Social Media is not Real Life

[xtsho]

I think we're more questioning rather than fearing. The Musk power grid/satellite/dictatorship can happen in our lifetime and that's pretty disturbing.

Nobody questioned Netflix when they started using Machine Learning way back around 2007 to offer movie choices based on previous selections. Nobody made a big deal about Tesla using AI for self driving cars. Now ChatGPT shows up and people are having an issue. I don't understand why. Technology that hasn't previously available to the general public is now being made available and many seem to be having a problem with it.

AI is the new Space Race and so far China has taken the lead. I want to see the US win the race.

 

[schuylaar]

It sounds like you are disagreeing with me but I don't think we do. What you say is true but not sufficient. The mind of a healthy human is what you list and also much more than what you list. Also, people who were lobotomized were not lumps of clay. They were changed, aspects of their being were blunted. Most could not survive without assistance but they were alive and had a mind. They understood language, ate, talked and were able to cooperate with their caretakers, which was why mental institutions used that procedure as you say.. Also too,, their mind was broken because it was missing parts that were only available through the pre-frontal cortex.

If we turn the problem around, do you think the pre-frontal cortex is capable of performing its functions without the access to the rest of the brain and body? Plan what? If there is no access to information from the world, what use is that function? What short term memory could there be?

Take out the ability to hear and the mind changes. Take out the PFC and the mind changes. The mind is the sum of all the brain-body and at the same time more than all the brain-body.

Fetus in the womb dreams..what does it dream of? It has no memories. I found one reference to the 'fetus is dreaming of amniotic fluid'

Eye movement activity in normal human fetuses between 24 and 39 weeks of gestation - PMC

Rapid eye movement (REM) sleep occurs throughout a relatively large proportion of early development, and normal REM activity appears to be required for healthy brain development. The eye movements (EMs) observed during REM sleep are the most ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[schuylaar]

Or a not so friendly country getting this done first.

That's why the big worry (for me) is electrical grid..no matter how it gets taken out can we still live? yes, but the freakshows will bring fear and chaos because they can't TikTok.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with AI or ML. It's just techology evolving. Instead of fearing it some of us are embracing it. The uses go way beyond some student getting ChatGPT to write a term paper. Those that are being critical of the technology just don't understand all of the possible uses that can provide benefit to society.

or we just don't care, having seen how responsibly the entire world acts with potentially dangerous materials.
Most of us understand the pitfalls, it's just that you in your arrogance haven't bothered to explain it to us, so you assume we, not being as brilliant and insightful as yourself, must be acting out of ignorance.
back on ignore...

 

[xtsho]

Embrace Ai. It's the future. I got early access to the new Bing Chat right after they announced it. It's available to everyone now so try it out. It's getting better as it learns. I have it on my phone as well. It's pretty neat having an interactive audio chat where you're being asked questions in response to your initial query in order to narrow down to the details of topic you're inquiring about.

I was curious about the projected revenue from the upcoming Depeche Mode tour. A search on google yielded nothing but tour dates, ticket sellers and nothing that referenced anything about revenue at least from the headlines. AI powered BING Chat gave me the information I was looking for right away without me having to dig around for it.



It did get the date wrong though. The concerts on the 28th not the 10th. It can get pretty chatty though. But all of the questions it's asking are part of it learning and collecting data. Yes it's collecting data. It gathered - Depeche Mode Fan - Lives in Portland - Bought tickets. Years from now someone may query "Favorite music groups people in Portland like" and that data will be part of the model. Or "Cities in North America that Depeche Mode performed live" That's just a simple easy to understand example. If you understand the technology behind it's not hard to see the potential. It's much more than just a simple interactive search engine.

 

[schuylaar]

Nobody questioned Netflix when they started using Machine Learning way back around 2007 to offer movie choices based on previous selections. Nobody made a big deal about Tesla using AI for self driving cars. Now ChatGPT shows up and people are having an issue. I don't understand why. Technology that hasn't previously available to the general public is now being made available and many seem to be having a problem with it.

AI is the new Space Race and so far China has taken the lead. I want to see the US win the race.

I beg your pardon, sir..but I disagree and so do the guys that got barbequed.



