Prob after rechrge

[Ydoineedtoregister]

Those are organic ferts; not saying it won’t work with coco, but coco+salts is usually the goto. Organic ferts tend to work better in soil, coco is a soilless medium.

plus, coco+salts is very easy to maintain ec/ppm if ur feeding til about 10% runoff every time, since salts are always getting cycled with every watering. Soil works better in bigger containers, i only had success in soil when i went to a 3x3 raised bed

I get confused when I hear organics... I thought organics mean you have to premix a super soil or living soil... and then add ammendments like Gaya green. Or is ffof considered organic?

I admit I have read flushing with 3x the pot size but that seems so excessive.. I guess considering 2 gallons didn't work last night it makes sense.... was it bad that I've watered last night and stopped even though run off was still 7.2'7.3? I probably am basically right back to square one... ugh

I hate learning. Wish I just knew shit. Or they had like the matrix type learning programs uploaded to my brain...

Thank you too everyone who replied... to sum up this whole post.... I think it was the recharge. jkjk.

But yes tyty and I'll take this info and use it in the future.... and I'll continue to update

 

[dwc420letsgo]

I get confused when I hear organics... I thought organics mean you have to premix a super soil or living soil... and then add ammendments like Gaya green. Or is ffof considered organic?

I admit I have read flushing with 3x the pot size but that seems so excessive.. I guess considering 2 gallons didn't work last night it makes sense.... was it bad that I've watered last night and stopped even though run off was still 7.2'7.3? I probably am basically right back to square one... ugh

I hate learning. Wish I just knew shit. Or they had like the matrix type learning programs uploaded to my brain...

Thank you too everyone who replied... to sum up this whole post.... I think it was the recharge. jkjk.

But yes tyty and I'll take this info and use it in the future.... and I'll continue to update

I believe forxfarms ocean forest is filled with organic inputs, usually good till about 4 weeks in, where the food gets depleted and needs reammending. There’s many ways to grow organic. Super soil, living soil, depends what you like.
Learning is part of the process. There comes a point where everything clicks, but you have to go thru it. Don’t worry about the ph right now, 7.1 aint horrible anyways. In my 3x3 bed, i feed water straight from the tap at 9.5pH, no issues since the microbes take care of the rootzone ph.

 

[Rocket Soul]

Has anybody considered calmag locking out potasium? It does look somewhat like potasium def or lockout.

 

[Ydoineedtoregister]

I believe forxfarms ocean forest is filled with organic inputs, usually good till about 4 weeks in, where the food gets depleted and needs reammending. There’s many ways to grow organic. Super soil, living soil, depends what you like.
Learning is part of the process. There comes a point where everything clicks, but you have to go thru it. Don’t worry about the ph right now, 7.1 aint horrible anyways. In my 3x3 bed, i feed water straight from the tap at 9.5pH, no issues since the microbes take care of the rootzone ph.

So for next grow I just today planted a seed with 1" tap root into solo cup with only coco. Should I transplant when time comes into only 3 gal ffof (with extra perlite and myco) and then use Gaia after 4 weeks (or below 900ppm I read?) And that's it?

I have some ffof I have coco I have Gaia green and I have recharge.......

 

[Ydoineedtoregister]

BTW photos from sunday...

 

[dwc420letsgo]

So for next grow I just today planted a seed with 1" tap root into solo cup with only coco. Should I transplant when time comes into only 3 gal ffof (with extra perlite and myco) and then use Gaia after 4 weeks (or below 900ppm I read?) And that's it?

I have some ffof I have coco I have Gaia green and I have recharge.......

I would transplant into smaller pot, then transplant into bigger pot. It’s easy to overwater and have the roots sitting in stagnant water if the pot is too big.
Since gaia green is an organic ammendment, I would top dress at the amount the label says for the pot size.
You don't really measure ppm/ec in organics. That is more for when u use bottled nutrients. I would go solo cup>1gal>3gal.

 

[Ydoineedtoregister]

I would transplant into smaller pot, then transplant into bigger pot. It’s easy to overwater and have the roots sitting in stagnant water if the pot is too big.
Since gaia green is an organic ammendment, I would top dress at the amount the label says for the pot size.
You don't really measure ppm/ec in organics. That is more for when u use bottled nutrients. I would go solo cup>1gal>3gal.

What if it's an auto? Skip the 1gal?

 

[dwc420letsgo]

BTW photos from sunday...
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They are not looking too bad, should be able to course correct. You will know the problem was fixed when the leaves fade out to like a purple or reddish color. Anyways, you still have green leaves which is good, means there’s time to get this to full maturity

 

[dwc420letsgo]

What if it's an auto? Skip the 1gal?

Probably a good idea. Be very careful either way, so it doesn’t flower early on u

 

[Ydoineedtoregister]

Probably a good idea. Be very careful either way, so it doesn’t flower early on u

I find it odd that some people top and heavy train autos wo problems and others say opposite..


Any way last question please...

When is the absolute latest in flower that you would remove larf?

 

[dwc420letsgo]

I find it odd that some people top and heavy train autos wo problems and others say opposite..


Any way last question please...

When is the absolute latest in flower that you would remove larf?

They can be finicky. I had one in the raised bed that I topped and it grew like crazy, overgrew my lights. Same seeds, in a 3 gal pot started flowering after i topped them. They seemed healthy at the time.
If u mean the lower suckers on the buds, u can probably remove those now if u want, or just wait to chop. I dont think it will do any difference either way at this point in time

 

[Hollatchaboy]

Those are organic ferts; not saying it won’t work with coco, but coco+salts is usually the goto. Organic ferts tend to work better in soil, coco is a soilless medium.

plus, coco+salts is very easy to maintain ec/ppm if ur feeding til about 10% runoff every time, since salts are always getting cycled with every watering. Soil works better in bigger containers, i only had success in soil when i went to a 3x3 raised bed

I'm using 3 gal. containers. No issues really, except I timed my transplant wrong. Plus I let them veg out a lil too long. I'm top dressing with just soil. Its a new method to me, and it's working pretty well. My next run, should be on point.

