Project Mayhem - Tyler Durden's Perpetual Grow

[wawa80]

Yes, 3 weeks of veg is plenty. More than that and they grow too large in flower and it becomes difficult to manage.

U count ur 3 weeks after clone establish roots .. when u take ur clone from moms how long typically u grow that rootball for before u start counting ur 3 weeks? Or do u count 3 weeks as of from the moment u stick that plant into a cloner ?

 

[tyler.durden]

Damn Tyler, sorry to hear about what happened. HLVD seems particularly devastating to r/dwc growers as the roots are the most contagious parts. So anything that shared a res with an infected cut is almost certainly infected. Also, in case you didn't know, rubbing alcohol does not kill it. As you clean your grow remember to use 10% bleach solution. I appreciate you giving us the names of those clone companies you have researched as reputable. I would also add James Bean's clones to the list. He tests his mothers once per quarter and each plant is tested top, middle and bottom. Problem is, his clone list, while extensive, seems largely uninteresting to me. But he is trusted by many. -----> Clones Here Now

While I have not personally switched to LED yet, I do not think the claim that LED performs as good as HID is a controversial one at this point. If you listen to the latest generation of youtube growers they talk about HID as if it is a throwback to less efficient times. I think this is kind of ironic since they also talk about hydro as if it is outdated, even though it is obviously more effecient. The whole "hydro= dirty/unhealthy" mentality seems to be unquestionably ingrained into the culture these days. So much so that even those who do choose hydro call it "soilless synganics" in an effort to distance themselves from 90s hydro. But anyhow, as for LEDs, some strains are said to do better under HPS because they basically evolved under them, but no one really pushes back on the claim that LED is the way to go these days.

I wish you luck and a speedy recovery.

Thanks, Heis. I culled all of my moms, including my 6 original pheno-hunted strains. That really hurt. I cleaned the room and all equipment yesterday with a 10% bleach solution in anticipation of my clones from Boston Clone Company coming today. I purchased 5 clones from them - GG4 ($400), Lemon Mints ($500), Lemon Cherry Gelato ($500), Green Crack ($300), and RSII ($500 Breeder's Cut). Got 'em all on sale for $200 including shipping! Such a deal. I loved my pheno of GG4, hope this one is as good or better.

 

[tyler.durden]

Got all the cuttings potted. They all look super healthy, and were packaged so nicely. It was 17f outside, so even though they were overnighted, I was worried. They look a lot better than my last clones, which looked almost dead upon arrival. Can't wait until they're large moms so I can take cuttings, I figure 3-4 weeks. I'm gonna buy 5 more next week, 10 is all I can really support comfortably. Really excited for these genetics, this guy Thomas from BCC is supposed to be one of the best.

 

[curious2garden]

Got all the cuttings potted. They all look super healthy, and were packaged so nicely. It was 17f outside, so even though they were overnighted, I was worried. They look a lot better than my last clones, which looked almost dead upon arrival. Can't wait until they're large moms so I can take cuttings, I figure 3-4 weeks. I'm gonna buy 5 more next week, 10 is all I can really support comfortably. Really excited for these genetics, this guy Thomas from BCC is supposed to be one of the best.


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They look healthy Tyler but isn't that always the case . Let's hope they hold. If not you just reboot again. All my best wishes

 

[tyler.durden]

U count ur 3 weeks after clone establish roots .. when u take ur clone from moms how long typically u grow that rootball for before u start counting ur 3 weeks? Or do u count 3 weeks as of from the moment u stick that plant into a cloner ?

I'm counting the 3 weeks in veg starting from when I move a fully rooted clone from the aero cloner over to the veg unit. A cutting sits in the cloner for 3 weeks, then that rooted clone moves over to the veg unit for 3 weeks, then the vegged plant moves over to a flower unit for 9 weeks.

 

[tyler.durden]

They look healthy Tyler but isn't that always the case . Let's hope they hold. If not you just reboot again. All my best wishes

Thank, Annie. The first round of clones I received last year didn't look so good, but I have a magical green thumb and haven't lost a clone yet I just have to have faith that these are disease free, we'll see how it goes...

 

[ttystikk]

I've run a of lights over the years. HPS was great for making heat, my plants weren't impressed.

I got Philips brand "860W CDM" lamps, they're a ceramic metal halide style. So named because they can run on 208V and pull the nameplate wattage, hence their marketing for "saving energy." Run on standard 240V thousand Watt magnetic ballasts, they pull 1000W and do just fine. They must run on low frequency ballasts and I had a bunch of mags at the time. Solid step up in quality, yields were about the same, heat was about the same. I attribute the improvement in quality to spectrum, these were 3850 Kelvin temperature, IIRC.

