;



The Sun probably does play a role in temps on Earth, you're right, but that is not the only variable to consider, that's the problem, it's a bunch of different things all contributing to the same problem.

Climate change is exactly what it does, changes the climate, it's not only about the warming of the planet, that's why we no longer use "Global Warming" - not because "oh they were wrong about it warming", it actually has gotten warmer on a lot of different parts of the Earth, but because the term is misleading. Climate change is a better way to say exactly what you mean, the climate fluctuates, warmer in some parts, cooler in others.
 
jeff f

jeff f

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PadawanBater said:
The Sun probably does play a role in temps on Earth, you're right, but that is not the only variable to consider, that's the problem, it's a bunch of different things all contributing to the same problem.

Climate change is exactly what it does, changes the climate, it's not only about the warming of the planet, that's why we no longer use "Global Warming" - not because "oh they were wrong about it warming", it actually has gotten warmer on a lot of different parts of the Earth, but because the term is misleading. Climate change is a better way to say exactly what you mean, the climate fluctuates, warmer in some parts, cooler in others.
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get the fuck outta here...the sun "probably" has something to do with it? is that why when i wake up its cold then when the sun comes up its hot? :lol::lol:

so if the climate has ALWAYS gone back and forth, what will putting a huge tax on energy do to stop this "phenomena". stay with us here pad, youre almost there...
 
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