Why do people grow their plants so small?

[nowstopwhining]

I bred horses for 20 years in my previous life, and it is a luck of the draw fror sure, but technically, the probability for reduced vigor from a narrowing of the genetic diversity through the process of seeking the most favourable traits will increase over time. But this process of taking clones is not really similar...it just had me thinking when I saw that comment that clones maybe even be more healthy than from seed.....interesting discussion for sure!

My grandparents breed horses, mostly arabians. I like horses

 

[tahoe58]

yes they are very cool....I really enjoyed that chapter of my life...many many many great memories and experiences.

 

[closet.cult]

I would have to disagree with you 100%
Age of the plant has nothing to do with THC content. Not at all. In fact, the few larger buds your plant produces are more than likely going to be of HIGHER quality than a larger plant with many more bud sites, some of which will be shaded and not get good light penetration. (if you are using artificial lighting).

The reason I grow MORE smaller plants under artificial light is simple. Greater yield for the time spent. Quicker finished product.

Think about it. If I take 50 clones, veg them for 7 days, then flower them for 60, and yield 2lbs under 1200watts. I have pulled 2lbs off in 67 days.

Take the same strain 10 clones, veg them for 2 months, then flower them for 60 days and yield 2lbs under 1200watts.

You get the same 2lbs with 10 clones grown big, but you took 120 days to produce it!! You can have the same weight and possibly BETTER quality in HALF the time.

No to mention, you are MUCH more likely to pull 2 lbs from 1200watts with 50 plants than you are with 10. Let's face it, you can make much better use of every watt of light with more plants than you can with 10.

We also end up using much less effort. We take less time, less work to train plants etc to use up all available light and in the end, I only end up chopping up 50 BIG colas instead of thousands of tiny buds.

You can definatley argue the points I have made, but it is simply my 2 cents.

we are not in disagreement. you have misunderstood me. a clone is the same age/maturity of the mother, which is not in question here.

what is important is to veg a SEEDLING for at least 8 weeks, before you either flower it or clone it. otherwise it will not be old enough to match THC production (or %) of a mature plant.

 

[closet.cult]

this is an interesting statement - from a strict biological and physical structure perspective, scientifically, this brings question into my mind. However, I am not an overly experienced experimental botanist. My experience is with animals. Copying and duplicating genetic material has an inherent increase in probability of mutation, and generally will result is a reduced vigor of the outcome, and in my experience an increased susceptibility to disease and injury, essentially manifested as an increase in immune deficiency. This is based upon the principle of hybrid vigor and the benefits of genetic diversity. But like I have said, I have no experience with clnoing plants - I am putting these thoughts forward based only upon generally accepted scientific theory (and in my case direct practice in animals)

i believe i read that a clone is identical to the mother plant and therefore there is no change. but a clone of a clone of a clone may result in a weak plant. i have no experience in animal cloning (i'm not talking about animal breeding, but cloning). is it the same?

 

[tahoe58]

no I understand....I was looking at it more from a conceptual perspective that you are nartrowing the genetic diversity over time - but as I acknoweldged earlier, it doesn't really apply here. I was mistaken in my thinking.

i believe i read that a clone is identical to the mother plant and therefore there is no change. but a clone of a clone of a clone may result in a weak plant. i have no experience in animal cloning (i'm not talking about animal breeding, but cloning). is it the same?

 

[tahoe58]

and I'm not actually talking about cloning animals, I am again looking from the genetic perspective of taking mom, and have son produce daughter that get bred back to son etc. Again this is all my mind looking at the genetic diversity and the pursuit of highly specific and individual traits. Again, not really applicable here, I was just musing out loud.

i believe i read that a clone is identical to the mother plant and therefore there is no change. but a clone of a clone of a clone may result in a weak plant. i have no experience in animal cloning (i'm not talking about animal breeding, but cloning). is it the same?

 

[dankie]

Plus I also thought that if I am going to do this all legally then all those clone stems would be considered individual plants whereas I can have dozens on a big plant so legality plays a part in it all for me.

So much to take into consideration.

