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[Wretched420]

linked over her form toms page thought id share..
with a 250 i dunno it depends im usually pulling close to a 1oz a plant with most strains. usually running 4 plants at a time scrog. 0.4 - 0.6 gram per watt would be my estimate from my experience just my guess.. i would get more feedback from more 250w users for an accurate estimate..ask some in the 250w club https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/128751-250w-hps-club-help-guide.html#post1587652

 

[GypsyBush]

Thanks you!

I knew there was a 400 club... but I didn't know about the 250...

I appreciate the link...

 

[Shackleford.R]

daddy like that 250 and that cooltube... that would fit PERFECT in the AG cab... only concern now is properly cooling the thing. not a LOT of room for ducting would inline fans on either end be enough?? keep in mind i have an exhaust fan in the top of the cab that does a pretty damn good job. drops the temp by about 7-9 degrees on the average

 

[purpdaddy]

daddy like that 250 and that cooltube... that would fit PERFECT in the AG cab... only concern now is properly cooling the thing. not a LOT of room for ducting would inline fans on either end be enough?? keep in mind i have an exhaust fan in the top of the cab that does a pretty damn good job. drops the temp by about 7-9 degrees on the average

man you can buy a real cooltube like i got or make one out of a Pyrex Bake-Round and a fan...with a lil supplies from home depot or lowes.
They got DIY cooltiebd in the DIY section of the faq

 

[GypsyBush]

Figured id come to a pro for a little advice.

Me? a pro?

Hardly.. but thank you for the thought!!!

Not completely clueless but the more i read and learn the more i question haha,

Good.. I'm liking your style already..

but isnt that how it always goes?

Only for the ones that do not stop questioning...

The "sheeple" are quite content in no knowing anything...

I started my first grow last week in DWC, but after seeing everyones ops here and due to the economy im looking to expand my op.

So let me hear this from you...

Are you wanting to

A- set up an efficient op..?

Or

B- are you gonna try to re-invent the wheel?

Most people answer answer A real fast, but then take on B...

Id like to start a perpetual

So far I like it...

hempy (sog i assume) grow

Now you confused me...

I know nothing of hempies... but people grow in the all the time... that's a hand water hydro type thing eh?!?!?!

As for SOG... I can help you with that one...

But I would really really recommend doing it ebb flow...

Just cause that is what I know... and what Al B Fuct's SOG recipe calls for..

Remember me saying all the time.. "do what he does and get what he gets..."

and idealistically have around 1 oz per week.

That's a fair goal...

Id like to get a homebox L ( http://www.buy-the-homebox.com/shop/product_family_homebox_l.html ) or tent of similar size,

I'd make one myself...

But I have heard real good things about the GROWLAB tents..

I'll see if I can find one...

Ideally, if this was my plan... I would make sure whatever I get would fit a 3x3 botanicare tray inside...

but wouldn't want to go much (if any larger) than that.

I still say big enough for the 3x3 tray... I'll measure mine in a minute... they are not exact 3x3...

I was thinking of putting a 400watt hps in there.

My plan calls for a 600 ... I like HTG's digis... I have 2 of them...

Would this be a realistic goal to achieve?

If you come up with a set plan and stick to it... sure.. you can do it...

If so about how many plants would i need?

Well...

If you want to do SOG like I did...

We could go with a 600 HPS over a 3x3 tray with 48 lollipops...

7 rows of 7 5.5 inch square pots... minus one for the fittings...

You could harvest ...

48 every two months..

or 24 every month...

or 12 every 2 weeks...

or 6 every week...

or even one a day if you take sundays off...

A 600 is capable of producing up to 1 oz clones..

But you won't get that right away...

If you go 6 a week, I bet you'll getyour zip a week to start... and only get better...

and about how often would i need to clip clones?

Depends on your schedule...

If you are on a two week rotation, you will need 12 strong, rooted clones every 14 days...

If you go weekly, you will need 6..

You can see how that goes...

and what size pots would you recommend?

I use 5.5" square pots... packed tight...

ahh soo many questions

The only one that made me uncomfort=able was the hempy thing...

You wanna do a SOG? I say go with the standard... ebb/flow...

Thanks alot for the help!

No problem... I hope it helps...

I can only say for sure about one method..

Al B. Fuct's Ebb/Flow Single Cola SOG...

that is my recipe..

 

[GypsyBush]

daddy like that 250 and that cooltube...

Glad you like it...

If you do this cab thing right, you will not need to upgrade equipment until you decide to become a drug dealer... (I'm trying to say forever here )

that would fit PERFECT in the AG cab...

That is what I thought too

only concern now is properly cooling the thing.

We can do it... might take a little money at first... but well worth the investment...

not a LOT of room for ducting

no need for a lot of ducting...

would inline fans on either end be enough??

