Amendment 14 article 3

DIY-HP-LED

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The 2024 election might be Trump vs Biden with Trump convicted of J6 crimes and election cheating and if he loses, he will claim he was cheated and the Big Lie 2.0 begins, until he goes to prison. Trump leading the GOP with a life sentence and conviction hanging over his head will be a spectacle alright, the White house or the big house, Jesus Christ!
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Dershowitz has gone entirely to the dark side. I posted about that a day or two ago.
It's not my fault that these people are too ashamed to appear on TV with their opinions, their peers are watching and judging too. :lol: Most are on Trump's defense team, and they are hardly experts!
 

cannabineer

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It's not my fault that these people are too ashamed to appear on TV with their opinions, their peers are watching and judging too. :lol: Most are on Trump's defense team, and they are hardly experts!
Behold this drop-forged twaddle.

 

DIY-HP-LED

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Behold this drop-forged twaddle.

Split decision I figure, he is not disqualified yet based on a narrow point of law that gives them an out. They will most likely refuse to take the immunity case, that is airtight with the lower court's ruling, which lifted their burden. Trump goes to trial around May or June from my reading of the tea leaves.
 

cannabineer

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Split decision I figure, he is not disqualified yet based on a narrow point of law that gives them an out. They will most likely refuse to take the immunity case, that is airtight with the lower court's ruling, which lifted their burden. Trump goes to trial around May or June from my reading of the tea leaves.
Maybe give your fans some red meat and upgrade to entrails.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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If the SCOTUS plays their cards right, they may never need to address the elephant in the room. Give him a pass on disqualification for now and refuse to hear the immunity case ASAP and that will kick him back to Chutkan. If he is convicted, he is unlikely to win the election and the whole issue can be avoided with his election loss. The matter will be resolved by criminal conviction and election loss, if I'm right and they can avoid a lot of shit, if he should win without a trial before the election. If convicted, his odds of winning go way down and his panic and desperation level goes way up, and so will the heat he will bring on republicans to do stupid shit.
 

cannabineer

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Just looking where we are so far and what the pundits said about the immunity case and that they might not take it. It looks like he will get a pass on disqualification.
As Fogdog has observed, the parameters of a future disqualification case are a big question. I doubt the court is not keenly aware of this. That could go any of half a dozen ways, and I’m not picking a favorite.
 

BudmanTX

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Just looking where we are so far and what the pundits said about the immunity case and that they might not take it. It looks like he will get a pass on disqualification.
we don't know about that. Keep in mind Colorado only kick him off the primary ballot but not the general election orange dumb dumb is still apart of that.........

might wanna read the transcript, just jyi
 

DIY-HP-LED

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we don't know about that. Keep in mind Colorado only kick him off the primary ballot but not the general election orange dumb dumb is still apart of that.........

might wanna read the transcript, just jyi
I'm just saying how things appear to me so far taking what experts are saying into account. It appears that they will give him a pass over a narrow point of the law on disqualification and should refuse to hear his immunity case, an easy out for them. It will only be an issue they have to address if he should win the general election, or some other mechanism is found to enforce the provisions of the 14th and it comes before them again. If he goes to court in May or June, he will be convicted before the election and that will decrease his chances of winning the general election.

It's just a guess though, they appear to have had their minds made up about what they were going to do before even hearing the arguments and seem to have settled on a unanimous strategy for avoiding the issue, including the most liberal of the justices, Jackson actually helped them make their case better than they did. Immunity is also before them too and odds are they will refuse to hear the case, the appeals court did an airtight job on that one.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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As Fogdog has observed, the parameters of a future disqualification case are a big question. I doubt the court is not keenly aware of this. That could go any of half a dozen ways, and I’m not picking a favorite.
My impression is they settled on a strategy before the hearing even began, the behavior and focus of the liberal justices indicated that and yes it also has to do with future elections and is a question best avoided if they can. If he is not immune and goes to trial this summer he will be convicted and probably lose the general election, problem solved. If he wins, hang on!
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Biden and Trump judges unite on ballot ban: Melber Supreme Court breakdown

