Oh Goodie! ... More on 911 (inside job) :)

[GrowRebel]

So Popular Mechanics were in on it to lol

Who's claiming that? Seems the best you nay sayer can come up with is ridicule ... not surprising since you haven't a leg ... or arms ...to stand on.

 

[olosto]

Groe Rebel - Why do you need to be an asshole when bryant was very polite coming here and saying what he did. He was very courtious to you and you attacked him personally several times. I think you have too much emotionally vested in this to hear ANY arguements with a clear unbiased mind. The fact that you need to continually attack people shows how weak your position is. You have not won a single point of contention here and I understand that you are frustrated. Walk away from this, you are losing more credibility and believeability with every post. Good luck!

 

[what... huh?]

So... you feel you are incapable of answering that simple yes or no question?


Seems pretty straight forward to me. As I said... I will address ANY concern of yours, once we establish some common ground. Answer my very simple question, and I will answer ANY question you can muster. One at a time.

 

[GrowRebel]

Groe Rebel - Why do you need to be an asshole when bryant was very polite coming here and saying what he did.

I wasn't being an asshole that's just your bushwhacked interpretation ... nothing more.

He was very courtious to you and you attacked him personally several times.

When did I do that?

I think you have too much emotionally vested in this to hear ANY arguements with a clear unbiased mind.

No ... I've seen and heard far too much evidence that your kind can't dismiss ... it is you that needs the clear unbiased mind.

The fact that you need to continually attack people shows how weak your position is.

Says the bushwhacked that can do little to refute the evidence other than make ridiculous statements with no backing or posting info that has no bearing ... my position is only weak for people like you that haven't a factual leg to stand on.

You have not won a single point of contention here and I understand that you are frustrated.

Only according to you ... and we already know how fucked in the head you are. And no I'm not frustrated ... this is great ... I love making you guys look stupid ... it's a marvelous past time.

Walk away from this, you are losing more credibility and believeability with every post. Good luck!

I got a much better idea ... do like your wifey told you ... you never had credibility in this thread ... and you never will ... so if you know what's good for you ... I suggest you walk away ... because this issue and topic isn't going away no matter how many stupid comments you make.

 

[GrowRebel]

So... you feel you are incapable of answering that simple yes or no question?


Seems pretty straight forward to me. As I said... I will address ANY concern of yours, once we establish some common ground. Answer my very simple question, and I will answer ANY question you can muster. One at a time.

I answered the question ... fire can't melt steel ... case close.

 

[olosto]

Have you ever seen a building demo with pools of steel at the bottom that stayed hot for weeks?

Caller: The building was incinerated; the concrete was turned into powder, there were molten pools of steel in the bottom of the building that were still hot weeks after

I wonder what melted all that steel since steel does not melt in this kind of fire, right? Thats what you said earlier, that the steel in the building could not melt because of the fire, it was not hot enough . No, that's it! I got it now! The government set up steel foundries under the wtc buildings (1&2) so that when the buildings collapsed, bam hot molten steel for weeks.. Orrrrr Then actually shut down the WTC buildings a few weekes prior with out even the workers realizing that it was closed (that gubment mind control shit, you know they have it..), loaded them up with thousands of tons of thermite. Buttoned everything back up so no one could tell and them let them goto work.. Man that gubment......

 

[olosto]

Get real man, this shit is so bizzare even the king of conspiracy Glenn Beck doesn't believe this crap.....

 

[NoDrama]

Have you ever seen a building demo with pools of steel at the bottom that stayed hot for weeks?

Caller: The building was incinerated; the concrete was turned into powder, there were molten pools of steel in the bottom of the building that were still hot weeks after

I wonder what melted all that steel since steel does not melt in this kind of fire, right? Thats what you said earlier, that the steel in the building could not melt because of the fire, it was not hot enough . No, that's it! I got it now! The government set up steel foundries under the wtc buildings (1&2) so that when the buildings collapsed, bam hot molten steel for weeks.. Orrrrr Then actually shut down the WTC buildings a few weekes prior with out even the workers realizing that it was closed (that gubment mind control shit, you know they have it..), loaded them up with thousands of tons of thermite. Buttoned everything back up so no one could tell and them let them goto work.. Man that gubment......

the fires don't melt steel, the THERMITE melted the steel. that is one of the most troubling things found, the pools of still molten metal beneath the rubble. the NYFD had never run into that kind of heat before, certainly more heat than a burning structure could ever produce. And when you consider the fact that the molten metal was still there after the fires had been out for weeks is only more evidence that a chemical reaction must have taken place to keep that melted for so long. How would you explain that? Do you have any evidence to show that metal melts without any known heat source?


