Moflow
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Too late to edit but they are actually 6 x White Widow x Sensi Star original clones
The Malawi x Sensi Star originals are in built-in wardrobe. Regular seedlings.
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The Malawi x Sensi Star originals are in built-in wardrobe. Regular seedlings.
Prawn Connery
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El Dorado OG now at two weeks of 12/12. There are five plants in there now, but one of them will be going outside as they continue to stretch and fill the tent. The fifth plant (right in front) is an auto, so is getting a head-start under the lights.
Prawn Connery
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Caramba seedlings doing their thing after coming up to 1.5 weeks after sprouting. Seven in total in the middle of a few clones. Starting to get crowded in there, but I'll trim a few clones that I'm keeping for future grows and the Caramba will be going to new homes probably at the end of next week.
Prawn Connery
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El Dorado OG looking good at about four weeks of flowering. All pretty uniform, although one is an indica leaning pheno (front left) whilst the others are more hybrid/sativa looking. There are four plants in this tent and a fifth one is outside because there wasn't enough room. These are being grown by another grower with a little help from me.
Prawn Connery
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El Dorado OG at almost 5 weeks of flower. This is an 8½-9 week strain. As mentioned, this is not my grow but someone I know.
Moflow
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You'll get different answers.
I count mine from 1st day 12/12.
Prawn Connery
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It has always been widely accepted that the flowering period starts when you flip to the flowering photoperiod, or 12/12. That's the metric most (if not all) seed breeders use.
Having said that, plants will start to show pre-flowers when they are sexually mature, anywhere from around 3-6 weeks from germination, and if a seedling has not reached sexual maturity before flipping to 12/12 then it will delay the onset of flowering.
For this reason, clones usually finish flowering up to a week earlier than seedlings. So a seedling that flowers for 9½ weeks will usually finish in 8½-9 weeks after it is cloned.
Moflow
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Here's six 'Malstar's' Regular seeds.
Paradise Seeds Sensi Star original Fem x Ace Seeds Malawi Male.
50 days from seeds breaking soil. Pinched once, fourth node. ~ 12" tall.
They're small because I kept them in very small pots and low light.
Transplanted about 10 days ago into slightly bigger pots. Just starting to bite into the new soil.
It suits me as I've no room to flower any more plants just yet..
I moved them from wardrobe to attic today for more room. 50 watts 4 x Samsung F Strips 4000K.
Wardrobe light is 50 watt Growgreen board. 2 channels. 3000K 90 CRI and 5000k 90 CRI Samsung's.
Full wardrobe.
Enjoy
Paradise Seeds Sensi Star original Fem x Ace Seeds Malawi Male.
50 days from seeds breaking soil. Pinched once, fourth node. ~ 12" tall.
They're small because I kept them in very small pots and low light.
Transplanted about 10 days ago into slightly bigger pots. Just starting to bite into the new soil.
It suits me as I've no room to flower any more plants just yet..
I moved them from wardrobe to attic today for more room. 50 watts 4 x Samsung F Strips 4000K.
Wardrobe light is 50 watt Growgreen board. 2 channels. 3000K 90 CRI and 5000k 90 CRI Samsung's.
Full wardrobe.
Enjoy
Prawn Connery
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The El Dorado OG are doing great. Here they are at the end of Week 5.
Prawn Connery
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New tent, new lights, new strains.
Homebox 1.2m x 1.2m. 3x Longboards running at 180W each (540W total). Paradise Seeds Citral Widow test seeds in the front x2, Sweetopia in the middle, Atomical haze back right and my own strain, Aussie Superskunk x [Sensi Star x Sweet Tooth#3] back left.
Homebox 1.2m x 1.2m. 3x Longboards running at 180W each (540W total). Paradise Seeds Citral Widow test seeds in the front x2, Sweetopia in the middle, Atomical haze back right and my own strain, Aussie Superskunk x [Sensi Star x Sweet Tooth#3] back left.
