Budzbuddha
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Instead of Recharge - PEEcharge.
Prob after rechrge
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Hollatchaboy
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Normally when you're growing in organic soil, especially living soil, you don't water to runoff, but since you were using bottled nutes, it might not be a bad idea.
Ydoineedtoregister
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Well I let her dry and put ffof on top. I watered with tap water that was left out to decloroeinate. No nutrients at all.
6.0 going in and 7.4 is at run off. 500ppm I poured about 2 gallons and run off was still 7.2ish. She is getting a bit worse each day. I think I should have put more water...
Is it possible the recharge has anything to do with raising the ph of soil? Did that make sense? Still trying to figure out what I did wrong. Was i supposed to allow run off with recharge bc I only had a tiny bit of run off bc I didn't want to waste what I was putting on there.
Either way, I am going to let her dry again and see how she looks. The bottom leaves are sagging badly. In 6th week of flower but looks like she could finish on the early side hopefully (8 weeks) but 9 probably more realistic...
I'm praying she makes it.. I'll feed next time shes dry about 900ppm I figure...
6.0 going in and 7.4 is at run off. 500ppm I poured about 2 gallons and run off was still 7.2ish. She is getting a bit worse each day. I think I should have put more water...
Is it possible the recharge has anything to do with raising the ph of soil? Did that make sense? Still trying to figure out what I did wrong. Was i supposed to allow run off with recharge bc I only had a tiny bit of run off bc I didn't want to waste what I was putting on there.
Either way, I am going to let her dry again and see how she looks. The bottom leaves are sagging badly. In 6th week of flower but looks like she could finish on the early side hopefully (8 weeks) but 9 probably more realistic...
I'm praying she makes it.. I'll feed next time shes dry about 900ppm I figure...
dwc420letsgo
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It’s not the recharge
Ydoineedtoregister
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So I've heard
dwc420letsgo
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Yet you keep going back to the same thought that recharge somehow fucked up your plants. Look, at thisnpoint if deep in flower, the damage is done. Next time, pay more attention to watering the plant correctly from seedling. I recommend using coco since it can dry out and doesn't go hydrophobic. I promise you, the recharge isn’t the culprit. We have all overwatered, underwatered, over fed and under fed plants and we all make mistakes. My first grows sucked, but as time went on i gained experience and now it’s pretty easy to get to the end, just a matter of being consistent and listening to your plants.
If u want, i can show you my plants in week 6 and i can feed them recharge at 3x the recommended amount so u can see that recharge isn't hurting your plants, most likely you are. Not trying to be an asshole, just the truth.
medidedicated
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Hope Im not adding fuel to fire but if it makes you feel better this was my exact experience with soil. Tried top dress fresh soil, tried maxibloom and finally just recharge and fresh soil to not keep stirring the pot of problems. Barely made it to the end and went back to drain to waste coco.
Ydoineedtoregister
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I understand where you're coming from. I'm just spitballing trying to solve this is all... when you first started I'm sure you read every advice with a grain of salt bc experiences vary. I admit I can be a bit stubborn until I know for sure the problem, in general.
Most signs point to nutrient lockout. Perhaps bc of the 7.4 ph run off. Any idea why the ph would rise ? I tent to water and check run off and make sure it's within 6-6.5 at run off.
Yet this time only it is 7.4ish. Could overfeeding cause this?
dwc420letsgo
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To me it sounds more like a ppm buildup causing lockout. I did an entire run without adjusting ph and had no lockouts, but i always feed to runoff and since i have it draining, no standing water at the bottom.
Have u measured ppm at runoff? Maybe very high
Wastei
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What is the EC on your runoff? It's more important to monitor than pH IMO.
Hollatchaboy
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Agreed.
dwc420letsgo
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After going back to the og post, u said u feeding up to 1300. Give the plant plain water, and measure ur runoff ppm. Update us.
Ydoineedtoregister
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It was high yes.
Actually that sounds logical. I do water to run off though. The only time I really didn't was while watering with recharge yet I dare not say it was the recharge.
I did have high ppm also I just remembered.. 1700ppm. Could one time skipping runoff lead to salt buildup? I don't think I have e c meter but I should get one.
Ydoineedtoregister
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I watered last night it was 500ppm at run off but was 1700 the time b4. . It must have been that. A bit of buildup cause high ppm ?
Hollatchaboy
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Since you're using soil, why the bottled nutes? I never take ph or ec readings when in organic soil. Just feed the microbes in the soil, and they'll do the rest for you. If you want to do bottled nutes, why not switch to coco?
Ydoineedtoregister
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I'm realizing this after the fact and starting new grow im coco with Gaia green 444 and the bloom one.... ffof no more.... but iv am new and figured soil was easiest
Ydoineedtoregister
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My only other grow. Bag seed that flowered at 17 days.... barely made to harvest with airy bus 2 oz. These og just buds are already much denser so I'm hoping to make it
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dwc420letsgo
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Just get a cheap one for now, but it would be wise to invest in a bluelab or apera ppm meter. It’s hard to say, but even if u were watering to runoff, u could still have buildup of salts. Depends how much runoff, how much ec going in, how dialed in the environment is which will affect how much water or food the plant takes in.
If u don't have the ppm meter, just flush the plant with about about twice as much water as there is soil. That should drastically lower ur ppm at the rootzone which should help the plants bounce back a bit. If u take the plant into a bathtub, it’s very easy to flush and have the runoff go to the drain since u wont be measuring
Hollatchaboy
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Soil is easiest, but it's more suited to organic growing, than it is for bottled nutes.
dwc420letsgo
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Those are organic ferts; not saying it won’t work with coco, but coco+salts is usually the goto. Organic ferts tend to work better in soil, coco is a soilless medium.
plus, coco+salts is very easy to maintain ec/ppm if ur feeding til about 10% runoff every time, since salts are always getting cycled with every watering. Soil works better in bigger containers, i only had success in soil when i went to a 3x3 raised bed