Check this out, OH and FWIW when you light thermite it does not go "Boom" it burns with high intensity but there is no explosion. it would not take thousands of tons, you only need enough to cut through the main beams near the center of the building, maybe a couple of tons needed. You do know they blow up large buildings with the least amount of explosive possible right? Generally you only need to take out the first 2 floors and a few middle floors and the top few floors to make a building implode into its own footprint, you don't need to go and blow up every floor. All demos that do this start by blowing the base of the structure first and there are videos that show the towers doing exactly that. you see large explosions happen at the base of the building first, then a bit later they start to topple.

educate yourself here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdCsbZf1_Ng&feature=related

 

[olosto]

I've actually played with thermite, have you?

So I know a little something about it. Did you not read my post when I said thousands of tons of thermite (if not for the supposed demo but nuff to leave pools of melted steel).... Walls would need to be torn open to lay the frame bare. Have you ever seen a thermite casting? Its real obvious what they are. In fact they are usually custom made for the job. There is no need for a thermite casting in WTC. It would have raised alarms not to mention the demo required to fit these castings around the steel i beams. Not to mention the piloting it would have taken to fly within a few floors of the designated target.

Educate yourself here? HAHAHAHAHA

 

[GrowRebel]

Have you ever seen a building demo with pools of steel at the bottom that stayed hot for weeks?

Caller: The building was incinerated; the concrete was turned into powder, there were molten pools of steel in the bottom of the building that were still hot weeks after

I wonder what melted all that steel since steel does not melt in this kind of fire, right?

Ah ... the thermite ... remember that?

Thats what you said earlier, that the steel in the building could not melt because of the fire, it was not hot enough .

Correct.

No, that's it! I got it now! The government set up steel foundries under the wtc buildings (1&2) so that when the buildings collapsed, bam hot molten steel for weeks..

Now you're just blowing it out your ass ... again with the ridicule when you don't have any facts to support you. Yawn ... nothing new here ...

Orrrrr Then actually shut down the WTC buildings a few weekes prior with out even the workers realizing that it was closed

Who said that? ... Making shit up again I see.

(that gubment mind control shit, you know they have it..)

Works pretty good on you. You seem to believe everything they've say on this issue ... no matter how far fetch. That's what I call excellent mind control.

, loaded them up with thousands of tons of thermite. Buttoned everything back up so no one could tell and them let them goto work.. Man that gubment......

What? ... you expected them to have it out where people could see and question it?

No Drama ... thanks for putting up that video on the effects of thermite ... anyone in their right mind can see it was used on 911. The evidence is clear. And notice no one challenged Gage's statements ... why? ... because they can't!

 

[olosto]

One more thing a demo job is comprised of two things. I think the combat engineers will help me out and agree with me here. 1. Cutting blasts to slice thru the steel and concrete beams and reinforcements. The building does not fall here. 2. A (holy shit I forgot the term) displacing charge that starts gravity working (pushes parts of the building in such a way gravity acts upon it.).

The dificulty of huge buildings is to make them come down in themselvs. If the steel melts from the inside out, the building does this on its own. As the building loses integrity from the inside out it caves in upon itself. Solving your problem of why they came down straight. Because it was the easiest way for them to fall given the height and weight. As soon as any piece failed, everything else failed right away. The fires basically cut the steel beams and as soon as there was a small collapse, everything went because there was no support structure left. (imo, but substantiated by fact, prove me wrong....)

 

[olosto]

So if large amounts of steel melted from the fire there would be pools of it as well. You cannot prove it was not hot enough. In fact i think there is plenty of evidence it did get that hot. I'll site the pools of steel. You cannot refute that using your own logic. The steel could be easily tested and probablly has been that it not of thermite orgin. Anyone that got a sample would have been able to test it and find out its orgin... Oh, ic.. The gubment again.. those bastards.. lol


Also please answer my question, have you ever worked with thermite? Do you know what a thermite casing looks like?