Prawn Connery
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It's only bee a couple of days but the plants are really starting to flower now (except the Atomical Haze – it will take a lot longer).
Here is the tent at 2.5 weeks of flower
This Citral-Widow test seed appears to lean more to the Citral side. Very indica, wants to maintain a single cola, and has a sweet citrus-berry smell. Very oily, too.
And this one looks like it is leaning towards the White Widow side, as it likes to branch and has slilghtly longer internodes and a very lime-menthol smell. It started off smaller than the other pheno but stretched more during the first two weeks of flower.
Here is the tent at 2.5 weeks of flower
This Citral-Widow test seed appears to lean more to the Citral side. Very indica, wants to maintain a single cola, and has a sweet citrus-berry smell. Very oily, too.
And this one looks like it is leaning towards the White Widow side, as it likes to branch and has slilghtly longer internodes and a very lime-menthol smell. It started off smaller than the other pheno but stretched more during the first two weeks of flower.
Prawn Connery
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Got an update on the El Dorado OG. Photos sent to me by the grower. They are coming into their eighth week of flower now, so have two weeks to go.
I'm a long time outdoor guy,in the early days when there were no US options and we had Europe(most people through Attitude) and some Canadian banks I tried Sensi Star and it was way too vulnerable to Botrytis, in fact so were Serious's AK-47,Wh. Russian, and Chronic,I had high hopes for all of these as at the time they were rockstar strains. The weather here in SE MA. usually allows for a 1st/2nd week of Oct. pull plug date,anything after is gravy as a cold rain is virtually always in store.I'm sure they are fine indoors however,and I'm certainly not intending to trash the breeders.I've never had anything bad from Paradise Seeds, and I've grown and smoked most of the company's original catalogue. I've even become friends with breeder Luc Kroll over the past 20 years and in that time have been a test grower for strains including Swiss Bliss, Atomical Haze, Ice Cream, Opium, Nebulaze and Super Sensi Star (the last two were never released to the public). I've also grown Sensi Star, Nebula, Dutch Dragon, Sweet Purple, Beladonna, Acid and Wappa – as well as a few of my own crosses made with these genetics.
So after a small break from growing I decided it was time to try some of Luc's newer strains. I will be documenting a few different Paradise Seeds strains that have recently been released and I will be starting all the seeds. However, some of these strains will be going to other homes to finish flowering, so this should be an interesting thread with different strains and growers all doing their thing.
If anyone wants to share their experiences with Paradise Seeds, please post them here! Anyone can join this thread – all welcome.
Initially I will document the following strains: Rainbow Road, Tangerine Sorbet, Wappa, Sunset Paradise – and maybe one or two others.
Rainbow Road
This is one I've been waiting to try for a while. It's described as Paradise Seeds' biggest yielding sativa. I like sativas
Strain description is in the link above, but this is a 60/40 sativa/indica that is a cross of Hindu Kush and Strawberry Sativa. Indoor yields are described as "monsterous", which you would expect for a 10-week strain.
I soaked 5 feminised seeds in a shot glass of water, and the next day they had all sunk to the bottom (unviable seeds usually float), after which I transferred them to some damp paper towel on top of my coffee machine (which keeps them warm and hastens propagation). Within 48 hours, all 5 seeds had sprouted and grown tails, and just two days later, all the seeds had popped out of their new coco homes and were doing well.
For the record, these seedings were started in straight coco with Hygen nutrients under a High Light 420 Gen2 3500K LED running at 100-150W in a small tent.
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After 10 days they looked like this. There was already a bit of variation showing, with the middle plant being a bit more stretchy-sativa than the others, whilst the bottom right plant mutated almost immediately, growing three main stems that became apparent only after it had grown a bit more. Unfortunately I gave them all a hot-shot of nutrient after this and a few leaves suffered and the plants slowed down for a few days until I had flushed and they had recovered. That's what you get for not growing for a while . . .
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A week later, they were back on track with only a slight amount of burn to some of the leaves, mainly on the more sativa pheno.