Then I built a bunch of LED lights with Cree 3590 COB LED chips and those were a revelation; better yield, denser buds and even better quality. It's important to note that I did not attempt to reduce total Watts per square foot but that's because my light intensity needed to be higher anyway.

I ran my room slightly warmer, low 80s, that certainly did not adversely affect terpenes, flavor or the high. I ran 900W of LED on 24ft² of canopy, that's 37.5W/ft². These chips were 3500 Kelvin temperature.

If you decide to go with LED lights, HLG makes high quality units, many models are a drop in replacement for your HPS lamps and most importantly their reputation for customer service is outstanding. You pay more but you're buying peace of mind.

As always YMMV, just thought I'd offer my own experience.

 

[tyler.durden]

Damn Tyler, sorry to hear about what happened. HLVD seems particularly devastating to r/dwc growers as the roots are the most contagious parts. So anything that shared a res with an infected cut is almost certainly infected. Also, in case you didn't know, rubbing alcohol does not kill it. As you clean your grow remember to use 10% bleach solution. I appreciate you giving us the names of those clone companies you have researched as reputable. I would also add James Bean's clones to the list. He tests his mothers once per quarter and each plant is tested top, middle and bottom. Problem is, his clone list, while extensive, seems largely uninteresting to me. But he is trusted by many. -----> Clones Here Now

Thanks for directing me to James Bean's site. I grew his DJ Short's Blueberry for years. Amazing high and bag appeal, terrible yield. He has some unique genetics, at $100 per clone, not bad. BCC has this $200 for 5 deal, plus a couple of other incentives. Check out his latest menu -

While I have not personally switched to LED yet, I do not think the claim that LED performs as good as HID is a controversial one at this point. If you listen to the latest generation of youtube growers they talk about HID as if it is a throwback to less efficient times. I think this is kind of ironic since they also talk about hydro as if it is outdated, even though it is obviously more effecient. The whole "hydro= dirty/unhealthy" mentality seems to be unquestionably ingrained into the culture these days. So much so that even those who do choose hydro call it "soilless synganics" in an effort to distance themselves from 90s hydro. But anyhow, as for LEDs, some strains are said to do better under HPS because they basically evolved under them, but no one really pushes back on the claim that LED is the way to go these days.

I wish you luck and a speedy recovery.

The main thing that was holding me back from going to LEDs is that there doesn't seem to be any air-cooled fixtures. I've always had my HPS lamps in air cooled hoods, it would be almost impossible to cool the room enough without them (except in winter). I have read many posts that have said that LEDs heat their rooms much less than HPS even in air-cooled hoods. If that is true, I think I may give it a shot. I've already bought a small one to go over my 3x2 mom tray, 160w to replace my 250w hps. I'm looking forward to the results. Also, lol at soilless synganics.

 

[ttystikk]

Thanks for directing me to James Bean's site. I grew his DJ Short's Blueberry for years. Amazing high and bag appeal, terrible yield. He has some unique genetics, at $100 per clone, not bad. BCC has this $200 for 5 deal, plus a couple of other incentives. Check out his latest menu -

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The main thing that was holding me back from going to LEDs is that there doesn't seem to be any air-cooled fixtures. I've always had my HPS lamps in air cooled hoods, it would be almost impossible to cool the room enough without them (except in winter). I have read many posts that have said that LEDs heat their rooms much less than HPS even in air-cooled hoods. If that is true, I think I may give it a shot. I've already bought a small one to go over my 3x2 mom tray, 160w to replace my 250w hps. I'm looking forward to the results. Also, lol at soilless synganics.

While it's true that LED takes a given Watt and converts a larger percentage of it into PAR than high intensity discharge fixtures, keep in mind that all electrical circuits eventually convert Watts to BTUs, all of the Watts, no exceptions. One Watt becomes 3.412 BTUs and 1000 Watts becomes 3412 BTUs. Some of those BTUs just happen to be cleverly disguised as light...

Therefore, if your HPS lamp is converting 30% of the electricity you're giving it into PAR, the other 70% is heat. If you have a sexy electronic ballast for it, you may be getting as much as 40%. Cheap ass LED is 40-45% efficient, my old Cree lights are about 56% and the Quantum Board based HLG lights are pushing the low to mid sixties.

That means you'll need about 1/3 less power to make the same amount of light. The real payoff is better spectrum and quality. Since the LED light isn't making as much heat per Watt, it's suggested to run the room a bit warmer; low to mid 80s. That gets the leaf surface temperature where it wants to be for good transpiration and therefore optional nutrient take-up. Plants under LED may also want a bit more magnesium and calcium than you're used to.

