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Sativied

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CCGNZ

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Maybe I’m reading too much into or just misinterpreting the bold part but it appears you know exactly what it encompasses in this context. Specifically by the use of the words ’guilt’ and ‘shed its guilt’.

I wasn’t arguing against sending the/any/all tanks though, I’m all for it. Just saying the decision being tough for them is not a sign of a lack of unity among nato members in Europe when it comes to the war. I don’t know exactly what people across the pond believed the level of unity to be before the Ukraine war but Europe (minus Russia, Belarus and few assholes) has never been this united.



I’m reminded of a Daily Show episode with Trevor Noah explaining to Americans that the US has nothing on Europe when it comes to starting wars, as in a smart ass answer to your question would be “ourselves”. But then I don’t disagree with your post.

“Ukraine is proxy for the entire democratic world”

And for Poland. Poland, who seems so cool threatening to be defiant against the Germans by sending the tanks without their permission. Poland, which would have its own thread if it weren’t for Putin invading Ukraine.

Anyway, looks like the Germans are not going to get in the way of Poland providing the tanks.
No ,not at all ,it happened on computer,I don't even know how to do anything here except post. If you notice I've never pasted anything in my quotes and didn't even know that my post was in bold,especially that part,damn. I only have this chromebook,it's my only digital tool,I don't even have a cell. I can see how that would be interpreted but I swear it's just something that occurred when I accidently hit a button or something. It's true what I said I've got 25% kraut in my blood,the other is 50% Polish and 25% Hungarian. And I'm adopted as a infant less than a wk. old,born at a Air Force Base,and I honestly know nothing about my descendants. What I know is from a letter I got in my 20's from a sister who found me,after a brief correspondence I let it go,due to the fact My mom who adopted me lost 7 children on her own and I didn't want to take ANY chance hurting her w/a new relationship w/my bio. family,the Polish side BTW. In the end my bold highlight is the result of my tech ignorance.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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No ,not at all ,it happened on computer,I don't even know how to do anything here except post. If you notice I've never pasted anything in my quotes and didn't even know that my post was in bold,especially that part,damn. I only have this chromebook,it's my only digital tool,I don't even have a cell. I can see how that would be interpreted but I swear it's just something that occurred when I accidently hit a button or something. It's true what I said I've got 25% kraut in my blood,the other is 50% Polish and 25% Hungarian. And I'm adopted as a infant less than a wk. old,born at a Air Force Base,and I honestly know nothing about my descendants. What I know is from a letter I got in my 20's from a sister who found me,after a brief correspondence I let it go,due to the fact My mom who adopted me lost 7 children on her own and I didn't want to take ANY chance hurting her w/a new relationship w/my bio. family,the Polish side BTW. In the end my bold highlight is the result of my tech ignorance.
you didn't put that in bold type, he did, to point out what he was commenting on.
but for future reference the big B at the top of the chat box BOLDS, the I Italicizes, U Underscores...
 

cannabineer

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No ,not at all ,it happened on computer,I don't even know how to do anything here except post. If you notice I've never pasted anything in my quotes and didn't even know that my post was in bold,especially that part,damn. I only have this chromebook,it's my only digital tool,I don't even have a cell. I can see how that would be interpreted but I swear it's just something that occurred when I accidently hit a button or something. It's true what I said I've got 25% kraut in my blood,the other is 50% Polish and 25% Hungarian. And I'm adopted as a infant less than a wk. old,born at a Air Force Base,and I honestly know nothing about my descendants. What I know is from a letter I got in my 20's from a sister who found me,after a brief correspondence I let it go,due to the fact My mom who adopted me lost 7 children on her own and I didn't want to take ANY chance hurting her w/a new relationship w/my bio. family,the Polish side BTW. In the end my bold highlight is the result of my tech ignorance.
Don’t you hate it when that happens? It’s like when you’re going for the one-cheek sneak, but what comes out is a trumpet of Jericho.
 

CCGNZ

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you didn't put that in bold type, he did, to point out what he was commenting on.
but for future reference the big B at the top of the chat box BOLDS, the I Italicizes, U Underscores...
Thanks
Don’t you hate it when that happens? It’s like when you’re going for the one-cheek sneak, but what comes out is a trumpet of Jericho.
Don't mind the shame as long as I don't blush.
 

Sativied

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This was already announced in Dec, but 4 Dutch F-35 fighter jets will be leaving for Poland this week. To protect NATO airspace from Poland not Ukraine and is separate from the F-16 jets we might send to Ukraine. Defense minister:

In February and March, four warplanes will be available for the guarding of NATO airspace over eastern Europe, the so-called Air Policing,” the Dutch Defense Ministry said. “The other four F-35s are participating in a training program with allies, so-called Vigilance activities. These trainings increasing the readiness of NATO on the eastern flank and foster cooperation between the various NATO countries.