Only if you want to buy them and then upgrade them...

keep in mind i have an exhaust fan in the top of the cab that does a pretty damn good job. drops the temp by about 7-9 degrees on the average

OK so...

The way I see it...

You can hang the cool tube in your cab right? I mean.. it will fit in there right?


OK.. so we drill a hole on the side of the cab, par with the cooltube...

You get to choose left or right depending on your location... but the loose end of the bulb goes downstream...

so we would run a duct from the cooltube... through the cab... onto that 4" fan I showed you... that sits on top of that 4" filter I showed you...

So yeah.. it will not ALL fit in the cab... but you must agree you got a pretty small cab...

It can work Shack...

there will be zero smell... and you can cover the fan/filter with a box or even another cab...(to disguise it visually and noise wise)

A bigger, self contained cab might be better...

but no biggie...

if you have all the right parts, you can switch to a bigger cab anytime...

But if you buy wimpy in line fans and other things that BARELY work now...

If you do anything it's more money...

Remember my tent... EVERYTHING from that tent is in use today...

250 digi w/cooltube

and the $120 4" fan/filter combo...


LIGHT>>>FAN>>> filter>>> room....

Not the best way, but your space is small, it will work...

\http://htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=54182

http://htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=52531

I'm not sure if it's possible, but I think I'm getting more excited than you here!!!

I can't wait... you build things nicely...

This will be a project for generations of RIU newbs to look up to and follow...

man you can buy a real cooltube like i got or make one out of a Pyrex Bake-Round and a fan...with a lil supplies from home depot or lowes.
They got DIY cooltiebd in the DIY section of the faq

I was afraid someone might say that..

Even I recommended it to people earlier on...

The Bake a round bread cool tubes work... and are better than no-thing at all , I guess...

But the glass is too thick...

The optical properties of that tube were completely ignored as it's suppsed to go in the oven...

I mean they work... but they also block a lot more light than the real cool tube. made specifically to let the light go ...

ANY glass will block some light, but some more and some less... and another huge enemy of glass is dust...

Gotta keep it clean... can't be a slob with glass and expect 100% results...

EVERYTHING has its pros and cons...

But a 250 in a cab with 2 LST'd plants would kick ass...

Harvest every month..

...

And Shack...

I like ebb/flow...

ebb/flow is user friendly..

The plants are in pots... you can move them to the bathtub and clean everything super nice ...

You can use the pump in the res with a separate hose and pump it all down the drain or onto your garden outside...

You've seen this right?

How do I make an ebb & flow
hydroponic system?





The goal: To demonstrate the construction of an Ebb & Flow hydroponic system.

The system being constructed is small, however the design is the same as larger systems.

Parts list...

• Restaurant bus tub, 15 1/2" x 20 1/2" x 4 1/2", flood tray.
  
• Restaurant bus tub, 15 1/2" x 20 1/2" x 7", reservoir.
  
• Reservoir lid, 15 3/4" x 22".
  
• Overflow fitting.
  
• Fill/drain fitting.
  
• Water pump, 70 gph.
  
• Tubing, 1/2" ID.
  
• Aquarium air pump.
  
• Air stones.
  
• Green air line.
  
  Notice, in the pictures above, the one inch holes, in the flood tray for the overflow, and fill/drain fittings, also, the two inch holes in the lid, for the fittings to pass through.
  
  
  

  
  
  A view of the plumbed flood tray with lid. See how it fits over the fittings.​
  
  

  
  
  This is a view of the reservoir with lid, and plumbed flood tray.
  
  

  
  
  Here, it's all assembled. The water and air pumps are not shown. The power cord, and air lines fit between, the reservoir and lid. A small notch may need to be added, to avoid pinching the air lines, and to help the flood tray sit level.
  
  
  

  
  
  Assembled with six 5 1/2" square pots. Notice the easy access to both fittings. The fill/drain fitting has a connector for a 1/2" hose, under the screen. Remove the screen, connect the hose, turn the pump on, and pump out the nutrient solution. Makes reservoir change outs very easy.
  
  
  

  
  
  Another view of the system.
  
  

  
  
  Note: Choosing a container...
  
  Not all containers are made equal. Some are very sturdy, while others are not. Using a weak container will only lead to failure and a flood. Choose heavy duty containers. Also, some containers will need a center support to keep them level under the weight of the nutrient solution.
  
  Note: About sizes...
  
  The reservoir should be large enough, to hold two, to three times the volume of the flood tray or table. The pump should be sized to flood the tray in 5 min. or less.

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[purpdaddy]

Hey gypsy...i am starting to get new supplies for my next grow...I got the tent in the pic.been haviong it but needed to do sum venting before i use it so i just been using the frame to hang my light.
Do you think that this is enough cfm for this tent with ducting?
The tent is 5"x3"x3"

 

[GypsyBush]

Hey gypsy...i am starting to get new supplies for my next grow...I got the tent in the pic.been haviong it but needed to do sum venting before i use it so i just been using the frame to hang my light.
Do you think that this is enough cfm for this tent with ducting?
The tent is 5"x3"x3"

If that fan was actually able to HOLD 140 cfm it would be fine...