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And three days later all the plants were at about three weeks of veg since popping up. There isn't too much variation at this stage, but there are some sublte differences in growth, with one particular plant showing short, squat growth (the mutated plant, see post below this one), and another showing its legs (the sativa), whilst the remaining three plants are in-between. All the plants have nice thick main stems and the growth and leaf structure appear to lean a little more to the indica side than sativa, IMO. Under 18/6 these plants are pretty average feeders, although they really seem to have taken off in the past few days and there are no more signs of nutrient excess. They are getting a bit of extra Cal-Mag and I am setting the pH at about 5.8 going in and measuring up to 6.5 coming out – which is right where it should be. pH will slowly rise in a heathy system as the plants use up their nutrient. Allowing pH drift enables all nutrients to be available to the plant at different times.
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Mutant indica pheno top left.
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Sativa pheno top right.
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Prawn Connery
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Unfortunately you're going to get that with a lot of indicas due to their structure.
If you want to grow outdoors you either need a hardier (mould-resistant ) variety or you need to find one that finishes flowering early, before the wet weather and humidity sets in. That includes auto-flowers.
The strongest photoperiod I've grown is Wappa: https://www.paradise-seeds.com/feminized-cannabis-seeds/wappa/
I can't guarantee you won't get botrytis but it has been more resiliant than other strains I've grown. I always recommend it as a commercial strain because it is easy to grow and produces big yields. It also has a nice sativa-dominant high.
Thanks,I'm at it almost 40 yrs. now,I grow multiple strains so success is guaranteed,I grow in pots and shelter from bad weather,autos have never impressed me much(glueberry og D. Passion one of the better ones I've done),seem designed for inside where you can bomb them w/ light,have done more strains and breeders than I can list here,main regret (for outdoor grows) is genetics die every year,I've had some phenos that I'd have preserved if I was inside for sure. One thing I've noticed since it's 100% Breeder seeds now is seedling vigor,I've had bagweed seeds when I was a kid that exploded after germination,now not so much and the fact that we are now into poly-hybrid crossing is making the variation of a what a seedpack produces a crap shoot in many instances.I usually do pretty big time/labor consuming grows and am getting up there in yrs/energy when taking having a pys. job along w/exercising regularly.But the habit of doing it all these yrs. make scaling back hard,if I plan to do 10 strains before you know it I'm germinating 15 strains,HAPPY HOLIDAYS
Prawn Connery
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Thanks mate. I don't have much trouble germinating seeds, even with the modern strains. I just germinated 7 out of 7 Caramba seeds and one of them was so vigorous it actually vbusrt out of the seed casing whilst it was soaking and I found the little embryo floating on the surface when I checked after 24 hours. I hope to get ome photos of that "seedling" soon as it is already about 3 weeks into flower and being grown by a friend and it is the standout plants amongst the 7. Caramba is a Wappa cross. Wappa was derived from an older Skunk variety. It is very vigorous.
I wish I had more to offer but I only grow 1 or 2 plants outside each year and I live in a pretty hot and dry climate, so botrytis isn't a big problem for me when I do.
P.S. If you are interested you could always email Paradise Seeds and ask. They are usually pretty helpful if you ask for an outdoor variety that is mould-resistant.
Germination, I don't mean popping,I'm talking the slow,meandering seedling stage where they make SLOW progress for a couple weeks.
Mate?,guess your Aussie or N. Z.,maybe S Africa,cool,can't understand Rugby(chaotic) and damn the poisonous snakes (SCARY),I
m in New England USA and no wildlife here can kill me,take care.
Prawn Connery
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Aussie mate
Did you see the first page of this thread? Time-line seedling growth. You can see what my plants do in the first two weeks. I don't think they are that slow. On this page you'll see the El Dorado OG I sprouted and grew out for two weeks before they went straight into 12/12.
I know there's alot of genetic bottle-necking going on out there with all these cookies strains, but there are still some older genetics and good strains out there.