Oh Goodie! ... More on 911 (inside job) :)

[NoDrama]

Olosto...READ THIS link 100 times so that you can understand where he is coming from. http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM

Thats the science behind the FACT that there was THERMITE found in ALL the test samples. How the FUCK did the thermite get there? Can it be explained by anyone? How come 4 different sources all came to the same conclusion..THERMITE was found in all the samples. How? NIST did not even look for explosives when they did their goverment sponsored investigation, how can this be?

Now read this link also. http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/thermitics_made_simple.html

I got about 20 more links like that all from different sources that found FUCKING THERMITE in the ashes of the buildings.

And then what do you make of news reports that are reporting the collapse of building #7 2 0 minutes before it happened? Not just 1 major news source, but 2? any idea how these reporters were able to see into the future? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s

 

[olosto]

Easy.. the materials for thermite were readily available and could have in trace amount ignited. Hell the plane consisted of 2 major ingredients, alum and heat. The building girders had rust. There is your thermite....

 

[what... huh?]

So... am I to take it that you both decline to answer the yes or no question?

Or are you sticking with the "The folds in that picture aren't folds... a wisp of cloud perhaps." theory?

 

[GrowRebel]

And wait he was talking to you and saying this, BUAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Why did he keep pointing at your avatar? He would like to know if you would let him do an anal probe .... he said never mind ... he'll just do it while you are asleep.

Easy.. the materials for thermite were readily available and could have in trace amount ignited.

Available from where? Link source? ... you must be out your mind if you think we are stupid enough to accept you on your no credibility word ... because we won't ...

Hell the plane consisted of 2 major ingredients, alum and heat. The building girders had rust. There is your thermite....

See folks another stupid no link source backed comment ... we are expected to take him at his word ... not.

If it was thermite that did it in would the pools be of iron and not steel????

Being stupid again ... so I won't even bother.

Easy.. the materials for thermite were readily available and could have in trace amount ignited. Hell the plane consisted of 2 major ingredients, alum and heat. The building girders had rust. There is your thermite....

Source? Link? ... I thought so ... you have none ... we simply must accept what you say as fact ... too bad that's not going to happen ... come back when you have some credible source to back your bullshit. ... in the mean time this will be another bushwhacker blowing it out his ass post. Nuff said.

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

I love in that interview with PM how the interviewer asks rhetorical questions to which PM does not respond(nor should they) and the interviewer makes it look like PM is dumbfounded.

Pretty sad.

 

[olosto]

Yea, it is pretty sad. Now Growrebel wants to argue that planes are not made out of aluminum.. Fuck, the airline builders were in on it too!!

 

[olosto]

Why did he keep pointing at your avatar? He would like to know if you would let him do an anal probe .... he said never mind ... he'll just do it while you are asleep.



Available from where? Link source? ... you must be out your mind if you think we are stupid enough to accept you on your no credibility word ... because we won't ...


See folks another stupid no link source backed comment ... we are expected to take him at his word ... not.


Being stupid again ... so I won't even bother.


Source? Link? ... I thought so ... you have none ... we simply must accept what you say as fact ... too bad that's not going to happen ... come back when you have some credible source to back your bullshit. ... in the mean time this will be another bushwhacker blowing it out his ass post. Nuff said.

Then prove me wrong. Prove that there was not rust n the girders. Prove to me that the planes that hit were not made out of aluminum. Prove to me that there was no fire that could have ignited the alum and rust to produce thermite, in trace amounts like what was found.




And you still have not answered why the pools of metal were steel and not iron...

 

[GrowRebel]

Then prove me wrong.

Already have ... and more than once ... next.

 

[GrowRebel]

I love in that interview with PM how the interviewer asks rhetorical questions to which PM does not respond(nor should they) and the interviewer makes it look like PM is dumbfounded.

Pretty sad.

What part of how they knew they had the DNA of the hijackers is not a rhetorical question ... PM has been thoroughly debunked ... and yeah ... those that believe PM bullshit are pretty sad. Next.

 

[olosto]

Already have ... and more than once ... next.

Really?

Just answer the questions if science is on your side.

 

[NoDrama]

Hey olosto, the aluminum and rust need to be very well mixed, so unless the rust and aluminum were vaporized, then reconstructed back together again, then yes I guess you could say it was thermite being made. unfortunately we live in the real world where those things do not happen and there goes your little theory that could not even stand up to kindergarten logic. Sorry no aluminum plane mixed with rust from the girders, the girders are sprayed with a heat barrier anyway so there would not be any rust anyway. I can probably come up with 10 different explanations that blow your airplane and rust mixed together then ignited as thermite theory right out of the forum. Your gonna have to come up with some science here son, not fairy tales.

Oh and the pools of metal are just that, pools of metal, I don't think anyone distinguished whether it was steel or iron, not much difference anyway composition wise since steel IS iron along with carbon.

 

[olosto]

So there could not have been vaporization of bothin a close proximity say like when the jet slammed into the girders? You sure about that? Im sure a shit load of stuff vaporized, and I'll site my previous arguement of impact friction, as in the plane hit so fucking hard lots of shit was vaporized in an instant. This happens with smaller explosives why do you not think it could happen with an entire jet, imparting huge forces on a mostly stationary object?

 

[olosto]

Hey olosto, the aluminum and rust need to be very well mixed, so unless the rust and aluminum were vaporized, then reconstructed back together again, then yes I guess you could say it was thermite being made. unfortunately we live in the real world where those things do not happen and there goes your little theory that could not even stand up to kindergarten logic. Sorry no aluminum plane mixed with rust from the girders, the girders are sprayed with a heat barrier anyway so there would not be any rust anyway. I can probably come up with 10 different explanations that blow your airplane and rust mixed together then ignited as thermite theory right out of the forum. Your gonna have to come up with some science here son, not fairy tales.

