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cannabineer

cannabineer

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Fogdog said:
Looking at what's happening in Oregon. The pro gun side have given up trying to provide a good reason for virtually unregulated gun sales. They are taking a legalistic argument and aren't even trying to give a good reason why things like banning large capacity magazines are a bad idea. The public sees through this. We saw that they can't offer a good reason why and a majority voted for measure 114. It's tied up in the courts over a legal argument but the democratic process will eventually win. Without a good reason for maintaining the 2A in modern America, it's not a matter of if but when this issue is solved through the ballot box. Maybe we need to pass a new amendment. Maybe we need new judges. Maybe we will find a way to pass new laws that are acceptable to the courts. I don't know which avenue will prevail. But with a growing majority of people who are opposed unregulated gun ownership and sales, it will happen.
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It may be a while. We’re still fighting leftovers of the Civil War.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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cannabineer said:
It may be a while. We’re still fighting leftovers of the Civil War.
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It will go slow until a tipping point is reached and then it will go fast.

Measure 114 shows that we can pass laws that don't interfere with the right to own or use a gun in self defense and reduces the occurrence of many causes of gun deaths. Once people can get that through their heads, it won't take long.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Fogdog said:
It will go slow until a tipping point is reached and then it will go fast.

Measure 114 shows that we can pass laws that don't interfere with the right to own or use a gun in self defense and reduces the occurrence of many causes of gun deaths. Once people can get that through their heads, it won't take long.
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just so long as the “law enforcement exemption” is undone. Civilian gun law should cover all civilians, especially the uniformed ones. Only exception should be Federal: FBI, Marshals etc.
 
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cannabineer said:
just so long as the “law enforcement exemption” is undone. Civilian gun law should cover all civilians, especially the uniformed ones. Only exception should be Federal: FBI, Marshals etc.
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"Measure 114 requires a permit-to-purchase any firearm
There is no exception for law enforcement or military purchase of firearms for personal use. A Concealed Handgun License does not qualify as a permit-to-purchase. A Hunter Safety Certification does not qualify as a permit-to-purchase. "
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Fogdog said:
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"Measure 114 requires a permit-to-purchase any firearm
There is no exception for law enforcement or military purchase of firearms for personal use. A Concealed Handgun License does not qualify as a permit-to-purchase. A Hunter Safety Certification does not qualify as a permit-to-purchase. "
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Good! In California however …

on a reread, the “personal use” is a problem. Cops need to be constrained in what they use on the job. A California cop can use an AR-4 unavailable to other civilians, and that is corrupt imo.
 
Fogdog

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cannabineer said:
Good! In California however …

on a reread, the “personal use” is a problem. Cops need to be constrained in what they use on the job. A California cop can use an AR-4 unavailable to other civilians, and that is corrupt imo.
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Not sure I agree with you on that but let's not derail this thread diving into that topic.
 
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schuylaar

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sweetisland2009 said:
Except what exactly do you think the Taliban would have done/could have done if Trump said we’re taking another month to bring all our equipment home?

Not to mention the exit wouldn’t have happened in the shit show that Biden allowed if Trump was facilitating it. Period. Trumps ego is way too big to have allowed it any other way. Biden has no ego because he’s forgotten it.

The fact of the matter is it was Biden’s actions or lack of action that created the nightmare it was and still is. Hell if he was actually a strong POTUS he himself could have contacted the taliban and told them “we’re taking another month to get out shit and our people I didn’t prepare for this properly, my bad. Don’t mess with our movements or we will retaliate tenfold.”
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You mentioned Afghanistan and I wanted to oblige you with facts; the rest is history and speaks for itself.
 
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