The Supreme Court appeared to be skeptical of Colorado's decision to remove former President Trump from the state's primary ballot as they heard oral arguments. MSNBC'S Ari Melber reports.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Supreme Court puts details over democracy; appears poised to keep Trump on presidential ballot

During the Supreme Court argument on whether Donald Trump is disqualified from holding office under the 14th Amendment for engaging in insurrection, the Supreme Court justices put details over democracy.

This video reviews the arguments in Donald Trump v. Norma Anderson - the case in which the Colorado Supreme Court disqualified Trump from the Colorado state ballot - and discusses how the justices got bogged down in the details and seemed to lose sight of the big picture: that the plain language of the Constitution disqualifies Trump from holding office.
 

CCGNZ

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Supreme Court puts details over democracy; appears poised to keep Trump on presidential ballot

During the Supreme Court argument on whether Donald Trump is disqualified from holding office under the 14th Amendment for engaging in insurrection, the Supreme Court justices put details over democracy.

This video reviews the arguments in Donald Trump v. Norma Anderson - the case in which the Colorado Supreme Court disqualified Trump from the Colorado state ballot - and discusses how the justices got bogged down in the details and seemed to lose sight of the big picture: that the plain language of the Constitution disqualifies Trump from holding office.
It's pretty unanimous,w/the 3 lib. judges in tow,they HAVE to look united,and know the uproar they would create otherwise,he has to be throotled at the ballot box,which he won't accept anyway,What a improbable nightmare that such a blatantly,obviously incompetent "heads I win","tails you lose" 7th grade bully mentality criminal buffoon could ever hold such sway in the US,gotta be on the odds of the "Big Boom" universe theory.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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It's pretty unanimous,w/the 3 lib. judges in tow,they HAVE to look united,and know the uproar they would create otherwise,he has to be throotled at the ballot box,which he won't accept anyway,What a improbable nightmare that such a blatantly,obviously incompetent "heads I win","tails you lose" 7th grade bully mentality criminal buffoon could ever hold such sway in the US,gotta be on the odds of the "Big Boom" universe theory.
My take on it, was they side stepped the issue and if they don't take his immunity case, they won't have to deal with it. If they don't take the immunity case, then Trump goes back to Chutkan for trial in May or June. He will be criminally convicted of J6 crimes before the election and maybe before the GOP convention. Once convicted, his chances of winning would be greatly diminished, and he might be broke by then too.

They can probably avoid the issue entirely, if they don't take up his immunity case next week, he will be convicted and probably lose the election, problem solved. A clever way to weasel out, but you can't have states disqualifying candidates because you know what the red states would do. Lincoln's election caused the civil war, and he wasn't on the ballot in a lot of southern states.
 

Fogdog

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My take on it, was they side stepped the issue and if they don't take his immunity case, they won't have to deal with it. If they don't take the immunity case, then Trump goes back to Chutkan for trial in May or June. He will be criminally convicted of J6 crimes before the election and maybe before the GOP convention. Once convicted, his chances of winning would be greatly diminished, and he might be broke by then too.

They can probably avoid the issue entirely, if they don't take up his immunity case next week, he will be convicted and probably lose the election, problem solved. A clever way to weasel out, but you can't have states disqualifying candidates because you know what the red states would do. Lincoln's election caused the civil war, and he wasn't on the ballot in a lot of southern states.
The trial regarding Trump's crimes he committed when he tried to overthrow the 2020 election isn't over. The jury hasn't decided. They haven't even begun. The Supreme Court hasn't handed down its decision on Trump's disqualification. Yet here we are in a dither. I'm reminded of the haste people wanted a year or so ago when people made posts that demonstrated the patience of a child. We don't get to do this over. One misstep and Trump gets off and is free to commit his next crimes.

