420 Garden
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Only 1/2 strength feed every time to run off.
Prob after rechrge
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dwc420letsgo
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Oh hell yeah jacks 321 is the shit. Be careful with the 10-30-20 formula, i only use it for about 10 days from switch to 12/12. Then nitrogen deficiency sets in if I don’t switch. I run coco+salts in my 5x5
420 Garden
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Been a long time organic for me so I am looking forward to doing things a little different and see what I can get away with on some autos.
Ydoineedtoregister
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I top dressed with ffof and am wondering if I topdressed with the Gaia 444 or bloom one would that be a good idea or .... maybe not needed but if it won't hurt or burn then I feel like it would be smart in case she still looks sad in a week..
BongerChonger
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I think there's a clear as day choice you need to make, organic grown or not?
Choosing your grow method is important, because you can't grow organic the same way.
Organics is great for learning to grow. There's a lot to know so to speak. Like nutrient composition of soil amendments and what different amendments are for, to soil compositions and textures, microbes and soil environment etc.
You won't learn organics overnight and whilst I'd argue it isn't the easiest way to grow, it can be the simplest and at times the most rewarding.
If you're into learning, organics is for you.
Same time organics these days can be simple as buying a bag of soil and following a lable.
One thing about organics I will say though, is you can easily add stuff, but you can't easily take it away.
Overdo it and it's generally not a simple fix like hydro.
Want easy? Want simple?
DTW grow method with your choice of nutes. (you could still use ff trio and ocean forrest imo)
Add a bunch (i mean a bunch) of perlite to your medium of choice. This could be potting mix, or promix, or coco, even straight perlite.
Water to runoff.
I've steered away from coco coir myself, dries out too fast, needs frequent watering, better suited to automatic systems. Same with straight perlite.
My favourite mix atm is a 50/50 mix of Canna Terra Pro and perlite in a 60L pot, hand watered once per week, Front Row AG nutes.
For me it doesn't get easier than that.
I've done the same with potting mix and even more perlite, works well too.
Pot size vs how much perlite you add will determine how often you need to water. And you need to take the water holding capacity of the potting mix you're using into account too.
You could make your own potting mix, but I say why bother.
I think a big factor for newer growers, not necessarily yourself, is improper drainage. Improper drainage makes us overwater and overfeed our plants, organic or not.
Roots love their oxygen and I think you'd be surprised how little water at anyonetime the plants actually need, they can thrive with seemingly little.
As a rule also, I don't go above 2.0 EC myself.
You're already a little bit over that, so I'd ease up a bit.
As you've discovered by your runoff, it doesn't take much more to tip things over the edge, you're right at the limits.
Ydoineedtoregister
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Thanks for this post. I had too much info b4 first grow and mixed different styles as you can see.
Money is very tight rn though so I am going to use what I have already which is ffof and Gaia ammendments. I'll buy the pro mix compost and other stuff from my Amazon cart little by little so next grow I'll have everything ready..
BongerChonger
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There's so much info out there and a lot of it can seem conflicting. Lots of ways to grow and lots of different products. And there's no one glove fits all so to speak. Can be difficult to find the right information, especially starting out, know how it is.
Really imo, it just comes down to tailoring your grow to your own lifestyle needs and what you can manage.
If you're going down the organics path, my advice is organics is a lifestyle. You don't do organics for the better dope, it's just the same, hydro or organic. You do organics because you care about the planet.
Really, the best compost is compost you make yourself too, same with worm castings. You could get a compost bin and worm farm started any day and it'll save you money in the long run for a better end product.
And, watch out for products like the Gaia all purpose 4-4-4 or Power Bloom 2-8-4. They're pretty strong looking and a little will go a long way. Too much and you will experience burn/lockout.
Keep an eye on your NPK in general.
If you're using ffof and Gaia, the 4-4-4 and 2-8-4 might be all you need. Seeing as ffof already has enough nutes to get started out the bag.
If I may give some advice, it's to keep things very simple. Simplicity is key.
Try to keep additives and amendments etc to a minimum. For the simple reason when something goes wrong, it's a much easier guess as to what it was you did or didn't do.
Plants don't need much to thrive. You don't need more than quality organic matter, like compost and castings, plus just a couple amendments.
Everything else is just for kicks.
I think a compost and worm farm is a good idea for you. It's a great place to start learning if that's what you want. Composting and breakdown of organic matter is happening all the time. Knowing your ratios of green to brown matter etc is important too. And just seeing it all in action, it's very worthwhile and you're helping the planet at the same time.
Anyway, all the best and good luck!
Ydoineedtoregister
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Thank you for all the advice...
Unfortunately after feeding 900ppm and 6.4 ph she turned a lot more yellow within 30 hours.
I wish someone would say I'm wrong that by the looks of her she definitely won't last 3 more weeks which I'd say I'd minimum she had left but I can't imagine I'm wrong....
5 months with this plant and I have to say I'm not doing so great right now.. I tried waiting until she was dry and topdressed ffof... didn't work...
Was going to try Gaia but it's pointless now I think...
Question
Will a really big plant with only a little bit of roots get nute burn from normal dose of nutes or is it the size of the plant above soil that determines the amount of nutrients it can handle?
I ask bc I may have destroyed the roots at the bottom by salt buildup and then gave to much nutrients and she couldn't handle them due to decreased root size??? Does this make any sense?
Photo 5 is from 12 hours prior and I think you can see the amount of yellowing that occurred in that short time...
Unfortunately after feeding 900ppm and 6.4 ph she turned a lot more yellow within 30 hours.
I wish someone would say I'm wrong that by the looks of her she definitely won't last 3 more weeks which I'd say I'd minimum she had left but I can't imagine I'm wrong....
5 months with this plant and I have to say I'm not doing so great right now.. I tried waiting until she was dry and topdressed ffof... didn't work...
Was going to try Gaia but it's pointless now I think...
Question
Will a really big plant with only a little bit of roots get nute burn from normal dose of nutes or is it the size of the plant above soil that determines the amount of nutrients it can handle?
I ask bc I may have destroyed the roots at the bottom by salt buildup and then gave to much nutrients and she couldn't handle them due to decreased root size??? Does this make any sense?
Photo 5 is from 12 hours prior and I think you can see the amount of yellowing that occurred in that short time...
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Hollatchaboy
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What week of flower is she in again? I still see some green in those leaves. Hell I've seen people defoliate more leaves than that, and still got a pretty decent harvest.
Depending on the week of flower, she may not need more nutes.
All in all, you've gained some knowledge for your next grow.
Ydoineedtoregister
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Oct 21st I flipped to 12/12. Not sure exactly when 1st pistols appeared...I'd say around 7 days later.. she had plenty by beginning of Nov. she vegged for 3 months. I was waiting for an autoflower to finish but ended up getting anther tent fir this one..
I forgot that some people don't feed 2 weeks prior but I thought that was proven wrong...
This is rqs og kush and says around 8 weeks flower time
I forgot that some people don't feed 2 weeks prior but I thought that was proven wrong...
This is rqs og kush and says around 8 weeks flower time
Ydoineedtoregister
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Don't the buds look very underdeveloped ?
Hollatchaboy
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I would say that the pH levels in the soil are out of whack from the salts. Prolly not much you can do about it. You could flush out the soil, but at this point, it may make matter's worse.
In organic growing, the microbes control the soil pH. Though the recharge adds microbes, maybe an aact could help. I doubt you wanna use recharge again.
In organic growing, the microbes control the soil pH. Though the recharge adds microbes, maybe an aact could help. I doubt you wanna use recharge again.