Yesterday's Mass Shooting.

[Unclebaldrick]

Several people shot and killed in the last few days because they simply got lost or turned into the wrong driveway.

That's seriously fucked up.

The Rocky Horror Picture Show would have never gotten through the first act.

We have really lost a lot in the last few decades.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Several people shot and killed in the last few days because they simply got lost or turned into the wrong driveway.

That's seriously fucked up.

The Rocky Horror Picture Show would have never gotten through the first act.

We have really lost a lot in the last few decades.

Stand your ground laws.

 

[Polly Wog]

Vanderbilt psychiatrist on rash of shootings: 'People are trained to see other people as threats'

1,373 views Apr 20, 2023 #Gunreform #Guns #MSNBC
Dr. Jonathan Metzl, Professor of Psychiatry at Vanderbilt University, joins Ana Cabrera to talk about the climate surrounding a series of recent mass shootings, and why harmless everyday mistakes have led to knee-jerk reactions to pull the trigger. Dr. Metzl dives into the consequences of an increasingly armed society and how laws like ‘stand your ground’ negatively affect human behavior.

Dehumanizing is always used.

 

[printer]

Texas man fired at police before surrendering to FBI for Jan. 6 charges: officials
A Texas man charged in connection with the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol allegedly shot at law enforcement ahead of his first court appearance and has been hit with an additional federal firearm charge, officials said.

Nathan Pelham, of Greenville, Texas, has now been charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm, in addition to the four misdemeanor counts related to his alleged participation in the Jan. 6 Capitol breach, the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Northern District of Texas said in a release. According to the attorney’s office, Pelham, 40, is a previously convicted felon.

The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia charged Pelham with the Jan. 6 misdemeanors earlier this month. An FBI agent notified him of the charges on April 12 and told him to self-surrender five days later, which he agreed to do, according to the release.
But on the night of the April 12, local law enforcement went to Pelham’s residence for a welfare check “in response to a call from a relative, who advised deputies that Mr. Pelham had a gun,” the release reads.

Deputies allegedly “heard gunshots emanating from the residence” upon arrival. An hour later, Pelham “walked onto the porch and allegedly fired towards several deputies, who could be heard on body-worn camera video noting bullets ‘whiz’ by them.”

According to the attorney’s office, Pelham was asked to put his gun down but “continued to waive it” and reentered his home — he then exited his home again that night and allegedly fired multiple rounds.

“A subsequent search of Mr. Pelham’s home revealed a Smith & Wesson 9mm pistol and four boxes of ammunition, as well as several 9mm sized holes in the walls,” the release notes.

If convicted, Pelham could face up to 15 years in prison on the gun charge and three years on the misdemeanors.

The Department of Justice has sought to crack down on Jan. 6 participants and reports more than 1,000 individuals have been arrested for related crimes, including more than 320 individuals charged with assaulting or impeding law enforcement.

Texas man fired at police before surrendering to FBI for Jan. 6 charges: officials

A Texas man charged in connection with the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol allegedly shot at law enforcement ahead of his first court appearance and has been hit with an additional federal f…

thehill.com

Should be listed in the Dumb As Fuck department?

 

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Texas man fired at police before surrendering to FBI for Jan. 6 charges: officials
A Texas man charged in connection with the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol allegedly shot at law enforcement ahead of his first court appearance and has been hit with an additional federal firearm charge, officials said.

Nathan Pelham, of Greenville, Texas, has now been charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm, in addition to the four misdemeanor counts related to his alleged participation in the Jan. 6 Capitol breach, the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Northern District of Texas said in a release. According to the attorney’s office, Pelham, 40, is a previously convicted felon.

The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia charged Pelham with the Jan. 6 misdemeanors earlier this month. An FBI agent notified him of the charges on April 12 and told him to self-surrender five days later, which he agreed to do, according to the release.
But on the night of the April 12, local law enforcement went to Pelham’s residence for a welfare check “in response to a call from a relative, who advised deputies that Mr. Pelham had a gun,” the release reads.

Deputies allegedly “heard gunshots emanating from the residence” upon arrival. An hour later, Pelham “walked onto the porch and allegedly fired towards several deputies, who could be heard on body-worn camera video noting bullets ‘whiz’ by them.”

According to the attorney’s office, Pelham was asked to put his gun down but “continued to waive it” and reentered his home — he then exited his home again that night and allegedly fired multiple rounds.