Since temps are higher, your RH should be a bit higher, too. I don't know if you supplement with CO2 but I can tell you from personal experience that plants in the environment described do love it and respond vigorously.

Between a somewhat lower total energy usage and slightly higher temps and RH, you'll find that you don't need to spend as much on cooling. You'll find that you'll need a bit more dehumidification because the plants will be transpiring more due to better growth.

And that's the nutshell difference between growing with HID and LED.

 

[natureboygrower]

@tyler.durden
How long did it take you to realize your room was infected? Do you recall how old the moms were when thet started showing deficiencies?

 

[tyler.durden]

@tyler.durden
How long did it take you to realize your room was infected? Do you recall how old the moms were when thet started showing deficiencies?

2 out of the 6 original clones I purchased were pretty infected right off the bat, but I didn't know what it was at the time (Mimosa and Apple Fritter). They never produced good bud even on the first run. The rest took a while to show signs of infection, I got 5-6 great harvests before the flower degraded to shit, and they wouldn't even clone anymore. My guess is those two infected cuts started infecting the other moms right away, just took a while to finish the job.

 

[tyler.durden]

New clones perked up and are doing great, can't wait until I can take cuttings. Maybe 3-4 weeks.








My Green Crack clone is so tiny compared to the others. I'm sure she'll catch up.

 

[ttystikk]

2 out of the 6 original clones I purchased were pretty infected right off the bat, but I didn't know what it was at the time (Mimosa and Apple Fritter). They never produced good bud even on the first run. The rest took a while to show signs of infection, I got 5-6 great harvests before the flower degraded to shit, and they wouldn't even clone anymore. My guess is those two infected cuts started infecting the other moms right away, just took a while to finish the job.

Many years ago, I had a plant that showed all the signs of a virus infection but of course I had no idea back then. I tossed the strain because it just wouldn't grow and in retrospect that likely saved everything else.

 

[natureboygrower]

2 out of the 6 original clones I purchased were pretty infected right off the bat, but I didn't know what it was at the time (Mimosa and Apple Fritter). They never produced good bud even on the first run. The rest took a while to show signs of infection, I got 5-6 great harvests before the flower degraded to shit, and they wouldn't even clone anymore. My guess is those two infected cuts started infecting the other moms right away, just took a while to finish the job.

The cannabis gods giveth and taketh away. Funny how this never showed up until greedy, dirty clone sellers arrived on the scene after legalization. It's like the plant decided not to let itself get whored out.

Looks like you've got things sorted. Clones look great. Gl with the new strains/grow.

 

[tyler.durden]

The cannabis gods giveth and taketh away. Funny how this never showed up until greedy, dirty clone sellers arrived on the scene after legalization. It's like the plant decided not to let itself get whored out.

Looks like you've got things sorted. Clones look great. Gl with the new strains/grow.

Amen. I've done really well over the last 15 years via growing, so even if I never make another penny the gods have been good to me. Not quite done yet, though...

 

[wawa80]

In Illinois dispensary weed is supposed to be super dank. I still have never been in one, but customers report it is all fire. Seems the bar is pretty high here. Good to hear that you have a potential customer base, that's the hardest part of the job for me now, acquiring new clients.



I had 6 pheno-hunted moms when I first moved to the new digs - Strawberry Cheesecake, Durban Poison, Blue Dream, Vanilla Kush, GG4, and OG Kush. The OG was my very first keeper, and I ran her for 13 years, but the genetics finally blew out. By that I mean after making copies of clones hundreds of times the genes of a strain seem to deteriorate. Some say you can clone a strain forever, but I've not found that to be true as I've blown out several strains. So I finally let the OG Kush go, no one was ordering her anymore, anyway. I purchased six new strains of supposedly award winning clones from www.marijuanaclonesonline.com. 3 sativas and 3 indicas - Oreoz, Gasonade, Apple Fritter, Divine Storm, Exalation, and Mimosa. The clones were in rough shape when they arrived, but I managed to nurse them back to health and grew them into moms. I'm convinced that at least 2 of the clones were infected with a fungus, which retarded their potential and made them difficult to clone. I've let go of the Apple Fritter, Divine Storm, and Mimosa because of below acceptable yields, but the remaining strains are keepers for sure. The Oreoz may be the greatest plant I've ever grown - huge yields, dense super frosty buds, crazy potent, tasty, and great bag appeal. The Gasonade is a close second, the Oreoz is 80% indica and the Gas is about 80% sativa. The Exalation is a super potent indica. I spent $300 on the new strains, but I would have paid that just for the Oreoz or the Gasonade. I plan to order 4 more strains soon to complete my stable of a dozen ladies. That's all I have room for.