Just send the bill.
 

CCGNZ

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This was already announced in Dec, but 4 Dutch F-35 fighter jets will be leaving for Poland this week. To protect NATO airspace from Poland not Ukraine and is separate from the F-16 jets we might send to Ukraine. Defense minister:

In February and March, four warplanes will be available for the guarding of NATO airspace over eastern Europe, the so-called Air Policing,” the Dutch Defense Ministry said. “The other four F-35s are participating in a training program with allies, so-called Vigilance activities. These trainings increasing the readiness of NATO on the eastern flank and foster cooperation between the various NATO countries.

Just send the bill.
There are some you tube channels showing NATO air activity on the borders of Ukraine,the amount of surveillance sorties by all types of NATO aircraft and drones is mind boggling and we even know how many times Ivan goes for a piss, I'd say it's safe to say that Mr. Zelinskey is well informed concerning intell. on Russian activities.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Russia’s ‘Elite’ Shadow Army Edges Into Complete Collapse

NOSEDIVE
The private Russian fighting corps appear to be teetering on the brink of a dramatic meltdown
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Tens of thousands of fighters rounded up to fight in Ukraine for Wagner Group, the Russian private mercenary fighting corps, have gone missing or died, according to a Russian non-governmental organization.

While Wagner Group recruited approximately 50,000 fighters in recent months, including from prisons, only 10,000 fighters remain fighting at the front for Wagner, Olga Romanova, the head of Russia Behind Bars, told My Russian Rights, according to The Moscow Times.

“According to our data, 42-43 thousand [prisoners] were recruited by the end of December. Now they are, most likely, already over 50,000,” Romanova said. “Of these, 10,000 are fighting at the front, because all the rest are either killed… or missing, or deserted, or surrendered.”

The statistic cited is just the latest indication that Wagner’s fighting force is falling apart in Ukraine, even as Russia works to secure wins on the battlefield almost one year after the invasion of Ukraine.

Wagner Group fighters have been involved in the heavy fighting in Soledar in recent weeks, a town in which Russia has claimed victory. Wagner has also been largely responsible for gains made in Bakhmut nearby, “at an extraordinary cost,” given that many of the Wagner recruits had minimal training since Wagner recruited 40,000 convicts, John Kirby, a White House National Security Council coordinator, told reporters last week.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky hinted at the dramatic losses the Russians are sustaining in Soledar in a recent speech as well.

“The area near Soledar is covered with corpses of the invaders,” Zelensky said. “This is what madness looks like.”

The U.S. Department of Defense has also assessed that Russian forces and Wagner have both suffered a tremendous losses.

It is “significantly over 100,000 now,” Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters last week. “The Russians have suffered a tremendous amount of casualties in their military, and that includes their regular military and also their mercenaries, the Wagner Group, and other type forces that are fighting with the Russians.”

There are indications that some of these losses may be desertions. Earlier this month, one former member of Wagner Group, Andrei Medvedev, was caught fleeing in Norway, the AFP reported. Medvedev, who has been arrested, is believed to be the first member of Wagner to defect to the West, according to the BBC.

Medvedev has offered to share details about his experiences in the private mercenary group to help expose war crimes for investigators, the AFP reported. He has reportedly witnessed “deserters being executed” and “terroristic methods.”

The Biden administration last week announced it is designating the Wagner Group as a “transnational criminal organization” in an attempt to interrupt Wagner’s supply and ability to do business around the globe.

“Wagner is a criminal organization that is… committing widespread atrocities and human rights abuses, and we will work relentlessly to identify, disrupt, expose, and target those who are assisting Wagner,” the National Security Council’s Kirby said.

News of Wagner’s disintegration comes as the mercenary group is experiencing trouble with the Kremlin as well. Russian President Vladimir Putin, whose military has faltered in Ukraine due to logistics and command and control failures, has been leaning on Wagner Group’s fighting power to try to make up for Russia’s armed forces’ failures in Ukraine for some time, according to a White House National Security Council assessment. But Putin and the leader of Wagner Group, Yevgeny Prigozhin, have been at loggerheads in recent days, with both contradicting each other and sniping that their fighting forces have been responsible for Soledar.

Putin appears to have begun trying to shift the heft of Russia’s fighting back to the military in recent weeks. The president shook up the command of Russia’s armed forces earlier this month by promoting Gen. Valery Gerasimov, in an apparent attempt to inject some momentum into Russia’s military strategy.