Tesla Autopilot crash
Featured snippet from the web

Since 2016, the federal agency has investigated a total of 35 crashes in which Tesla's “Full Self-Driving” or “Autopilot” systems were likely in use. Together, these accidents have killed 19 people.Jan 10, 2023

Exclusive: Surveillance Footage of Tesla Crash on SF’s Bay Bridge Hours After Elon Musk Announces "Self-Driving" Feature

Elon Musk has said Tesla’s problematic autopilot features are “really the difference between Tesla being worth a lot of money or worth basically zero.”

theintercept.com

Ummmmmm, worth zero..sell yours now before no one will buy it. +the general public it's available to, are the less than 100 and that's the problem.

 

[Fogdog]

You said " our brain is not isolated from the Universe or Universes" I assumed the Akashic record connection, Respectfully .

I think its the same thing? There is more to the universe than we can perceive, so I'm willing to accept the idea that our minds are more than we realize. I just don't believe there are angels, personal or not. I can change my mind if I ever have an encounter

 

[cannabineer]

I think its the same thing? There is more to the universe than we can perceive, so I'm willing to accept the idea that our minds are more than we realize. I just don't believe there are angels, personal or not. I can change my mind if I ever have an encounter

the real problem is deciding whether the encounter is real. We seem to be neurologically wired for animism.

 

[buckaclark]

I think its the same thing? There is more to the universe than we can perceive, so I'm willing to accept the idea that our minds are more than we realize. I just don't believe there are angels, personal or not. I can change my mind if I ever have an encounter

Just referring to this principle.I wasn't aware Angels were involved.Im not a huge believer here,but i agree that there is more to our conscious than is commonly known.Sort of an information Quantum theory .

 

[buckaclark]

the real problem is deciding whether the encounter is real. We seem to be neurologically wired for animism.

What does real mean? Is pride real,or shame.Is guilt real ,are religious experiences real.All have had profound implications for our physical world we have to contend with.Do real implications to neurological occurrences make the experience moot ,or more real?If someone speaks to God and becomes a reformed compassionate servant of humanity, Does that make thier metaphysical incident "real".

 

[cannabineer]

What does real mean? Is pride real,or shame.Is guilt real ,are religious experiences real.All have had profound implications for our physical world we have to contend with.Do real implications to neurological occurrences make the experience moot ,or more real?If someone speaks to God and becomes a reformed compassionate servant of humanity, Does that make thier metaphysical incident "real".

I contend that they have had no implications for the physical world. If you follow Buddhist thought deep enough down the rabbit hole, consciousness is illusory. The result would be that any speaking to or by a candidate for God is an artifact of our natures. I doubt that the collective spiritual experiences of all life on Earth have changed one atom of matter or one electron volt of energy* except indirectly: by changing how we choose to behave in the physical world.

*assuming such even exist beyond our perceptions of them; a proposition entirely beyond testing.

So any time anyone voices a religious concept, I reject it. Religion has only done us collective harm by empowering those who claim to have special access to truth in formulating and enforcing unnatural rules of behavior e.g. strictures on sex and sexuality. We are wired for it, for now. Soon we will have the technology to rewrite our bodies’ physics, with devastating/exalting consequences on how we think, feel and act. We get to write the false gods right out of the operating system. Boy howdy will there be war.

 

[Fogdog]

What does real mean? Is pride real,or shame.Is guilt real ,are religious experiences real.All have had profound implications for our physical world we have to contend with.Do real implications to neurological occurrences make the experience moot ,or more real?If someone speaks to God and becomes a reformed compassionate servant of humanity, Does that make thier metaphysical incident "real".

I don't think there is one answer for that. To the person whose life was changed by a vision, it's might seem real. Outside of that person, it depends on a person's willingness to believe without proof. As Canna pointed out, the worst of human behavior can be attributed to false beliefs. I'm not religious whatsoever, so I put religion down as false belief as well. I disbelieve anybody who claims to understand what God intends, much less one who says they've spoken to it because I don't believe in the supernatural.