They would not be considered a second plant until they are off the mother.

 

[iblazethatkush]

we are not in disagreement. you have misunderstood me. a clone is the same age/maturity of the mother, which is not in question here.

what is important is to veg a SEEDLING for at least 8 weeks, before you either flower it or clone it. otherwise it will not be old enough to match THC production (or %) of a mature plant.

Do you have a link or something to prove this? I'm not saying your wrong, I just have never heard this and it goes against what I was taught. You may be right tho, I would like to read up on it. The vast majority of indoor growers do not veg for 8 wks...I don't think I could my plants would be 2-3 ft. tall.

 

[Lacy]

That is what I meant. If I can have say 8 plants growing at once legally and I decide to cut branches or stems to make individual cloned stem plants then i will have a lot of plants. Too many. I guess there can be more things to worry about. I would like to try it one day but I am not even set up for my regular plants yet.

They would not be considered a second plant until they are off the mother.

 

[AmStaffnsharpei]

let go of the war....you lost and we saved you....

 

[nowstopwhining]

let go of the war....you lost and we saved you....

huh????

 

[AmStaffnsharpei]

nowstopwhining

 

[nowstopwhining]

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[nowstopwhining]

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[natmoon]

One of the reasons that i have switched to straight into 12/12 is that i only have one room and this then allows me to constantly have plants ready to go and also enables me to get many plants seeded and crossbred over the period of one year.

I can create a new hybrid every few weeks.
I also only have 4 foot of space between my light and the table so i need them short and fat.

Having said this is am going to try to grow a bigger plant after xmas and i am going to veg for 4 weeks as i am going to fim the plant,it will be short but fat and with many stems.

I don't know about other people but i get a lot more than a quarter from my small grow space.
I would estimate that even with short fat plants my area can kick out up to 450grams per square metre every 12-14 weeks.

My matanuska hybrid had no veg time at all and looks like its going to be a good smoke but it will like you said only be about 1 or 2 oz when its dry.
I am happy as i can manage my smoke and yield enough for 2 heavy tokers from this small space like a factory line and as i harvest old plants new ones are budding.

I can only wish for a space large enough to grow some really big plants in

 

[Lacy]

Thanks for the elaborate explanation. I am considering getting a light that switches from MH to hps. Its a 400 watt system and there is one on ebay right now that I am considering.

Your system sounds well thoguht out but considering it is coming from you, I know it would be.

Thats totally awesome that you dabble in genetics. I would like to do that someday. It sounds most interesting. Theres a guy a know who creates his own clematis strains and gets to put his name to them. Now thats knowing your stuff. I have a long way to go.

I sometimes widh my hubby smoked by he's great just the way he is.

One of the reasons that i have switched to straight into 12/12 is that i only have one room and this then allows me to constantly have plants ready to go and also enables me to get many plants seeded and crossbred over the period of one year.

I can create a new hybrid every few weeks.
I also only have 4 foot of space between my light and the table so i need them short and fat.

Having said this is am going to try to grow a bigger plant after xmas and i am going to veg for 4 weeks as i am going to fim the plant,it will be short but fat and with many stems.

I don't know about other people but i get a lot more than a quarter from my small grow space.
I would estimate that even with short fat plants my area can kick out up to 450grams per square metre every 12-14 weeks.

My matanuska hybrid had no veg time at all and looks like its going to be a good smoke but it will like you said only be about 1 or 2 oz when its dry.
I am happy as i can manage my smoke and yield enough for 2 heavy tokers from this small space like a factory line and as i harvest old plants new ones are budding.

I can only wish for a space large enough to grow some really big plants in

 

[Lacy]

wtf??? like hello!!!

let go of the war....you lost and we saved you....

 

[nowstopwhining]

wtf??? like hello!!!

Yeah then he went on to tell me to stop whining.....hahahahaha

 

[Lacy]

No kidding...

huh????

 

[Lacy]

Obviously some people here do WAY more than smoke dope.
Kidsss

Yeah then he went on to tell me to stop whining.....hahahahaha