But the thing is...

These in duct boosters.. are just that ... a booster to be used in a long duct...

I see it's rated 160CFM.. but in all reality 160 (actually 250 for that fan) is the highest CFM that WILL PASS THROUGH IT WITHOUT RESTRICTION....

if you add ANY resistance.. and believe me the walls of the ducting is plenty...

these fans just do not have any guts...

they loose airflow very easily...

Centrifugal fans on the other hand have way more umph! and hld CFM much much better.. as do the squirrel cage fans...

I see no use for a fan like that other than in a toy op.. or a clone room...

But to cool a tent like that with a 400w... you'ree gonna need the same thing I recommended to Shack MINIMUM...

A tent like that, I would OVER-Vent and get the cool tube RIGHT IN THE BUDS......


Maybe even run it vertical, with plants all around it...

And get the colas to be 4" from the light...

 

[GypsyBush]

Here's what you need Purp...

This will do you good... the smaller set up may get you by... but you're gonna upgrade eventually...

Buy the last shit you are ever gonna need once, the first time...

That should be the rule with budget grows... not cfls and cardboard boxes..

http://htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=52609

 

[GypsyBush]

Nee some of this too...

 

[purpdaddy]

So would you recommend a can fan or sumthin like that?
cause man i really need to use that damn tent my next grow cause i paid MONEY for it ..I might even have to put a small window unit in there..matter of fact i will..

 

[purpdaddy]

thanx gypsy..i can get that ducting at home depot...Think just one of those fans will work?

 

[GypsyBush]

Also worth sharing is the venerable STANLEY BLOWER.. usualy $50 at HD..

But theses fuckers are LOUD... this thing ain't got big enough letters to describe how LOUD they are..

but they work...

 

[GypsyBush]

So would you recommend a can fan or sumthin like that?
cause man i really need to use that damn tent my next grow cause i paid MONEY for it ..I might even have to put a small window unit in there..matter of fact i will..

WOW!

AC?!?!?!

Really ...???

Do you really need it????

What is the temperature of the room where the tent will be in?

thanx gypsy..i can get that ducting at home depot...Think just one of those fans will work?

Yup! no problem.. you can get ducting anywhere...

Solid ducting is the least convenient, but the most efficient...

Well purp...

The RIGHT way to vent a close space with aircooled lights as this drawing by Al B. Fuct shows...

So I would recommend a 4" fan dedicated to the lights... fresh air in ... hot air out... never mixing with the op's air...




then.. for exhaust and odor control... you have the 6" fan with the appropriate sized carbon filter and a speed controller...







Ideally the light's fan would come on 5 minutes before lights on, and shut off 5 minutes after lights off... but I run mine on the same timer...


And the exhaust should be on a thermostat...



By late flowering or during drying, you may want to leave the exhaust fan on all the time for odor control...




I run all my lights and the light's fan one one of these...


With it I can control up to 8x 1K lights with just a regular timer...


It's a 50 amp relay box (plugs into the range outlet)... they make a 30 amp one too(plugs into the dryer outlet)...

​

But I'm not trying to say you need one...

I'm just showing you what I use for my 4 lights... and the fan at the same time...

 

[GypsyBush]

no need for an intake fan on a tent like yours.. passive is perfect ...

 

[GypsyBush]

man.... the weather must be changing here..

my leg hurts like a mofo...

I can't wait to get the rest of this shit off of my leg...

The doc is going to remove that last thirty something screws and plates this fall...

 

[purpdaddy]

thanx gypsy you are so helpful!

 

[GypsyBush]

Ha!

I get it...

Only took me a week...

Some one called me a super stoner... and I thought it was odd...

But now I look and see the title by my name has changed...

Super Stoner...

Weeeuuuhhhh! that one went way over my head...

 

[Heads Up]

No disrespect. I was just looking at your tree thread. How can a person post there and say no disrespect intended? How many times do you need to ask people not to post there? No disrespect intended...sorry, that don't cut the mustard, it was disrespectful, period. No excuses for that stuff.

On to a lighter note, like the ones I just listend and watched Santana provide, thanks to your link. It reminded me as to how great those days truly were. Looking at the people in the audience I could almost see myself at the Atlantic City Pop Festival in 69', before Woodstock happened. It brought back ALL the feelings of what it was like to be alive and a teenager at that time. Thanks

http://www.e-rockworld.com/AtlanticCity.htm


Edit. I apologize, I just read further.

 

[GypsyBush]

Like a true Nature's child, we were born, born to be wild
Steppenwolf