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DIY-HP-LED

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and we have confirmation with the Abrams

Biden announces he's sending 31 Abrams tanks to Ukraine


bet pooty is shitting himself again right now
It's how you send a message to Vlad, get out of Ukraine by spring or be defeated and driven out in humiliation. There will nothing left to keep Belarus with, if there is another anti imperialism war there too. Vlad is either gonna bet it all, be defeated and driven out, or go home with what he has left, we are done talking about it.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Jets too perhaps, it will send the final message to Vlad to get out while they can, their AA systems have trouble defending Russia much less Ukraine. The Ukrainians have HARM anti radar missiles too and could force whatever is left of the Russian air force into the air and be destroyed over Ukraine. Now that the Russian's air defense has been degraded a bit, F16s could prove useful, Ukraine will need a post war air force, so throw in a bunch of old C-130 transports too.

 

BudmanTX

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Jets too perhaps, it will send the final message to Vlad to get out while they can, their AA systems have trouble defending Russia much less Ukraine. The Ukrainians have HARM anti radar missiles too and could force whatever is left of the Russian air force into the air and be destroyed over Ukraine. Now that the Russian's air defense has been degraded a bit, F16s could prove useful, Ukraine will need a post war air force, so throw in a bunch of old C-130 transports too.

that might got through....
 

BudmanTX

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printer

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The diplomat warned the West about the consequences of the supply of ammunition with uranium to the Armed Forces of Ukraine
Delivery of Western-made uranium shells to Kyiv will be regarded by Moscow as the use of dirty nuclear bombs, Konstantin Gavrilov, head of the Russian delegation at the talks in Vienna on military security and arms control, said.

"We warn the Western sponsors of the Kiev military machine from encouraging nuclear provocations and blackmail. We know that the Leopard 2 tank, as well as the Bradley and Marder infantry fighting vehicles, are armed with uranium-core armor-piercing sub-caliber shells, the use of which leads to contamination of the area, as happened in Yugoslavia and Iraq . If Kiev is supplied with such shells for NATO heavy military equipment, we will consider this as the use of dirty nuclear bombs against Russia with all the ensuing consequences," the diplomat said, speaking at the OSCE Forum on Security Cooperation.

Western countries forced Germany to make a decision to transfer armored vehicles to Ukraine , Gavrilov stressed.

“First, the allies threatened Berlin with international isolation in case of refusal to transfer the Leopards. Then none other than the representative of the US State Department, Ned Price, announced “imminent news” regarding the direction of the German “beast” to Kyiv. This is how transatlantic “solidarity” is forged, — said the head of the delegation.

Berlin made a conscious choice in favor of "German tanks with crosses on their armor again attacking Russian soldiers," Gavrilov continued. He stressed that the Russian army will destroy these combat vehicles, as is now happening with the rest of NATO weapons.

As Konstantin Sivkov, doctor of military sciences, told RIA Novosti , the Leopard 2 ammunition load includes armor-piercing sub-caliber shells with depleted uranium cores. Their use leads to contamination of the area and outbreaks of cancer.

The German government announced today that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will receive Leopard 2 tanks. At the first stage, Berlin will transfer 14 combat vehicles to Kyiv, in total it is planned to supply two battalions. In addition, Germany will remove export restrictions so that other countries that have Leopard 2 in their arsenal can transfer them to Kyiv.

The German authorities for a long time refrained from supplying this type of weaponry to Ukraine. Other Western leaders put German Chancellor Olaf Scholz under unprecedented pressure on this issue.

In the spring of last year, Moscow sent a note to the countries of the North Atlantic Alliance due to the transfer of weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov emphasized that any cargo containing military equipment would become a legitimate target for the Russian army.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The diplomat warned the West about the consequences of the supply of ammunition with uranium to the Armed Forces of Ukraine
Delivery of Western-made uranium shells to Kyiv will be regarded by Moscow as the use of dirty nuclear bombs, Konstantin Gavrilov, head of the Russian delegation at the talks in Vienna on military security and arms control, said.

"We warn the Western sponsors of the Kiev military machine from encouraging nuclear provocations and blackmail. We know that the Leopard 2 tank, as well as the Bradley and Marder infantry fighting vehicles, are armed with uranium-core armor-piercing sub-caliber shells, the use of which leads to contamination of the area, as happened in Yugoslavia and Iraq . If Kiev is supplied with such shells for NATO heavy military equipment, we will consider this as the use of dirty nuclear bombs against Russia with all the ensuing consequences," the diplomat said, speaking at the OSCE Forum on Security Cooperation.