“A subsequent search of Mr. Pelham’s home revealed a Smith & Wesson 9mm pistol and four boxes of ammunition, as well as several 9mm sized holes in the walls,” the release notes.

If convicted, Pelham could face up to 15 years in prison on the gun charge and three years on the misdemeanors.

The Department of Justice has sought to crack down on Jan. 6 participants and reports more than 1,000 individuals have been arrested for related crimes, including more than 320 individuals charged with assaulting or impeding law enforcement.

Texas man fired at police before surrendering to FBI for Jan. 6 charges: officials

A Texas man charged in connection with the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol allegedly shot at law enforcement ahead of his first court appearance and has been hit with an additional federal f…

thehill.com

Should be listed in the Dumb As Fuck department?

He must have been white as snow; I can't imagine a black guy who shot at cops living. From his treatment it looks like he's got some white privilege at least until the FBI showed up.

 

[sweetisland2009]

He was waiting for someone to come into his driveway so he could shoot them, and had a gun ready to do so, he was out on the deck shooting in seconds as they were reserving out to turn around. No more than a few seconds passed since he saw them at the foot of his driveway and got out the door with the gun and shot them while they were backing out. Too bad he didn't live in Florida, or he could have got off for "Standing his ground".

Assholes like this should never have had a gun in the first place, it wasn't an accidental tragedy, it was murder in the 1st degree, not second degree, he made preparations for murder, mentally and physically. No remorse tells you everything you need to know about him, he isn't normal, most men would have trouble living with themselves after that.

Kaylin Gillis: Driveway shooting suspect shows no remorse - police

A young woman was killed in New York state when her car pulled up in the wrong driveway.

www.bbc.com

cant wait to here your in depth analysis about this guy. Just look at that record! Considering he is a felon, I wonder what gun laws he was following? I wonder if he was a Christian? For sure NRA member though

Police arrest man who allegedly shot 6-year-old when basketball rolled into yard

A North Carolina man allegedly shot a 6-year-old girl, her parents and an additional neighbor after a basketball rolled into his yard.

abcnews.go.com

Robert Louis Singletary, wanted in shooting of NC family, was arrested for alleged sledgehammer assault

Robert Louis Singletary, who remains on the run after allegedly shooting a six-year-old and her parents was previously arrested for allegedly attacking his girlfriend.

nypost.com

 

[Fogdog]

cant wait to here your in depth analysis about this guy. Just look at that record! Considering he is a felon, I wonder what gun laws he was following? I wonder if he was a Christian? For sure NRA member though

Police arrest man who allegedly shot 6-year-old when basketball rolled into yard

A North Carolina man allegedly shot a 6-year-old girl, her parents and an additional neighbor after a basketball rolled into his yard.

abcnews.go.com

Robert Louis Singletary, wanted in shooting of NC family, was arrested for alleged sledgehammer assault

Robert Louis Singletary, who remains on the run after allegedly shooting a six-year-old and her parents was previously arrested for allegedly attacking his girlfriend.

nypost.com

He bought his gun with the same reason you have yours. So you have something in common. Maybe you should send him cookies.

 

[Fogdog]

I'm a habitually angry person...I have a minuscule amount of patience, and i have a gun...In 57 years, i have managed to NOT shoot anyone...Because, contrary to the beliefs of some, I AM sane...
Whether it is acceptable as a legal defense or not, being able to rationalize attempted murder for a minor annoyance makes you fucking crazy.
Having the desire to kill a bunch of school children qualifies you, as far as i'm concerned, and so does shooting someone through a door or from your porch, with no attempt at all to find out why they are there...
If you prefer to say that they are just fucking evil, bad people, that works...evil, crazy, bad....it all means the same thing...

Slightly off topic but I'll circle back to what I'm thinking. The Challenger space shuttle disaster was caused by a piece of foam insulation that broke free from the ship's insulating coating and gouged a hole in the craft's left wing during re-entry which cascaded into the losing the craft and lives of its crewmembers. During reviews and investigations into the accident, photos from earlier flights showed holes from insulation breaking off. It showed that the shuttle flight teams had seen the same thing happen before but didn't land in a critical area. That kind of event is called a near miss. It is a predictor of failure. Near misses are when something happens and only one more event will cause death, injury or mission failure. When people's lives are on the line, programs should track near misses as if they are failures and take action to prevent them. Obviously, NASA's shuttle program did not recognize the risk because every flight had damage due to the same cause that took down Challenger and they didn't do anything about it.