The recent shakeup has likely sidelined Wagner, according to the Institute for the Study of War.

“Putin’s decision to focus and rely on conventional Russian forces is marginalizing the Wagner Group and the siloviki faction that nevertheless continues to contribute to Russian war efforts in Ukraine,” the ISW stated in an assessment this week.

Gerasimov has begun his work by trying to improve the discipline of the armed forces in Russia, according to a British government intelligence assessment shared Monday.

“Since he took command, officers have been attempting to clamp down on non-regulation uniform, travel in civilian vehicles, the use of mobile phones, and non-standard haircuts,” the intelligence assessment said. “The measures have been met with skeptical feedback. However, some of the greatest derision has been reserved for attempts to improve the standard of troops’ shaving.”
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Ukraine update: Biden reportedly about to announce shipment of M1A2 Abrams to Ukraine

On Tuesday morning, The Wall Street Journal is reporting that the United States is “leaning” toward sending M1A2 main battle tanks Abrams tanks to Ukraine, with an announcement expected this week.

The announcement would reportedly come as part of a deal in which Germany would also send its Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine and would including Germany approving the release of Leopard tanks to be sent by other nations. The deal would break the deadlock created when Germany refused to release the Leopard tanks even after the U.K. announced that it was providing a company of its Challenger 2 main battle tanks to Ukraine.

The U.S. has previously been resistant to the idea of sending the Abrams, for a long series of reasons, including the difficulties in supporting the tank and its impact of Ukraine’s already burdened logistics. Pentagon officials have repeatedly stated that they feel the M1A2 isn’t well suited to Ukraine, for reasons ranging from the fuel to the long time needed to train on the vehicles to the lack of any nearby facilities to deal with major repairs.

However, Biden reportedly shifted his position following a Jan. 17 call to German German Chancellor Olaf Scholz. If sending the Abrams is the only way to break through the current roadblock, Biden appears ready to take that step.

At this point, the roll-out of new Western tanks in Ukraine is like one of those long-running “will they or won’t they” sitcoms. Except it’s not funny, and the frustration comes with a body count. Just like those sitcoms, it sure seemed like “will” was inevitable, but the “tease” was going on way, way too long.

On Monday evening, ABC News reported that twelve nations had joined together to create a pool of Leopard 2 tanks, with as many as 100 being made available to Ukraine. However, this agreement was made during the meeting at Ramstein Air Base last week, and wasn’t announced at the time because the group is still seeking Germany’s approval.
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BudmanTX

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Ukraine update: Biden reportedly about to announce shipment of M1A2 Abrams to Ukraine

On Tuesday morning, The Wall Street Journal is reporting that the United States is “leaning” toward sending M1A2 main battle tanks Abrams tanks to Ukraine, with an announcement expected this week.

The announcement would reportedly come as part of a deal in which Germany would also send its Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine and would including Germany approving the release of Leopard tanks to be sent by other nations. The deal would break the deadlock created when Germany refused to release the Leopard tanks even after the U.K. announced that it was providing a company of its Challenger 2 main battle tanks to Ukraine.

The U.S. has previously been resistant to the idea of sending the Abrams, for a long series of reasons, including the difficulties in supporting the tank and its impact of Ukraine’s already burdened logistics. Pentagon officials have repeatedly stated that they feel the M1A2 isn’t well suited to Ukraine, for reasons ranging from the fuel to the long time needed to train on the vehicles to the lack of any nearby facilities to deal with major repairs.

However, Biden reportedly shifted his position following a Jan. 17 call to German German Chancellor Olaf Scholz. If sending the Abrams is the only way to break through the current roadblock, Biden appears ready to take that step.
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i don't think this is gonna happen......Leopards are actually well suited for Ukraine, not the Abram's......simple cause of the fuel they use....one uses if i am right a JetA and it's a guzzler, while the other uses Deasil (sp) which is more widely available in Ukraine....
 

DIY-HP-LED

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i don't think this is gonna happen......Leopards are actually well suited for Ukraine, not the Abram's......simple cause of the fuel they use....one uses if i am right a JetA and it's a guzzler, while the other uses Deasil (sp) which is more widely available in Ukraine....
They could be confined as a reserve force in western Ukraine, west of the Dnieper River and close to Poland, where support will move from Germany. They can send a dozen like the Brits and keep them parked in defensive positions on the border with Belarus and north of Kyiv. A dozen in by rail and then swap them out for another dozen more fresh ones later when the heavy maintenance cycle comes up. That would be my thinking, no danger of them falling into Russian hands and rail transporting them from Poland to near their deployment points should not be an issue. They only need a token force and a dozen at a time will do, it is unlikely the Russians would attack in their direction!
 
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