If the SCOTUS does what they apparently have already decided to do, which is to rule that Colorado doesn't have the right under our Constitution to exclude Trump from the ballot even though he was found to have committed insurrection in their courts, I think they might be wrong but it won't be over for Trump's journey to failure and ignominy. Then again, they might be right, I haven't heard enough to decide for myself. Also, it appears they were saying, that Congress should write the laws and define the process by which Trump or any future insurrectionist is found disqualified. The Supreme Court's role is to rule on the actions of the legislative and executive branches of government, not to do their job for them. What say you to that?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The trial regarding Trump's crimes he committed when he tried to overthrow the 2020 election isn't over. The jury hasn't decided. They haven't even begun. The Supreme Court hasn't handed down its decision on Trump's disqualification. Yet here we are in a dither. I'm reminded of the haste people wanted a year or so ago when people made posts that demonstrated the patience of a child. We don't get to do this over. One misstep and Trump gets off and is free to commit his next crimes.

If the SCOTUS does what they apparently have already decided to do, which is to rule that Colorado doesn't have the right under our Constitution to exclude Trump from the ballot even though he was found to have committed insurrection in their courts, I think they might be wrong but it won't be over for Trump's journey to failure and ignominy. Then again, they might be right, I haven't heard enough to decide for myself. Also, it appears they were saying, that Congress should write the laws and define the process by which Trump or any future insurrectionist is found disqualified. The Supreme Court's role is to rule on the actions of the legislative and executive branches of government, not to do their job for them. What say you to that?
It's just a theory on their line of thinking and their reasons are valid ones, we will soon see if they refuse to take up the immunity case and there is a tight deadline on that.
 

Fogdog

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It's just a theory on their line of thinking and their reasons are valid ones, we will soon see if they refuse to take up the immunity case and there is a tight deadline on that.
Listening to Ari Melber go over what happened yesterday, I'm minded to listen to his description of the conundrum faced by SCOTUS over this. The vid begins at a time when he talks about the lack of process and clarity over legal standards for what to do and how to fairly decide when a person is disqualified.


The bit I'm referring to begins at 6:06 and goes to 7:17

So, no. I don't think this is over. Nor do am I convinced that SCOTUS is doing anything wrong by asking these questions or making a narrow ruling based upon the case it was presented yesterday.
 

cannabineer

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Then again, they might be right, I haven't heard enough to decide for myself.
Bing. I’m no Constitutional scholar. I know little about the law. And I didn’t sleep behind the dumpster of a Holiday Inn Express.
Also, it appears they were saying, that Congress should write the laws and define the process by which Trump or any future insurrectionist is found disqualified. The Supreme Court's role is to rule on the actions of the legislative and executive branches of government, not to do their job for them. What say you to that?
This sounds about right. They’re not here to make any laws, but to choose some or none of the legislated or ordered options.

Kicking it back to Congress seems like the least bad available action. I don’t know what I expect Congress to do, but a dollar gets you a penny that it’s gonna be a quality shitshow. It might even unseat a few more Republicans come November. Hey, a bear can dream during hibernation.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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My take on this is we have two indisputable facts that they did not address and could not, Trump committed an insurrection and the plain text of section 3 of the 14th supported by other areas of the constitution and the intentions of the founders and framers. There is no mechanism to enforce this constitutional law except the DOJ and what standard of evidence would be used? Congress can act, but often before the fact, not after and laws cannot cover the past.

I think they did the smart thing, and their unanimity indicates this, as did the attitude of the liberal justices. The real acid test though is if they refuse to hear the appeal, then Trump goes through the criminal process this spring or summer. The trial will be spectacular with almost all the witnesses being republicans in an election year too. If he is convicted, his odds of winning will be diminished and if he loses it will be the big house and not the Whitehouse. If congress acts to pass a law depends on who wins in November and by how much.
 
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