Hey, politics, religion, uh..not race, was it race or sex, that you're not supposed to discuss?
Examples of GOP Leadership
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DIY-HP-LED
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I was being more insulting than serious!
She is a shame to her district, and they need to own her.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Money
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
still, replace “had” with “chose”. They plainly have a million better choices, but she knew whom to uhm influence.I was being more insulting than serious!
DIY-HP-LED
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Maybe start rating every district by the ability and sanity of those they elect...
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
That’s as bad as that GOP idea to cognitively test candidates, and for the same reason.
BudmanTX
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DIY-HP-LED
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Why would they want to do that, since it is so risky for them? Perhaps a clever way of getting rid of Trump? A psycho test, if such a thing were available would net a lot of the fuckers!
Fogdog
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Most countries don't track race in their national databases.
Just a quick look at Japan and their growing issue with economic inequality, there is a large divide between those working for a company on contract and permanent employees. One's education, gender and social status affects who gets the corporate job and those who don't. There is no data on the matter but it is human nature to be biased toward people who "look like you". Having worked with Japanese companies, I did not see evidence of diversity or any desire for it. So, I can't say for sure but I'm not willing to dismiss the possibility of racism affecting economic status of minorities in Japan. The absence of data isn't proof, one way or the other. There is a stark gap in pay of women compared to men and it isn't even seriously challenged in Japan, so, I love the culture, enjoyed the people I met, my memories of time spent there were good but I didn't live there and can't say one way or the other how race and ethnicity affect one's prospects in Japan.
Equality in Japan: is this vision of a fairer society too good to be true?
With its modestly paid bosses and impressive health statistics, Japan is widely hailed as the most equal major economy in the world. But, reports Justin McCurry, this edifice of egalitarianism is beginning to crumble
www.theguardian.com
There is this from a US researcher about France:
France has relatively low levels of income inequality. Yet due to the strength of its "colorblind" ideology, race is not accounted for in data measuring inequality and poverty.
In this talk, Dr. Montague evaluates the impact of labor market segmentation, dualism in the labor market, inequalities produced by the structure of the French welfare state, and data on poverty. She argues that there is evidence that France has high levels of intergroup inequality and persistent poverty disproportionately impacting Blacks.
If so, "colorblind" political and economic policies may be institutionalizing bias, ultimately sustaining racial inequality.
Political Economy of Racial Inequality in 'Colorblind' Republican France | Center for Black Studies Research
France has relatively low levels of income inequality. Yet due to the strength of its "colorblind" ideology, race is not accounted for in data measuring inequality and poverty. In this talk, Dr. Montague evaluates the impact of labor market segmentation, dualism in the labor market, inequalities...
Looking further:
Income Inequality and Segregation in the Paris Metro Area (1990–2015)
In the last decades, the Paris metro area has experienced important structural changes linked to rising income inequality and a rapidly growing immigrant population. Using census data from 1990, 1999 to 2015, this chapter explores these transformations and how they...
link.springer.com
We further investigated changes in the residential segregation of immigrants and its relation to socioeconomic segregation. The findings show that segregation is highest between Non-Europeans and natives, much stronger than levels of segregation for immigrants overall and for most occupational groups. Further, although dissimilarity indexes remained stable or dropped somewhat between immigrants and natives, interaction indexes again revealed decreasing contact between these groups within neighbourhoods over time. Moreover, while immigrants have entered the middle occupational groups over the period, the correlation in neighbourhoods between low socioeconomic status, high unemployment and the presence of immigrants is strong and growing. These trends may reflect the effects of discrimination or native flight processes—especially among the upper classes—which consolidate disadvantage within neighbourhoods that have high shares of immigrants. Overall, socioeconomic and immigrant segregation are tightly correlated, and increasingly so over time.
Segregation between non-Europeans and immigrants in a society in which where one lives tracks with economic status. Is that an indication of racism or something else? I don't think the above statement proves anything but it cries out for more study. I also don't think there is much motivation in France to do so. It could be that people from recently immigrated non-European families who arrived in France with nothing and are in the beginning stages of accumulating wealth, which takes time over generations. It could also be that the cards are stacked against them due to institutional racism. There is no data to help decide but I wouldn't discard either theory without more information.
Getting back to your statement "I specifically dispute the assertions that sound plausible but do not have the numbers to back them. It is my opinion that the idea being discussed is frequently accepted without looking beneath the surface, where it turns out to be not so true."
Most countries don't track race with other important economic or societal factors, so your demand for "the numbers" is impossible to meet. We can discuss a subject with or without you and it doesn't matter if your needs are met, you decide if you want to participate. If a person wants to assert something that can't be proven, I'm still interested in hearing what they say.
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Fogdog
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I read the back and forth between you and Canna. I don't see how you got here. One can talk about race or sex on this board.
Your example of "It's like saying black people are great atheletes and musicians and entertainers, is actually racist. You can't say that or it borders on bigotry. " It all depends on context and your conclusions. To say that a disproportionate number of NFL players are Black is not racist. Same with some segments in the music industry. But to ignore all other factors that drive a person to greatness and just focus on the color of their skin. That would be racist. Your statement was given without context so it sounded to me more of a complaint that you are unsure of the difference between using a word and meaning when you use a word.
"Think ChatGPT could handle this for us?" no ChatGPT is a large word association tool for that mimics human language and does not perform analysis. It might come up with an answer to a question but could be right or wrong in its conclusions.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
It was a request for numbers, which I hope discharges some of the more severe chastisements in your last paragraph.Most countries don't track race in their national databases.