A near miss. That's what happens when people draw their guns without a clear and present danger. Like when @ActionianJacksonian drew his Glock because he was scared of a white van driving down his driveway in the middle of the day. Yes, he did not fire but he was just one bad decision away from killing a lost delivery driver. Every time a gun is drawn without a clear and present danger, the risk to everybody around the gun-man is put at risk for no good reason. I agree that some people are more likely to do that when they are mentally unstable but there is no good way to assess who is more likely to make that mistake except when a person is extremely unstable. So one must lump all people who draw their gun for no good reason together to understand the risk of gun ownership. Concealed carry is less risky than holding the gun in one's hand but only a little. I'm not talking out my ass, we see it happen more and more each day and it's very predictable that these accidents will happen.

It is an excuse to compartmentalize people who did the awful things with their guns who are not insane. Most people don't qualify for the legal standard of mental illness. That is reserved for people who are unable to distinguish between right and wrong. The woman who murdered a bunch of school children knew she was doing wrong and did it anyway. She was not insane. No more insane than the old man in Kansas city or the guy who shot that woman in the driveway. Or the guy who shot the girl's father over a basketball in his yard There was nothing in our system that could have prevented them from owning a gun.

These people can't be filtered out beforehand from the vast majority of other gun owners who swear up and down that they would never make the kind of mistake or fatally bad judgement "the other person did". It's our lax laws and people who don't understand they are making a mistake when they buy, much less carry a gun for self defense. It's a fallacy for most. They buy and carry a gun without making themselves any more safe than if they did not carry it and at the same time get closer to the time where one mistake would cause a tragedy.

 

[Budley Doright]

I'm a habitually angry person...I have a minuscule amount of patience, and i have a gun...In 57 years, i have managed to NOT shoot anyone...Because, contrary to the beliefs of some, I AM sane...
Whether it is acceptable as a legal defense or not, being able to rationalize attempted murder for a minor annoyance makes you fucking crazy.
Having the desire to kill a bunch of school children qualifies you, as far as i'm concerned, and so does shooting someone through a door or from your porch, with no attempt at all to find out why they are there...
If you prefer to say that they are just fucking evil, bad people, that works...evil, crazy, bad....it all means the same thing...

I prefer evil motherfucker, crazy seems to reduce culpability, at least in the legal sense.

 

[cannabineer]

Slightly off topic but I'll circle back to what I'm thinking. The Challenger space shuttle disaster was caused by a piece of foam insulation that broke free from the ship's insulating coating and gouged a hole in the craft's left wing during re-entry which cascaded into the losing the craft and lives of its crewmembers. During reviews and investigations into the accident, photos from earlier flights showed holes from insulation breaking off. It showed that the shuttle flight teams had seen the same thing happen before but didn't land in a critical area. That kind of event is called a near miss. It is a predictor of failure. Near misses are when something happens and only one more event will cause death, injury or mission failure. When people's lives are on the line, programs should track near misses as if they are failures and take action to prevent them. Obviously, NASA's shuttle program did not recognize the risk because every flight had damage due to the same cause that took down Challenger and they didn't do anything about it.

A near miss. That's what happens when people draw their guns without a clear and present danger. Like when @ActionianJacksonian drew his Glock because he was scared of a white van driving down his driveway in the middle of the day. Yes, he did not fire but he was just one bad decision away from killing a lost delivery driver. Every time a gun is drawn without a clear and present danger, the risk to everybody around the gun-man is put at risk for no good reason. I agree that some people are more likely to do that when they are mentally unstable but there is no good way to assess who is more likely to make that mistake except when a person is extremely unstable. So one must lump all people who draw their gun for no good reason together to understand the risk of gun ownership. Concealed carry is less risky than holding the gun in one's hand but only a little. I'm not talking out my ass, we see it happen more and more each day and it's very predictable that these accidents will happen.

It is an excuse to compartmentalize people who did the awful things with their guns who are not insane. Most people don't qualify for the legal standard of mental illness. That is reserved for people who are unable to distinguish between right and wrong. The woman who murdered a bunch of school children knew she was doing wrong and did it anyway. She was not insane. No more insane than the old man in Kansas city or the guy who shot that woman in the driveway. Or the guy who shot the girl's father over a basketball in his yard There was nothing in our system that could have prevented them from owning a gun.