Western countries forced Germany to make a decision to transfer armored vehicles to Ukraine , Gavrilov stressed.

“First, the allies threatened Berlin with international isolation in case of refusal to transfer the Leopards. Then none other than the representative of the US State Department, Ned Price, announced “imminent news” regarding the direction of the German “beast” to Kyiv. This is how transatlantic “solidarity” is forged, — said the head of the delegation.

Berlin made a conscious choice in favor of "German tanks with crosses on their armor again attacking Russian soldiers," Gavrilov continued. He stressed that the Russian army will destroy these combat vehicles, as is now happening with the rest of NATO weapons.

As Konstantin Sivkov, doctor of military sciences, told RIA Novosti , the Leopard 2 ammunition load includes armor-piercing sub-caliber shells with depleted uranium cores. Their use leads to contamination of the area and outbreaks of cancer.

The German government announced today that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will receive Leopard 2 tanks. At the first stage, Berlin will transfer 14 combat vehicles to Kyiv, in total it is planned to supply two battalions. In addition, Germany will remove export restrictions so that other countries that have Leopard 2 in their arsenal can transfer them to Kyiv.

The German authorities for a long time refrained from supplying this type of weaponry to Ukraine. Other Western leaders put German Chancellor Olaf Scholz under unprecedented pressure on this issue.

In the spring of last year, Moscow sent a note to the countries of the North Atlantic Alliance due to the transfer of weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov emphasized that any cargo containing military equipment would become a legitimate target for the Russian army.
I would think Ukraine can do as it pleases on it's own territory, if Canada wanted to shoot depleted uranium rounds at targets inside Canada, there is no issue, same for Ukraine I would think. Depleted uranium rounds are a waste on Russian tanks, and overkill, much lower grade munitions should work fine for T72s. I dunno if they have tungsten rounds for them, but it would be wise to avoid depleted uranium wherever possible, especially there. They do have to live in the place once the war is over and the Russians are gone.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I dunno how many of the 100 leopards Canada has that will be sent to Ukraine, all that are in Europe would be my guess, I can see us giving them at least half of them, maybe all of them. We are high on the list of Ukraine backers and don't need the tanks for home defense! Buy new and buy better, when the Ukrainians are done with the Russians they won't be much of a threat to anybody for a decade at least.

If war developed with China, how valuable would tanks be in that theater? where would the fighting happen? Tanks are needed more for offensive operations and you don't need tanks for defense these days, with artillery, javelins, NLAWS, mines, IEDs, drones and airpower supporting multi layered dug in defenses and even in mobile defenses where they are trading ground for dead Russians and destroyed tanks.

 

fatboyOGOF

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i'm all for helping ukraine fight russian scum but useless politicians have more pretend balls than brains. tis a slippery slope. IF i was a leader like putin, and if i could, i'd burn it all down before i died.
 

OldMedUser

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Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov emphasized that any cargo containing military equipment would become a legitimate target for the Russian army.
Much like how the US became involved in WWII. An American flagged ship was torpedoed by the Germans constituting an act of war. This time the full force of NATO would be brought to bear against a common enemy.

Pity the fools!

:peace:
 

DIY-HP-LED

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i'm all for helping ukraine fight russian scum but useless politicians have more pretend balls than brains. tis a slippery slope. IF i was a leader like putin, and if i could, i'd burn it all down before i died.
He might, but he has kids and grand kids, so do the people around him. One American nuclear submarine can destroy 90% of the Russian population, America has several, the Brits and France have them too. That's just one sub from one part of America's nuclear triad, then there are the other two countries who will be shooting at them too. Moscow would look like a strobe light going off over it, would be turned to green glass and glow in the dark for a fucking century! They all know this and it was explained to all of them in great and graphic detail.
 

fatboyOGOF

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He might, but he has kids and grand kids, so do the people around him. One American nuclear submarine can destroy 90% of the Russian population, America has several, the Brits and France have them too. That's just one sub from one part of America's nuclear triad, then there are the other two countries who will be shooting at them too. Moscow would look like a strobe light going off over it, would be turned to green glass and glow in the dark for a fucking century! They all know this and it was explained to all of them in great and graphic detail.
he's not normal or reasonable. i don't think an ex kgb mobster would allow silly things like family to get in his way. hopefully i'm way off on that. i think that his ego, his goals, are more important than some kids he barely knows. i'm not very touchy feely, i'm pretty cold blooded, he makes me look like a nun.

i think he wants to go down in history as the great unifier of the old USSR. something like that. never underestimate a defeated ruler for life!

thank god for weed eh? :bigjoint:
 
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