 

[GrowRebel]

I've actually played with thermite, have you?

So I know a little something about it.

based on your past posts I highly ... in more ways than one ... doubt that ... especially since you didn't address Gage's comments.

Did you not read my post when I said thousands of tons of thermite (if not for the supposed demo but nuff to leave pools of melted steel).... Walls would need to be torn open to lay the frame bare.

We won't know any of that for sure until we have a real investigation now will we ...

Have you ever seen a thermite casting? Its real obvious what they are. In fact they are usually custom made for the job. There is no need for a thermite casting in WTC. It would have raised alarms not to mention the demo required to fit these castings around the steel i beams. Not to mention the piloting it would have taken to fly within a few floors of the designated target.

Educate yourself here? HAHAHAHAHA

Tell us something... what part of traces of thermite were found in the molten steel and dust around the area don't you get? What is so hard about that fact that you can't seem to comprehend?

Bwaa ha ha ha ha ... bwaa ha ha ha ... who need to edumacate themselves here?

 

[olosto]

DUCK!!!! THERE IS AN ALIEN BEHIND YOU!!!!



lol, had ya fooled!!!

 

[olosto]

based on your past posts I highly ... in more ways than one ... doubt that ... especially since you didn't address Gage's comments.

Really? What past posts are you refering to that you would know anything about me? Gage's comments? I didn't waste my time...

We won't know any of that for sure until we have a real investigation now will we ...

Sure we will, to form pools of steel that are not from the melted steel from within the building, would require thousands of tons of thermite, period.

Tell us something... what part of traces of thermite were found in the molten steel and dust around the area don't you get? What is so hard about that fact that you can't seem to comprehend?

you would need a hell of alot more than traces, were talking thousands of tons of thermite. Also ever seen a thermite reacting? Big noxious clould of shit. Its brighter than fuck and smokey as hell. Didn't see that in the WTC footage...
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Bwaa ha ha ha ha ... bwaa ha ha ha ... who need to edumacate themselves here?
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Bam! You've been educated!

 

[GrowRebel]

So if large amounts of steel melted from the fire there would be pools of it as well. You cannot prove it was not hot enough.

Sure we can ... fires only get between 1400-1600 degrees ... established scientific fact.

In fact i think there is plenty of evidence it did get that hot. I'll site the pools of steel.

The thermite cause it to get hot enough to cut the steel ... that's why traces were found in the molten iron and dust. What part of that don't you get? Tell us.

You cannot refute that using your own logic. The steel could be easily tested and probablly has been that it not of thermite orgin.

Wrong again ... traces of thermite were found ... how many times do I have to state this before it sinks in ...

Anyone that got a sample would have been able to test it and find out its orgin... Oh, ic.. The gubment again.. those bastards.. lol

If you bushwhacked bothered to look at the video with the evidence or read the transcript you would know sample were taken and the presence of thermite was confirmed. What part of that don't you get? Tell us ...

Also please answer my question, have you ever worked with thermite? Do you know what a thermite casing looks like?

I don't need to work with thermite to understand the concept that traces were found at the site. What part of that don't you understand? Tell us.

So if large amounts of steel melted from the fire there would be pools of it as well.

Once again ... you make yourself look stupid ... there were tons on molten steel ... what part of that don't you get?

Gage: Indeed, in all the dust throughout lower Manhattan, we have a four to six inch thick layer of this dust, and throughout it we have evidence of tiny spheres, billions of them, several tons of previously molten iron ... the by-product of thermite is molten iron and it’s dispersed through out all this dust.

You cannot prove it was not hot enough.

already did ... scientific fact that fire get between 1400 and 1600 degrees ... not hot enough to do anything to fireproofed steel.

In fact i think there is plenty of evidence it did get that hot.

ah yeah ... because of the thermite ...

I'll site the pools of steel. You cannot refute that using your own logic. The steel could be easily tested and probablly has been that it not of thermite orgin.

Well we've already proven you were blowing it out your ass on this point.

Anyone that got a sample would have been able to test it and find out its orgin... Oh, ic.. The gubment again.. those bastards.. lol

LOL how do you explain the thermite in the samples ... bwaa ha ha ha ... why don't you find a silly tin hat picture to put up ... might make you feel better ... might.