These people can't be filtered out beforehand from the vast majority of other gun owners who swear up and down that they would never make the kind of mistake or fatally bad judgement "the other person did". It's our lax laws and people who don't understand they are making a mistake when they buy, much less carry a gun for self defense. It's a fallacy for most. They buy and carry a gun without making themselves any more safe than if they did not carry it and at the same time get closer to the time where one mistake would cause a tragedy.

The shuttle thing is an apt comparison.

Something else that comes to me is that the argument that having/carrying the pistol makes one safer is often made by people who will tell you that the vaccine is worse than the disease.

Both are easily disproven and detrimental, but the need to confirm an ideology tends to lead toward the cognitively dissonant choice to reject the fact in support of the creed, even when the creed leads to thousands of preventable deaths and many more serious injuries.

It’s a step past pitching the baby with the bathwater. It’s pitching the baby, and keeping and worshiping the bathwater — as a memorial to the dear deceased infant.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

cant wait to here your in depth analysis about this guy. Just look at that record! Considering he is a felon, I wonder what gun laws he was following? I wonder if he was a Christian? For sure NRA member though

Police arrest man who allegedly shot 6-year-old when basketball rolled into yard

A North Carolina man allegedly shot a 6-year-old girl, her parents and an additional neighbor after a basketball rolled into his yard.

abcnews.go.com

Robert Louis Singletary, wanted in shooting of NC family, was arrested for alleged sledgehammer assault

Robert Louis Singletary, who remains on the run after allegedly shooting a six-year-old and her parents was previously arrested for allegedly attacking his girlfriend.

nypost.com

He's a murderer and a jury will find him to be one. Some home defense all right, the house will be gone in the lawsuit already filed, if the legal fees don't take it first. Meanwhile our he-ro is gonna be cornholed by his cellmate until he dies.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Slightly off topic but I'll circle back to what I'm thinking. The Challenger space shuttle disaster was caused by a piece of foam insulation that broke free from the ship's insulating coating and gouged a hole in the craft's left wing during re-entry which cascaded into the losing the craft and lives of its crewmembers. During reviews and investigations into the accident, photos from earlier flights showed holes from insulation breaking off. It showed that the shuttle flight teams had seen the same thing happen before but didn't land in a critical area. That kind of event is called a near miss. It is a predictor of failure. Near misses are when something happens and only one more event will cause death, injury or mission failure. When people's lives are on the line, programs should track near misses as if they are failures and take action to prevent them. Obviously, NASA's shuttle program did not recognize the risk because every flight had damage due to the same cause that took down Challenger and they didn't do anything about it.

A near miss. That's what happens when people draw their guns without a clear and present danger. Like when @ActionianJacksonian drew his Glock because he was scared of a white van driving down his driveway in the middle of the day. Yes, he did not fire but he was just one bad decision away from killing a lost delivery driver. Every time a gun is drawn without a clear and present danger, the risk to everybody around the gun-man is put at risk for no good reason. I agree that some people are more likely to do that when they are mentally unstable but there is no good way to assess who is more likely to make that mistake except when a person is extremely unstable. So one must lump all people who draw their gun for no good reason together to understand the risk of gun ownership. Concealed carry is less risky than holding the gun in one's hand but only a little. I'm not talking out my ass, we see it happen more and more each day and it's very predictable that these accidents will happen.

It is an excuse to compartmentalize people who did the awful things with their guns who are not insane. Most people don't qualify for the legal standard of mental illness. That is reserved for people who are unable to distinguish between right and wrong. The woman who murdered a bunch of school children knew she was doing wrong and did it anyway. She was not insane. No more insane than the old man in Kansas city or the guy who shot that woman in the driveway. Or the guy who shot the girl's father over a basketball in his yard There was nothing in our system that could have prevented them from owning a gun.

