The Long March to 11/24

[DIY-HP-LED]

I see the disqualification trial as something separate from the click bait poll you posted earlier. We are seeing history being made in the disqualification trial. It is the first time that the 14th amendment has been tested to determine if it may be used to disqualify a candidate from running for president. So, yes, it's important. I think it will set an important precedent that should be reviewed by the SCOTUS and either struck down or confirmed. Personally, I'm of two minds on this matter. I agree with those who say it is the electorate who should decide who should be prez. On the other hand, I agree with the people who wrote that clause in the 14th that reasonably prevents a person who violated their oath to protect the Constitution from holding an office that is empowered by the Constitution. This is a sensible measure and ensures the continuance of our Constitutional Republic.

Yes, things look bad for Trump. Yes he could be cleaned out by being held accountable for fraud that netted him hundreds of millions of profit from lower interest rates than he would not have received had he submitted honest statements to banks. Yes he should be held accountable for trying to overthrow the election. But at this time, whether or not he can be disqualified from holding any office in government, from President to dog catcher remains to be seen. We are seeing history being made here and we are only spectators, not deciders. I am fascinated by what is going on and agree that the result will be monumental regardless what is decided. There is no need to follow our thoughts down rabbit holes into "if land" where speculation is based on something that has yet to be realized.

It's a bit like chess foggy, you try to think a couple of moves ahead and map out possibilities if something happened like disqualification. It might have immediate consequences for his pretrial release for instance, it would sure have consequences for the GOP. The only reason all those Trump clones are in the GOP race is that they believe Trump will be disqualified too, otherwise they would not bother running, they believe the field will open up with him gone from the primaries. I think Mitch and a lot of other republicans are counting on Trump being disqualified, but he will bitch and moan like the rest over it, but not too much. In any case we will soon find out more about disqualification when the first court decision drops in a few weeks at the most.

 

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MUST-WATCH: "National Popular Vote Compact" SURGES into spotlight

 

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MUST-WATCH: "National Popular Vote Compact" SURGES into spotlight

It will happen the same time the GOP stops gerrymandering.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

It will happen the same time the GOP stops gerrymandering.

They only need a few more states to come on board and we will see how the 2024 election goes, nothing in America can be predicted until we know how the vote pans out in 24, a crucial election IMO. Every election cycle, several million mostly old white voters die and are replaced by a younger more ethnically diverse generation. Sooner or later demographics will catch up to the good ole boys party as I don't expect them to change soon. 2024 however is shaping up to be a perfect storm for the GOP with Trump going down in flames and Maga Mike as the poster child for the abortion issue as GOP speaker with a year to go until election day and Tommy Tuberville holding up military promotions and fucking with readiness. The GOP are on the wrong side of many issues with popular public support like abortion, guns and healthcare among other things. Their first priority seems to be cutting taxes for the super-rich, protecting wealthy tax cheats and elite criminals like Trump.

 

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They only need a few more states to come on board and we will see how the 2024 election goes, nothing in America can be predicted until we know how the vote pans out in 24, a crucial election IMO. Every election cycle, several million mostly old white voters die and are replaced by a younger more ethnically diverse generation. Sooner or later demographics will catch up to the good ole boys party as I don't expect them to change soon. 2024 however is shaping up to be a perfect storm for the GOP with Trump going down in flames and Maga Mike as the poster child for the abortion issue as GOP speaker with a year to go until election day and Tommy Tuberville holding up military promotions and fucking with readiness. The GOP are on the wrong side of many issues with popular public support like abortion, guns and healthcare among other things. Their first priority seems to be cutting taxes for the super-rich, protecting wealthy tax cheats and elite criminals like Trump.

Back to the EC, how much is needed in terms of votes to do away with it (which I thought you were replying to until I read your reply) and is there a chance that it will be eliminated? I say less chance than gerrymandering going the way of the dodo bird.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Back to the EC, how much is needed in terms of votes to do away with it (which I thought you were replying to until I read your reply) and is there a chance that it will be eliminated? I say less chance than gerrymandering going the way of the dodo bird.

They need 270 electoral votes and are likely to be over 200 before the election. It is an interstate compact of states that pass laws to support the winner of the national popular vote for POTUS, they need enough states to total 270 and they can then effectively bypass the EC, not do away with it, just make it pointless. Their electors representing the majority of the popular vote in the country elect the president.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Back to the EC, how much is needed in terms of votes to do away with it (which I thought you were replying to until I read your reply) and is there a chance that it will be eliminated? I say less chance than gerrymandering going the way of the dodo bird.

The results of the 2024 election could have the biggest impact on whether the president is elected by the popular vote in America. I would expect constitutional challenges to it though, but a lot of lawyers are behind it and think it can work.

 

[Fogdog]

Back to the EC, how much is needed in terms of votes to do away with it (which I thought you were replying to until I read your reply) and is there a chance that it will be eliminated? I say less chance than gerrymandering going the way of the dodo bird.

It won't happen this decade. Never is a big word but agree we'll have the votes to get rid of gerrymandering about the same time the EC is relegated to the dust bin.

It requires a national change in the political landscape. Demographic shift makes that change likely but not soon..

 

[Fogdog]

The results of the 2024 election could have the biggest impact on whether the president is elected by the popular vote in America. I would expect constitutional challenges to it though, but a lot of lawyers are behind it and think it can work.

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[DIY-HP-LED]

It won't happen this decade. Never is a big word but agree we'll have the votes to get rid of gerrymandering about the same time the EC is relegated to the dust bin.

It requires a national change in the political landscape. Demographic shift makes that change likely but not soon..

The fellow behind the effort seems more optimistic and they are edging closer to it, 2024 might see a major upset in some red states, the governor's race in Mississippi is neck in neck. Another state with democratic statewide officers at odds with gerrymandered legislatures perhaps.