Just a quick look at Japan and their growing issue with economic inequality, there is a large divide between those working for a company on contract and permanent employees. One's education, gender and social status affects who gets the corporate job and those who don't. There is no data on the matter but it is human nature to be biased toward people who "look like you". Having worked with Japanese companies, I did not see evidence of diversity or any desire for it. So, I can't say for sure but I'm not willing to dismiss the possibility of racism affecting economic status of minorities in Japan. The absence of data isn't proof, one way or the other. There is a stark gap in pay of women compared to men and it isn't even seriously challenged in Japan, so, I love the culture, enjoyed the people I met, my memories of time spent there were good but I didn't live there and can't say one way or the other how race and ethnicity affect one's prospects in Japan.
Equality in Japan: is this vision of a fairer society too good to be true?
With its modestly paid bosses and impressive health statistics, Japan is widely hailed as the most equal major economy in the world. But, reports Justin McCurry, this edifice of egalitarianism is beginning to crumble
There is this from a US researcher about France:
France has relatively low levels of income inequality. Yet due to the strength of its "colorblind" ideology, race is not accounted for in data measuring inequality and poverty.
In this talk, Dr. Montague evaluates the impact of labor market segmentation, dualism in the labor market, inequalities produced by the structure of the French welfare state, and data on poverty. She argues that there is evidence that France has high levels of intergroup inequality and persistent poverty disproportionately impacting Blacks.
If so, "colorblind" political and economic policies may be institutionalizing bias, ultimately sustaining racial inequality.
Political Economy of Racial Inequality in 'Colorblind' Republican France | Center for Black Studies Research
France has relatively low levels of income inequality. Yet due to the strength of its "colorblind" ideology, race is not accounted for in data measuring inequality and poverty. In this talk, Dr. Montague evaluates the impact of labor market segmentation, dualism in the labor market, inequalities...cbsr.ucsb.edu
Looking further:
Income Inequality and Segregation in the Paris Metro Area (1990–2015)
In the last decades, the Paris metro area has experienced important structural changes linked to rising income inequality and a rapidly growing immigrant population. Using census data from 1990, 1999 to 2015, this chapter explores these transformations and how they...
We further investigated changes in the residential segregation of immigrants and its relation to socioeconomic segregation. The findings show that segregation is highest between Non-Europeans and natives, much stronger than levels of segregation for immigrants overall and for most occupational groups. Further, although dissimilarity indexes remained stable or dropped somewhat between immigrants and natives, interaction indexes again revealed decreasing contact between these groups within neighbourhoods over time. Moreover, while immigrants have entered the middle occupational groups over the period, the correlation in neighbourhoods between low socioeconomic status, high unemployment and the presence of immigrants is strong and growing. These trends may reflect the effects of discrimination or native flight processes—especially among the upper classes—which consolidate disadvantage within neighbourhoods that have high shares of immigrants. Overall, socioeconomic and immigrant segregation are tightly correlated, and increasingly so over time.
Segregation between non-Europeans and immigrants in a society in which where one lives tracks with economic status. Is that an indication of racism or something else? I don't think the above statement proves anything but it cries out for more study. I also don't think there is much motivation in France to do so. It could be that people who are from recently immigrated non-European families arrived in France with nothing and are in the beginning stages of accumulating wealth, which takes time over generations. It could also be that the cards are stacked against them due to institutional racism. There is no data to help decide but I wouldn't discard either theory without more information.
Getting back to your statement "I specifically dispute the assertions that sound plausible but do not have the numbers to back them. It is my opinion that the idea being discussed is frequently accepted without looking beneath the surface, where it turns out to be not so true."
Most countries don't track race with other important economic or societal factors, so your demand for "the numbers" is impossible to meet. We can discuss a subject with or without you and it doesn't matter if your needs are met, you decide if you want to participate. If a person wants to assert something that can't be proven, I'm still interested in hearing what they say.
Fogdog
Well-Known Member
The people who voted for somebody else are innocent in the matter.I was being more insulting than serious!
mmmm no racism is in many countries
HGCC
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It's a shame because it's a nice place, her district is pretty huge and covers lots of the mountains here. But well...there aren't many people and it isn't much different than any other rural area in terms of how they vote.
I was very surprised that the race was that close tbh, I think it speaks volumes about what the people think of her broadly. It is not an area I would generally consider competitive...though based on the below it is not quite as heavily R skewed as I would have thought.
PVI Map and District List
www.cookpolitical.com
DIY-HP-LED
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Sure they are, and they all bear collective consequences for electing idiots and assholes, not responsibility. Almost half the population may be innocent or even a majority if despots seize power, but they still suffer from it as much as the guilty and foolish Sometimes electing such people can be fatal, as hundreds of thousands of Americans found out with covid which took both left and right.
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
I am describing the current reality in a dynamic global situation, I'm not endorsing these observations by myself and others, but can entertain ideas without accepting them. If I were writing an article I would fact check everything, but in discussion we can hopefully bounce things around a bit without getting too serious. However extraordinary assertions still need plenty of evidence to back them up, if they clash with what is generally known to be factual or harm other people and groups. Thus, I can have confidence in calling Trump an asshole and republicans fascists without providing specific links, since it could get overwhelming!
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
They’d dispute the results and organize a vendetta against psychologists who are all woker’n Cesar Chavez anyway.Why would they want to do that, since it is so risky for them? Perhaps a clever way of getting rid of Trump? A psycho test, if such a thing were available would net a lot of the fuckers!
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
Perhaps this will help to address it. As for personal perspectives I have a European Buddhist buddy who lives in Japan and is married to a Japanese woman, he is a prof at a university there.
Racism in Japan - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
DIY-HP-LED
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Those who dispute election results would dispute test results, shit they even dispute video of Trump lying to their faces FFS!
Roger A. Shrubber
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doughboy didn't say culturally diverse, he said racially diverse...
i suppose he did say ethnically diverse...your turn to find a source of info, professor.