I haven't changed anything, I think I have the room pretty dialed in at this point. A lot of planning was done before I started building, so it came together rather quickly. Please copy my design, which is just the best ideas from reading through that humongous thread three times, lol. I believe you will have a lot of fun with this setup, it is really simple once you get the hang of it. Let me know when you have questions, best of luck.


Oreoz pics -

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U get me excited about Oreoz lol...
But link u post doesn't seem to have it anymore so I bought that strain from different place and it came yesterday ... I bought teen jnstead of clone ...and I bought if from ...

You searched for Oreoz - The Clone Conservatory

thecloneconservatory.com

 

[tyler.durden]

U get me excited about Oreoz lol...
But link u post doesn't seem to have it anymore so I bought that strain from different place and it came yesterday ... I bought teen jnstead of clone ...and I bought if from ...

You searched for Oreoz - The Clone Conservatory

thecloneconservatory.com

Cool. I've read people complaining about catching disease from them, too. I would get that tested at Tumi before putting it in your garden. Let us know how it goes, and best of luck. I'm really gonna miss that strain, probably the best I've ever grown.

 

[wawa80]

Cool. I've read people complaining about catching disease from them, too. I would get that tested at Tumi before putting it in your garden. Let us know how it goes, and best of luck. I'm really gonna miss that strain, probably the best I've ever grown.

I hope that my Oreoz Teen will be good .. so far is doing ok .. I'll keep her separate for now anyways ... I'll let u know how it goes ...
In ur set up how tall did they get ? .. when I research that strain it can be very stretchy during 1st couple of weeks of flower, at least double the size of ur veg plant from what people say about this strain ... when u veg for 3 weeks how tall it get on u before u flip to flower? ... I planned to scrog this thing anyways .. and in ur set up what was average yeild that u had from ur Oreoz plants? ..
I will grow this teen to healthy momma and then off to the cloning .. if it turned out to be great flower I do not mind sharing clones down the road if u ever want Oreoz clone back in ur collection ...
Maybe that Oreoz will be my 1st grow journal lol

 

[OneHitDone]

Fans, ballasts, cords are all stuffed in a corner behind my tent.

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Let's go to my veg tent. Got moms in a 3ftx2ft F&D tray from my last grow, it is the only component that isn't aero. It is under a 250w HPS light. I like to have my moms able to be mobile, you never know when you may have to shut down suddenly and I never want to lose my genetics. I had to shut down once at the old apartment when they were installing new windows, and moving to this new house I just had to put my potted moms in a box and bring them on over. I couldn't do that if they were stuck in a stationary system.

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I originally had a taller veg system so the roots could get long and hang without laying in water -

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But I couldn't get that tote to stop leaking, so I swapped it out for a Coleman cooler. It isn't as tall, but absolutely no leaking, and it helps to keep the water temp in check. Veg unit and cloner under T5s.

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Under the veg unit is my Clone King aero cloner. I own 3 of them, as I used to do a sog and needed LOTS of clones. Now I just need a few each run, so I end up culling all but 6.



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I run the cloner and moms system sterile, Dutch Master Zone for the moms and just RO water and pool shock for the cloner. For everything else I use bennies, the API Eco Fix. Even with veg unit getting to 80 degrees, my roots are pristine -

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More to come soon...

Does the API Eco Fix have an ingredient label? Wondering if it contains enzymes?
Nice grow you have going here!

 

[tyler.durden]

I hope that my Oreoz Teen will be good .. so far is doing ok .. I'll keep her separate for now anyways ... I'll let u know how it goes ...
In ur set up how tall did they get ? .. when I research that strain it can be very stretchy during 1st couple of weeks of flower, at least double the size of ur veg plant from what people say about this strain ... when u veg for 3 weeks how tall it get on u before u flip to flower? ... I planned to scrog this thing anyways .. and in ur set up what was average yeild that u had from ur Oreoz plants? ..
I will grow this teen to healthy momma and then off to the cloning .. if it turned out to be great flower I do not mind sharing clones down the road if u ever want Oreoz clone back in ur collection ...
Maybe that Oreoz will be my 1st grow journal lol

Yes, it grew at least 3 times the size in flower from veg. I utilize a double trellis, so scrogging it all to an even canopy wasn't difficult. She gave a nice yield, at least 2 oz per plant. If yours tests clean and is the same cut, I'd love to trade to get her back.