Beyond that, we often see that decisions, actions, policies or behavior based upon a false premise often lead to no good. So, no, I wouldn't consider anything to be "real" that is not supported by a collection of facts, logic or facts based analysis. Even then, I look for contradictions that might indicate what I believe is not true for that is how one grows their knowledge and understanding. I've experienced contradictions to my belief in what is and is not real but without confirmatory external observations, I withhold believing it was real.

Circling back to your question. I would say their metaphysical incident is not real and look for other explanations. As with other things, belief without proof leads to bad decisions.

 

[Fogdog]

Fetus in the womb dreams..what does it dream of? It has no memories. I found one reference to the 'fetus is dreaming of amniotic fluid'

Eye movement activity in normal human fetuses between 24 and 39 weeks of gestation - PMC

Rapid eye movement (REM) sleep occurs throughout a relatively large proportion of early development, and normal REM activity appears to be required for healthy brain development. The eye movements (EMs) observed during REM sleep are the most ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

They tracked rates of eye movement in the fetus and reported their findings without extrapolating observations of eye movement to interpret their meaning. It was interesting but didn't even mention dreams.

 

[buckaclark]

I contend that they have had no implications for the physical world. If you follow Buddhist thought deep enough down the rabbit hole, consciousness is illusory. The result would be that any speaking to or by a candidate for God is an artifact of our natures. I doubt that the collective spiritual experiences of all life on Earth have changed one atom of matter or one electron volt of energy* except indirectly: by changing how we choose to behave in the physical world.

*assuming such even exist beyond our perceptions of them; a proposition entirely beyond testing.

So any time anyone voices a religious concept, I reject it. Religion has only done us collective harm by empowering those who claim to have special access to truth in formulating and enforcing unnatural rules of behavior e.g. strictures on sex and sexuality. We are wired for it, for now. Soon we will have the technology to rewrite our bodies’ physics, with devastating/exalting consequences on how we think, feel and act. We get to write the false gods right out of the operating system. Boy howdy will there be war.

I am well aware of your skepticism regarding religion, and it well deserved.You provide examples of false prophets taking money.Restrictions on sexuality and Women's rights.etc.The statement "by changing how we choose to behave in the physical world",speaks to my assumption that having a metaphysical experience Can change the world in very profound ways.Also it is my contention that even these "false gods" have been misused by many,they still have served a huge positive service by providing a moral compass to humanity. If we use technology to rebuild or even abandon our physical bodies,will we then still be human.If we pick our child's eye color and all other physical attributes essentially ordering a custom child,won't we just be programming humanity with the same unmindfullness that we use to equate the natural brain with a computer program?

 

[Fogdog]

The articles makes no judgement whether AI is good or bad. Just saying that a fool and his money are easily parted.



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Is AI overhyped? Yes, of course, it is; in the same way as VR and blockchain are.

For the last few years, the power of AI is demonstrated by its advances into different areas and how it is transforming them in every possible way. AI technology is becoming increasingly embedded in many of the things and being used on a daily basis. AI is becoming increasingly more advanced over time, with some remarkable capabilities emerging over the past few years. There are many real-world, practical examples organizations and governments using Artificial Intelligence in day-to-day activities. AI experts say 92% percent of the execs that have implemented the AI technology in their organization believes in its ability to deliver value and make their organization run more efficiently. There is clear confidence that AI has the potential to solve some of their industry’s biggest challenges. There’s no denying AI has seen huge advancements, especially in the realm of data processing. Well, on the other hand, there’s still substantial hype when it comes to Artificial Intelligence. Still, many feel artificial intelligence has become overblown, for a number of incredibly valid reasons.

 

[xtsho]

I beg your pardon, sir..but I disagree and so do the guys that got barbequed.

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Tesla Autopilot crash
Featured snippet from the web

Since 2016, the federal agency has investigated a total of 35 crashes in which Tesla's “Full Self-Driving” or “Autopilot” systems were likely in use. Together, these accidents have killed 19 people.Jan 10, 2023

Exclusive: Surveillance Footage of Tesla Crash on SF’s Bay Bridge Hours After Elon Musk Announces "Self-Driving" Feature

Elon Musk has said Tesla’s problematic autopilot features are “really the difference between Tesla being worth a lot of money or worth basically zero.”

theintercept.com

Ummmmmm, worth zero..sell yours now before no one will buy it. +the general public it's available to, are the less than 100 and that's the problem.