Also please answer my question, have you ever worked with thermite? Do you know what a thermite casing looks like?

I don't need to ... the evidence is clear.

 

[GrowRebel]

Really? What past posts are you refering to that you would know anything about me? Gage's comments? I didn't waste my time...

Making yourself look stupid ... yeah ... I can see why you wouldn't want to do that ... can't dispute the facts ... why bother ...

Sure we will, to form pools of steel that are not from the melted steel from within the building, would require thousands of tons of thermite, period.

So what ... the fact that traces were found shows thermite was used ... the amount doesn't matter at this point in time. That would have to be brought out in a real investigation.

you would need a hell of alot more than traces, were talking thousands of tons of thermite.

Say the bushwhacked with no credibility ...

Also ever seen a thermite reacting?

Yep ...

Big noxious clould of shit. Its brighter than fuck and smokey as hell. Didn't see that in the WTC footage...

You need to go look at the videos again ... on second thought ignore them like everything else ... it will only prove how foolish you are.

Bam! You've been educated!

Bam you been made a fool of again

 

[GrowRebel]

DUCK!!!! THERE IS AN ALIEN BEHIND YOU!!!!



lol, had ya fooled!!!

He told me to tell say you give him just cause to believe there is no intelligent life on this planet. ....hahaha ...
he really said that too.

 

[bryant228]

(Wow, I had to come back and edit my post. You guys are really going at. I'm just responding to our conversation Grow rebel.)

Dude! Come on! I'm trying to let this go. I havnt followed this for so long I had to google Richard Gage. Serioulsy, I had no idea who he is. No one I know really talks about this anymore. And i work with a bunch of architects and engineers. We've all debated this. And I have to stick with what I believe, just like everyone else I know. He's not showing me anything new. It's the same as was it was 5 years ago. He's Just running around saying he's an architect. But I have no idea what his credentials are. I skimmed over a few things. Look, his credentials are better then mine. But I bet he's in the same boat as alot of us are. It doesnt look like he's even practicing anymore. Do you have any idea how much he's making now? You get paid to go on talk shows and radio shows. I bet he takes donations on this website. But I bet he's out of work, like alot of us are. Or maybe he has work from all this publicity. At that rate, he's looking pretty smart now. My company has taken it's hits as well. And no, I don't own my own company.

Look, I work in a small town. I do light commercial and residential work. No, I don't work on skyscrappers. The tallest building I did was 4 stories, and that was years ago. But I know it's possible for buildings to collapse. Nothing like that has ever happened, nothing. Theres nothing to compare it to, except what?.......Demolition. And I'm not going to come on here and spit out a bunch of engineering terms. I think the media has played up the fires too much. They did play a part in it. One of many parts. Do you understand loads? I'm not trying to be smart, but do you? Static load and dynamic load? I don't want to get into the thermite present at the scence, the liquid metal. I should say I can't, I'm done. Like I said, I've done this before, and it goes no where. I'm just very passionate in what I believe in too. And I should have known better then to come in here and post.

I've been doing this for 20 years too brother. From framing houses with my uncle, to setting steel with my coisins company. My dad had a small excavating buisness. I come from a regular working class family. I worked my way all through school, And I have massive student loans still. My wife had two jobs at one point while I finished up my masters. You and I are going to have to agree to disagree. I know what I'm talking about, and so do you. What the hell does that say? No wonder you hate me so much, your a contractor! I got a chuckle out of that. You and I might have more in common then you think. We're both pot heads for christs sake! And I'm stoned right now. Look, I've worked in the field, and had to work around someones fuck up as well. I've paid my dues.

But back to the issue. The evidence does not add up to me, sorry. But again, good luck. I mean no ill will to you. I'll see you around.

 

[olosto]

He told me to tell say you give him just cause to believe there is no intelligent life on this planet. ....hahaha ...
he really said that too.

And wait he was talking to you and saying this, BUAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Once again ... you make yourself look stupid ... there were tons on molten steel ... what part of that don't you get?

If it was thermite that did it in would the pools be of iron and not steel????

the by-product of thermite is molten iron and it’s dispersed through out all this dust.