These people can't be filtered out beforehand from the vast majority of other gun owners who swear up and down that they would never make the kind of mistake or fatally bad judgement "the other person did". It's our lax laws and people who don't understand they are making a mistake when they buy, much less carry a gun for self defense. It's a fallacy for most. They buy and carry a gun without making themselves any more safe than if they did not carry it and at the same time get closer to the time where one mistake would cause a tragedy.

i'm not talking about whether or not they qualify for a legal defense, i'm talking about from a societal, human viewpoint...anyone who would take another persons life in anything less than self defense is fucking crazy. anyone who kills someone over stupid shit they've allowed to influence them is fucking crazy. They are outside normal, socially acceptable behavior, by a large margin and in a dramatic way...That isn't crazy?
do they qualify for being locked up in a mental institution? definitely. Will a prison do? probably not as well, but anything to get them off the streets. the only difference is when you get put in a mental institution, THEY decide when you can go home, not a judge that has no training in mental health.

 

[cannabineer]

i'm not talking about whether or not they qualify for a legal defense, i'm talking about from a societal, human viewpoint...anyone who would take another persons life in anything less than self defense is fucking crazy. anyone who kills someone over stupid shit they've allowed to influence them is fucking crazy. They are outside normal, socially acceptable behavior, by a large margin and in a dramatic way...That isn't crazy?
do they qualify for being locked up in a mental institution? definitely. Will a prison do? probably not as well, but anything to get them off the streets. the only difference is when you get put in a mental institution, THEY decide when you can go home, not a judge that has no training in mental health.

Is sociopathy insanity?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Is sociopathy insanity?

i always thought so...not the raving lunatic, talking to giant invisible rabbits kind of insanity, but i think it at least qualifies as neuroses...and it can quite certainly cause you to make otherwise unreasonable decisions.

 

[cannabineer]

i always thought so...not the raving lunatic, talking to giant invisible rabbits kind of insanity, but i think it at least qualifies as neuroses...and it can quite certainly cause you to make otherwise unreasonable decisions.

Yeah imo it’s an open question. Sociopaths are by and large rational. But there may be a cognitive breach underlying the phenomenon. I don’t know.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

i always thought so...not the raving lunatic, talking to giant invisible rabbits kind of insanity, but i think it at least qualifies as neuroses...and it can quite certainly cause you to make otherwise unreasonable decisions.

The world would be a better place if we locked up the sociopaths and pathological narcissists, instead of those with Schizophrenia.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Yeah imo it’s an open question. Sociopaths are by and large rational. But there may be a cognitive breach underlying the phenomenon. I don’t know.

some people are more social than the average, and some are less, and that doesn't make you crazy...
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/antisocial-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20353928
does that ^ behavior make one crazy? or just a fucking asshole?...I'm honestly not sure either, but it does make you abnormal, and a much better candidate to later flip shit and do something that will get you in the news...

 

[printer]

I was in the psych ward once (actually many times but I had a card to let me out ) and there was a guy at the desk with someone asking him to sign some papers. He threw his hands away like the papers were on fire and said, "I may be crazy but I am not stupid. I know what those papers mean..." I can not remember what else he said. They were papers to have him committed long term and he was sane enough to know it.

Where these people stand on the line between stupid and crazy? I hear they can correct crazy in some instances. Stupid, seems a lot harder today.

 

[cannabineer]

I was in the psych ward once (actually many times but I had a card to let me out ) and there was a guy at the desk with someone asking him to sign some papers. He threw his hands away like the papers were on fire and said, "I may be crazy but I am not stupid. I know what those papers mean..." I can not remember what else he said. They were papers to have him committed long term and he was sane enough to know it.

Where these people stand on the line between stupid and crazy? I hear they can correct crazy in some instances. Stupid, seems a lot harder today.

 

[Fogdog]

i'm not talking about whether or not they qualify for a legal defense, i'm talking about from a societal, human viewpoint...anyone who would take another persons life in anything less than self defense is fucking crazy. anyone who kills someone over stupid shit they've allowed to influence them is fucking crazy. They are outside normal, socially acceptable behavior, by a large margin and in a dramatic way...That isn't crazy?
do they qualify for being locked up in a mental institution? definitely. Will a prison do? probably not as well, but anything to get them off the streets. the only difference is when you get put in a mental institution, THEY decide when you can go home, not a judge that has no training in mental health.

Excluding people who are legally and clinically crazy, calling somebody crazy after the fact is an excuse and not part of a productive discussion. We have an unacceptably high rate of gun homicide .Excusing gun owners, the ones who are preventing corrective action, by compartmentalizing people who take a life for no good reason as "crazy" is an excuse and not at all helpful.