Yes people have been killed which is pretty tragic and actually disgusting given the fact that many are making a bigger deal over something like ChatGPT than they did over AI technology that has actually killed people. I guess that's because it's Tesla and not funded in large part by Microsoft. Microsoft bad. Tesla good. That's how many view things. The fact is that Microsoft never released a product that killed people. And Tesla knew it was flawed when they strarted rolling it out.

19 people killed but Chat GPT is the focus of many people that are either fearful of AI or they don't have any real understanding of the technology or potential.

Thanks for pointing out that Tesla in their race to be first released AI technology that they knew wasn't ready and has already killed 19 people. How many people has ChatGPT killed? And who is giving away their fortune to help others while another is buying twitter and laying off thousands of people? Bill Gates isn't the demon many of you always thought he was is he? You can now hand that title over to Elon Musk.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

What does real mean? Is pride real,or shame.Is guilt real ,are religious experiences real.All have had profound implications for our physical world we have to contend with.Do real implications to neurological occurrences make the experience moot ,or more real?If someone speaks to God and becomes a reformed compassionate servant of humanity, Does that make thier metaphysical incident "real".

no, it makes them hallucinatory....
All input is subjective...what you enjoy i may consider just short of torture, what makes you ashamed may make me proud, or i just may not give one thin fuck about it.
The only thing i or you or anyone else can say is real with any certainty is how something makes US feel, what it makes us think, how it makes us want to reply...
I have no idea if the world is real...there may be ten million gnomes moving potemkin cities worth of fake buildings around me to make me think i'm where i think i am...but probably not.
Usually the shortest, simplest answer is maybe not completely right, but all we seem to be able to deal with.

 

[cannabineer]

I am well aware of your skepticism regarding religion, and it well deserved.You provide examples of false prophets taking money.Restrictions on sexuality and Women's rights.etc.The statement "by changing how we choose to behave in the physical world",speaks to my assumption that having a metaphysical experience Can change the world in very profound ways.Also it is my contention that even these "false gods" have been misused by many,they still have served a huge positive service by providing a moral compass to humanity. If we use technology to rebuild or even abandon our physical bodies,will we then still be human.If we pick our child's eye color and all other physical attributes essentially ordering a custom child,won't we just be programming humanity with the same unmindfullness that we use to equate the natural brain with a computer program?

to the underlined: this is religious terminology.

to the italicized: it is entirely subjective.

The bolded I flat-out reject. Any “moral compass” based on religious teaching is enslavement to a system that draws its authority from “revealed truth”, and there is no such thing.

The best analogy I have on short notice is to voluntarily submit to death by torture in a dungeon — because hey, one gets room and board in the deal. The board has hooks, spikes and a winch, but let’s not get carried away by the fussy details.

To the bit after the bolded, you’re not remotely thinking big enough. What you describe is kinda Hollywood, and studio product is made to have mass appeal. And the masses buy People, Popular Mechanics and Foxious News.

It does not begin to touch the issues faced by the one in fifty thousand equipped and inclined to really think outside of the truck the box came in. I do not include myself in that set.

 

[buckaclark]

to the underlined: this is religious terminology.

to the italicized: it is entirely subjective.

The bolded I flat-out reject. Any “moral compass” based on religious teaching is enslavement to a system that draws its authority from “revealed truth”, and there is no such thing.

The best analogy I have on short notice is to voluntarily submit to death by torture in a dungeon — because hey, one gets room and board in the deal. The board has hooks, spikes and a winch, but let’s not get carried away by the fussy details.

To the bit after the bolded, you’re not remotely thinking big enough. What you describe is kinda Hollywood, and studio product is made to have mass appeal. And the masses buy People, Popular Mechanics and Foxious News.

It does not begin to touch the issues faced by the one in fifty thousand equipped and inclined to really think outside of the truck the box came in. I do not include myself in that set.

Touche!, Guess I had that coming.

 

[cannabineer]

Touche!, Guess I had that coming.

I have fairly defined opinions on the matter.