Oh and the pools of metal are just that, pools of metal, I don't think anyone distinguished whether it was steel or iron, not much difference anyway composition wise since steel IS iron along with carbon.

Im just using your own logic against you, you cannot prove it didn't happen... Also traces of thermite dust were found you said not piles of thermite dust. Trace amounts that can be logically explained given the fires..

 

[NoDrama]

Heres Proof it didn't happen..........

theres an engine that didn't vaporize, lets see if there is anything else

Oh shit thats a whole bunch of parts that didn't vaporize, doesn't look like it melted from the huge amount of friction either

WOW thats parts of the fuselage there, pretty much blows your theory and proves it wrong. i can go on since you like to be proven wrong so much.

Holy Shit, rubber vaporizes at a much lower temp than aluminum, but yet this survived almost wholly intact, nope nothing vaporized there.

Oh damn a whole container full, doesn't look like anything turned to vapor there, must not have happened.

I got 50 more pics, each one proves you wrong.

Of course they did not find any piles of thermite, the buildings blew the fuck up, do you not have any grasp of physics at all Olosto? How would you find a specific pile of anything?

Your not using my own logic against me, your just not using any logic at all, your theories are scientifically unsound and wholly irrational.

 

[mexiblunt]

I like to check in here once and while. Very entertaining. Keep up the good work Grow Rebel! NoDrama, nice pics.
Now I think I'm going to ignor olosto because it seems he hasn't produced any source or fact for his arguments and while I commend GrowRebel for giving everyone a fair shake I feel it's a waste of my own time hitting this thread and makes me think that's all his intentions are.
If I was so sure on the official story and was willing to come here and disscus with GROWREBEL I sure as fuck would have some links/sources etc.
Peace all!!!!

 

[what... huh?]

I answered the question ... fire can't melt steel ... case close.

That was not my question senior strawman. Were it my question that would be a stupid answer. I am not sure how you think steel is made or molded, but it involves fire. The question you seem to be attempting to answer, is will a "normal" fire "melt" steel. One of the things I am trying to demonstrate is that very flaw in logic. To melt, means to change states from solid to liquid. I am not asking if "normal" fire "melts" steel. I am asking if "normal" fire will weaken steel to the point where it bends and folds under oppressive weight.

I am not even asking that actually... I have clearly demonstrated that. What I am asking is if you are capable of admitting that fact, or do you have another reasonable explanation for the weakening and buckling of those beams in that bridge which happened to coincide with the "normal" fire underneath it?

Again... I bolded my question, I don't know why you would change it... my question was...

So you accept that the bridges structural steel beams were weakened by the truck fire, which then stressed and buckled under the load of the bridge?

If your answer is no, then can you provide another feasible explanation for the very clearly weakened and folded i-beams in that photo resulting from a single vehicle accident?



No Drama...

3 pages ago you were insisting that a janitor, and others HEARD explosions which to you seemed to be a significant indication that explosives were used. NOW it is thermite. Show me large demo.... phuck it... show me SMALL controlled demo with thermite. Operative word there being "controlled".

Being a pilot... again... you do NOT correct your friend on HIS erroneous information... and IMPLY that he is STILL correct in trying to correct ME on pilot deviation without addressing the FACTS which I have lain out... facts that, if you are a pilot, you either know to be true or can find out with a phone call if you are just a weekend joy rider.

You are intellectually dishonest. I seek the truth in my debates unless devils advocacy is noted. You seek to make yourself right by ignoring facts, and withholding information that you find damaging to your case. I believe in full disclosure. You don't have to... but I will call it when I see it.

So, you agree then, by your current line of argument, that thermite is all that could have been used, otherwise we would have all born witness to detonation... yes?


So make up your mind how you think it was done, and I will argue it...

because C4 don't burn... but it goes boom pretty good...
and thermite burns.

Awaiting your reply.

 

[what... huh?]

Lastly... as to your entire line of pictures of airplane parts evidence (which btw grow rebel insists were planted)...

If I found un-scorched building debris on the street with those plane parts, would that mean that the building didn't burn?

It is known as a logical non-sequiter.



*edit... and WHAT FKUCKING FIREMAN ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

I mean... I can't fix hallucinating. There is an image of bent, buckled, pancaked steel i-beam (1 of 6... 5 obscured from angle) from a single vehicle accident.


I mean... lemme get out the fat crayons...

Look STRAIGHT UP from the front guy on the left's head until you find pancaked beam.



C'mon... FFS... I put a little box around it and everything.

 

[mexiblunt]

I know bone is alot different than steel but I've broken a few in my day and they all make a explosive cracking sound when they break no explosives needed. I would suspect and I'm just throwing this out there that if thermite cut the beams (some of the pics show at a 45 degree angle) there would be some type of stress related noise.

 

[what... huh?]

Here is the thing... if you both continue to be hypocritical and illogical, it is fruitless to engage you. If you refuse to accept contradictory evidence despite it's blatant and obvious existence... you are heretics.

You are like a man standing in a stream trying to keep his feet dry with a broom.

You are furious, and devoted. You are dedicated and pugnacious. You are arrogant. You are also quite mad.


Keep sweeping. It seems to make you happy. Until I am addressed rationally... I will not continue.

 

[what... huh?]

I know bone is alot different than steel but I've broken a few in my day and they all make a explosive cracking sound when they break no explosives needed. I would suspect and I'm just throwing this out there that if thermite cut the beams (some of the pics show at a 45 degree angle) there would be some type of stress related noise.

But of course 30 stories collapsing on one wouldn't.


According to the Tweedledee's, there were explosions before the planes hit. They just can't seem to make it all work without combining high improbabilities.