 

[Fogdog]

The fellow behind the effort seems more optimistic and they are edging closer to it, 2024 might see a major upset in some red states, the governor's race in Mississippi is neck in neck. Another state with democratic statewide officers at odds with gerrymandered legislatures perhaps.

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They need 270 electoral votes and are likely to be over 200 before the election. It is an interstate compact of states that pass laws to support the winner of the national popular vote for POTUS, they need enough states to total 270 and they can then effectively bypass the EC, not do away with it, just make it pointless. Their electors representing the majority of the popular vote in the country elect the president.

MUST-WATCH: "National Popular Vote Compact" SURGES into spotlight

"Effort to ELIMINATE Electoral College"

"Changing or eliminating the Electoral College can be accomplished only by an amendment to the Constitution, which requires the consent of two-thirds of Congress and three-fourths of the states."

In other words, you are not answering the question.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

"Effort to ELIMINATE Electoral College"

"Changing or eliminating the Electoral College can be accomplished only by an amendment to the Constitution, which requires the consent of two-thirds of Congress and three-fourths of the states."

In other words, you are not answering the question.

Not being a constitutional expert, I depend on the expertise of others and so far,14 states have passed this with 2 more likely. It does not do away with the EC, states' rights when it comes to elections remember. Senators used to be appointed by the states, not elected and could still be as far as I know. If a majority in a state vote for a candidate and the national vote were contrary, but they were part of this compact by law, I can see a court case.

 

[Fogdog]

"Effort to ELIMINATE Electoral College"

"Changing or eliminating the Electoral College can be accomplished only by an amendment to the Constitution, which requires the consent of two-thirds of Congress and three-fourths of the states."

In other words, you are not answering the question.

The Popular National Vote agreement between states does not amend the Constitution. You aren't the first one to raise this issue. From the website on this issue:

9.1.1 MYTH: A federal constitutional amendment is necessary for changing the current method of electing the President.
QUICK ANSWER:

• The U.S. Constitution gives the states the “exclusive” and “plenary” power to choose the method of awarding their electoral votes.
• The shortcomings of the current system of electing the President stem from state winner-take-all statutes that award all of a state’s electoral votes to the candidate who receives the most popular votes within each separate state.
• The state-by-state winner-take-all method of awarding electoral votes is not in the U.S. Constitution. It was not debated at the Constitutional Convention. It was not discussed in the Federalist Papers.
• The winner-take-all rule was used by only three states in the nation’s first presidential election in 1789 (all of which abandoned it by 1800). The Founders were dead for decades before the winner-take-all rule became the predominant method of awarding electoral votes.
• Maine and Nebraska currently award electoral votes by congressional district—a reminder that the method of awarding electoral votes is a state decision.
• The winner-take-all rule is used today in 48 of the 50 states because it was enacted as a state statute in those states, under the same provision of the U.S. Constitution (empowering the states to choose the method of awarding their electoral votes) being used to enact the National Popular Vote plan.
• Winner-take-all statutes may be repealed in the same way they were enacted—namely, through each state’s process for enacting and repealing state laws. Therefore, a federal constitutional amendment is not necessary to change the state-by-state winner-take-all method of awarding electoral votes.
• The Constitution’s grant of exclusive power to the states to decide how presidential elections are conducted was not a historical accident or mistake, but was intended as a “check and balance” on a sitting President who, in conjunction with a compliant Congress, might manipulate election rules to perpetuate himself in office.

It will be tested, in court. It's not settled one way or the other.

9.1 Myths about the U.S. Constitution

9.1.1 MYTH: A federal constitutional amendment is necessary for changing the current method of electing the President. 9.1.2 MYTH: The traditional and appropriate way of changing the method of electing the President is by means of a federal constitutional amendment. 9.1.3 MYTH: The Electoral...

www.nationalpopularvote.com

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

That's the ticket! Nominate George Washington and run as his VP!

Four surprises that could upend the 2024 US election

A year ahead of the US presidential election, and anything could happen.

www.bbc.com

If the worst happens in mid October 2024, their name would still be on the national ballot. According to the constitution, you can run while dead even if you can't be sworn in.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I do, it shakes one's faith in democracy, maybe these fascist assholes are onto something, maybe America is not fit for the franchise and so they will just take it away from them for their own good.

I know the election is a year away and that is the only poll that counts, but this speaks to something deeper, the fact that Trump is even being considered as fit for office by so many. All one can say is if America is stupid enough to elect this clear and present existential threat to the constitution, they will deserve what they get, God help the rest and us too. Do the people of Gaza deserve Hamas? They will get the consequences of their actions whether they voted for them or not.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721279986290532582

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

My pessimistic cynicism above has reasons, and this one is among them. I'm seriously hoping for disqualification here folks, so should you, otherwise 24 will be a fucking nightmare in America with the Russian's and Elon all in on the propaganda war.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721285735523999834

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Joe vs the worst human being on the planet with 91 felony indictments and more to come, dozens of lawsuits, tried once to overthrow the US constitution and remain in office as a tyrant and vows to do it again, this time with a better recently exposed plan. Yet 80% of US voters believe Biden won the 2020 election, go figure.

Biden is too old, but trump is only a couple of years younger and in far worse physical and mental shape. Joe is a highly intelligent man and Donald is clearly a moron who demonstrates it repeatedly. Jesus Christ!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721501427867037748

 

[topcat]

Polls huh? Pfft.

 

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Heilemann: Some Democratic voters don’t see Trump as an existential threat…yet

The Circus' John Heilemann discusses recent polling that shows former President Trump leading Biden in five battleground states and why Biden is currently lagging with some Democratic voters.