 

[Hollatchaboy]

I get confused when I hear organics... I thought organics mean you have to premix a super soil or living soil... and then add ammendments like Gaya green. Or is ffof considered organic?

I admit I have read flushing with 3x the pot size but that seems so excessive.. I guess considering 2 gallons didn't work last night it makes sense.... was it bad that I've watered last night and stopped even though run off was still 7.2'7.3? I probably am basically right back to square one... ugh

I hate learning. Wish I just knew shit. Or they had like the matrix type learning programs uploaded to my brain...

Thank you too everyone who replied... to sum up this whole post.... I think it was the recharge. jkjk.

But yes tyty and I'll take this info and use it in the future.... and I'll continue to update

Organic means organic matter(i.e. anything that is/ was alive), getting broken down by bacterias and fungi, in the soil, and that matter keeps getting broken down into simple inorganic substances, i.e. co2, water, nutrients. Those nutrients feed the plants.

That's why I said to feed the microbes in the soil, and they'll do the rest. No pH'ing, no measuring nutes, no ro water. It's actually really simple.

 

[420 Garden]

I run ffof, never ph shit, I will water to run off and let the 5 gallon pots sit in the run off a half hour or so and the suck it right up no problem. You can NOT do that with NON organic feeds. You will lock out. If you want to run organic go to the organic threads. If you want to run synthetic feeds I and others suggest to change to coco. Read, ask get informed. Alot of ways to skin a cat, but the only one that matters is the way you want to run. GL

 

[Ydoineedtoregister]

I run ffof, never ph shit, I will water to run off and let the 5 gallon pots sit in the run off a half hour or so and the suck it right up no problem. You can NOT do that with NON organic feeds. You will lock out. If you want to run organic go to the organic threads. If you want to run synthetic feeds I and others suggest to change to coco. Read, ask get informed. Alot of ways to skin a cat, but the only one that matters is the way you want to run. GL

How do you not have problems with excess salt buildup? That very well could be why my plant is messed up... unless you're saying it can't be that bc you have no issues... maybe I put too much ph down and that affected negatively

 

[dwc420letsgo]

How do you not have problems with excess salt buildup? That very well could be why my plant is messed up... unless you're saying it can't be that bc you have no issues... maybe I put too much ph down and that affected negatively

He’s saying he runs organic.. no bottled nutes aka salts. So he can get away with having the pot suck up the runoff since it’s not full of salt ions unlike if u were feeding with salts.

 

[Hollatchaboy]

How do you not have problems with excess salt buildup? That very well could be why my plant is messed up... unless you're saying it can't be that bc you have no issues... maybe I put too much ph down and that affected negatively

So generally, in organic soil, you can do that because the organic matter needs time to break down, it's not instant available nutrient, like synthetics. Look at it this way, soil microbes start eating, and breaking down whatever amendment you're using, they shit and piss. Bigger microbes come along, and eat the smaller ones. They shit and piss. Fungi basically does the same. Eventually, the amendments get broken down to individual elements, like the ones needed for plants to grow...npk and all the others. Basically you're feeding your plants with microbe shit and piss.
This is an extremity over simplified breakdown. There's much much more to it, but hopefully it helps you understand. Bottled nutes mean those elements... npk, and all the others...are instantly available to the plants.

 

[Ydoineedtoregister]

So generally, in organic soil, you can do that because the organic matter needs time to break down, it's not instant available nutrient, like synthetics. Look at it this way, soil microbes start eating, and breaking down whatever amendment you're using, they shit and piss. Bigger microbes come along, and eat the smaller ones. They shit and piss. Fungi basically does the same. Eventually, the amendments get broken down to individual elements, like the ones needed for plants to grow...npk and all the others. Basically you're feeding your plants with microbe shit and piss.
This is an extremity over simplified breakdown. There's much much more to it, but hopefully it helps you understand. Bottled nutes mean those elements... npk, and all the others...are instantly available to the plants.

I thought when he said he runs ffof he also meant the ff nutes.

So what's the difference between compost teas like recharge or homemade and ammendments? And where do grow dots fit in?

Is it even possible to do a water only grow or do you at some point need to feed the soil...b4 getting to harvest..

 

[Hollatchaboy]

I thought when he said he runs ffof he also meant the ff nutes.

So what's the difference between compost teas like recharge or homemade and ammendments? And where do grow dots fit in?

Is it even possible to do a water only grow or do you at some point need to feed the soil...b4 getting to harvest..

No, he said the nutes as well.

Not too much difference really, but you need to be able to be s good tea.

I do a water only.

 

[dwc420letsgo]

I thought when he said he runs ffof he also meant the ff nutes.

So what's the difference between compost teas like recharge or homemade and ammendments? And where do grow dots fit in?

Is it even possible to do a water only grow or do you at some point need to feed the soil...b4 getting to harvest..

Recharge is a compost tea. Basically adding microbes, myco, molasses and other beneficial bacteria. Not really a fertilizer.

Amendments refer to adding food to the soil. Usually in orgnaics, that means top dressing some food (gaia, dr earth, craft blend, etc)

Grow dots are a form of synthetic nutrients in a slow release form. They are supposed to be an easy way to feed your plants, but i don't like that you dont have control over the release of the nutrients

You can do a water only grow in organics but u would need to make super soil, or living soil in a big enough container. Or just top dress some food every three weeks or so.